Moultonborough Budget and Warrants town Meeting next week Tuesday and Saturday

John Mercier · 06-29-2022, 09:55 PM

Willful ignorance.

Descant · 06-30-2022, 12:49 AM

I miss the traditional Town/School meeting which was as much social as business. Our biggest was about 4500 people in three gyms/cafeteria with big screens and electronic interconnections. Now, with about 19,000 on the voter checklist, we get <100 at the deliberative session and 3500 who actually vote on the ballot day.
My big complaint with SB2 is the "Default budget" which goes into place if the voters reject the proposed budget. Many governing bodies are routinely accused of making the default budget so close to, or higher than, the proposed budget, that it doesn't matter which way you vote, there will be more spending. Let me add that meetings are televised now, and replayed, so we don't know how many actually watch, but they aren't in the room to discuss or vote on amendments to warrant articles.

Loub52 · 06-30-2022, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

Willful ignorance.

I hate to think that the electorate was ignorant in this case, but there’s probably not a better explanation for that vote. When a town adopts SB2, it’s voters assume greater responsibility for outcomes.

John Mercier · 06-30-2022, 07:24 PM

Willful.
Ignorance is the lack of knowledge.
Willful ignorance is ignoring that knowledge.

They knew what they were doing, but allowed their emotion to overcome their logic.

An example is less children in public school would result in lower school costs and less taxation. But we have long term data that lower pupil enrollments do not create lower school budgets.

Loub52 · 06-30-2022, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

Willful.
Ignorance is the lack of knowledge.
Willful ignorance is ignoring that knowledge.

They knew what they were doing, but allowed their emotion to overcome their logic.

An example is less children in public school would result in lower school costs and less taxation. But we have long term data that lower pupil enrollments do not create lower school budgets.

“Willful” is harsh. I sense a bias here.

John Mercier · 06-30-2022, 08:00 PM

Common term for it.
It is when fact has been presented and refuted for emotional bias.

Your example was they voted down something that logically they should not have. Thus emotion and a willingness to overlook the logic led to the ignorance; not that the knowledge was not available.

It happens in investing a lot.

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Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,414 Thanks: 1,366 Thanked 1,636 Times in 1,068 Posts	I miss the traditional Town/School meeting which was as much social as business. Our biggest was about 4500 people in three gyms/cafeteria with big screens and electronic interconnections. Now, with about 19,000 on the voter checklist, we get <100 at the deliberative session and 3500 who actually vote on the ballot day. My big complaint with SB2 is the "Default budget" which goes into place if the voters reject the proposed budget. Many governing bodies are routinely accused of making the default budget so close to, or higher than, the proposed budget, that it doesn't matter which way you vote, there will be more spending. Let me add that meetings are televised now, and replayed, so we don't know how many actually watch, but they aren't in the room to discuss or vote on amendments to warrant articles.

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06-30-2022, 07:24 PM	#4
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,479 Thanks: 3 Thanked 611 Times in 505 Posts	Willful. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. Willful ignorance is ignoring that knowledge. They knew what they were doing, but allowed their emotion to overcome their logic. An example is less children in public school would result in lower school costs and less taxation. But we have long term data that lower pupil enrollments do not create lower school budgets.

06-30-2022, 08:00 PM	#6
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,479 Thanks: 3 Thanked 611 Times in 505 Posts	Common term for it. It is when fact has been presented and refuted for emotional bias. Your example was they voted down something that logically they should not have. Thus emotion and a willingness to overlook the logic led to the ignorance; not that the knowledge was not available. It happens in investing a lot.