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[WinnisquamZ]

Must say over here on Winnisquam we have little of that stuff you discuss. We do have a yellow plane that practices takeoffs and landings that I enjoy seeing. The noise, little of it. Kayak a few days each week. Enjoyable. Don’t get the town visiting you each have, but I enjoy the peacefulness. No boats in sight as I write this note


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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Must say over here on Winnisquam we have little of that stuff you discuss. We do have a yellow plane that practices takeoffs and landings that I enjoy seeing. The noise, little of it. Kayak a few days each week. Enjoyable. Don’t get the town visiting you each have, but I enjoy the peacefulness. No boats in sight as I write this note


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The same in the north of Winni.

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[Juiced06GTO]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

The same in the north of Winni.

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Stop telling everyone how nice it is over on the north side! I need another two years of no daycare payments before I can snag a place up there and they'll all be gone!

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Juiced06GTO

Stop telling everyone how nice it is over on the north side! I need another two years of no daycare payments before I can snag a place up there and they'll all be gone!

It'll be interesting to see what the market does—there's a place on Hanson Cove that was listed for $940k, dropped to $900, and is now under contract. Was up for quite a bit, though, compared to last summer when things were barely listed before being bought for $xxx over asking.

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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

It'll be interesting to see what the market does—there's a place on Hanson Cove that was listed for $940k, dropped to $900, and is now under contract. Was up for quite a bit, though, compared to last summer when things were barely listed before being bought for $xxx over asking.

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Can’t believe there’s a place in Acadia that’s listed for just under $300k. Is that realistic, Think?


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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

Can’t believe there’s a place in Acadia that’s listed for just under $300k. Is that realistic, Think?


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The last one sold for $225k and the one before that was ~$215k. Neither came with anything extra (golf cart, kayaks, etc.), so I'm not totally surprised to see the newest listing—the only current unit available.

I'm not confident it'll get $300k given that it went to market—the others were sold long before being listed and anything in the $225k or under area would be snatched up by a handful of current Arcadia owners or their friends/family. I think the seller was hoping someone waiting in line would just go for it at the beginning of summer.

As an owner, I'd like to say I'm happy to see values up, but I'm really not. The chances of my own children affordably buying there have plummeted this last half-decade—in reality, Arcadia is among the last of the associations accessible to many Americans.

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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

As an owner, I'd like to say I'm happy to see values up, but I'm really not. The chances of my own children affordably buying there have plummeted this last half-decade—in reality, Arcadia is among the last of the associations accessible to many Americans.

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Exactly. For people who have homes they love, rising values are a gain that is not really a gain.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

I just received a PM from Fritoman, who claims that my being on the forum is a big problem, and he has suggested that I return to where I came from……so does anyone want to volunteer to help me pack up?

[Descant]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

I just received a PM from Fritoman, who claims that my being on the forum is a big problem, and he has suggested that I return to where I came from……so does anyone want to volunteer to help me pack up?

I'm sure you've mentioned it, but your profile doesn't show where you are now or where you came from, so this is a tough choice. As far as I can tell, "We" all think you're just fine as is, where is.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

I just received a PM from Fritoman, who claims that my being on the forum is a big problem, and he has suggested that I return to where I came from……so does anyone want to volunteer to help me pack up?

From the looks of it, Fritoman = Nitrovandam and the other crazy usernames. What a sad, sad dude if so.

I appreciate you, Sue!

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[Sue Doe-Nym]

I appreciate your kind words very much. My purpose in posting was to call him out publicly for abusing private messaging by sending such a cowardly message to a forum member. I think that most of us appreciate robust debate on topics, whether or not we agree with everyone. A lot of valuable information is shared by many.

[mowtorman]

In cyberspace you can be anyone at any time. Same example as before..... what one person considers relevant and reasonable another takes it as reason to accuse or attack.

Buttons get pushed on many topics on forums. If you make public statements you have to expect pushback if only for kicks for some, or they bait hoping to engage the other person. Happens on FPF all the time.

In terms of this post...the content is mostly milk toast I don't see much to be offended by except maybe the word "stupid".

I've learned a lot over time about many things on this forum. I hope the bad vibes roll off like water on a duck's back. Keep posting. Like many on the forum Here isn't where you are and maybe Here is where you have to go back to?

May the Fman will help you and maybe us understand his position and what he found disagreeable.

No one forces us to read or post anything. I can go months without even looking at this forum, just saying.

Best wishes. If I want bad news I just turn on the World News.

[John Mercier]

Her position is too conservative for him...

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

I just received a PM from Fritoman, who claims that my being on the forum is a big problem, and he has suggested that I return to where I came from……so does anyone want to volunteer to help me pack up?

Don’t worry about it one bit Sue! You are one of the nicest posters on this forum! I enjoy reading your post and insight on the many topics you have replied to!

I too have received a few “nasty-grams” through this forum over the years and is one of the reasons I took a break for a couple years. People who send these messages are most likely teenagers or someone with no life living in their mothers basement and have nothing better to do with themselves!

Stay just the way you are!

Dan

[FlyingScot]

Hi Sue,

You're a great member, thanks for calling out this jerk.

I wish I could say that I'm surprised, but Fman's posts made it clear that he is one of a series of short time members, or more likely a long time member who cycles through user names, who is destructive and should be banned.

We're with you!

FS

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Don’t worry about it one bit Sue! You are one of the nicest posters on this forum! I enjoy reading your post and insight on the many topics you have replied to!

I too have received a few “nasty-grams” through this forum over the years and is one of the reasons I took a break for a couple years. People who send these messages are most likely teenagers or someone with no life living in their mothers basement and have nothing better to do with themselves!

Stay just the way you are!

Dan

Thank you, Dan….FS also. We all missed you and your contributions while you were “on leave” . There are so many smart and helpful, even funny members to add to the discussions, and we have been bailed out many times by members’ practical solutions.
Anyhow, welcome back!
Sue

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

I just received a PM from Fritoman, who claims that my being on the forum is a big problem, and he has suggested that I return to where I came from……so does anyone want to volunteer to help me pack up?

WOW! Sorry to hear that! Totally unacceptable!

Woodsy

[tis]

Why do people love to attack and argue so much? I hate it. That's why when I make a comment, I seldom continue arguing, because I have better things to do than spend hours with people who won't change their minds anyway -so why bother. Ignore it Sue. I admire that you don't give in. Some people can't handle that.

[dickiej]

Here’s why…. Former Facebook exec: "I think we have created tools that are ripping apart the social fabric of how society works. The short-term, dopamine-driven feedback loops we’ve created are destroying how society works. No civil discourse, no cooperation; misinformation, mistruth. You are being programmed

[BroadHopper]

Lifetime shorefront residence of the lake, I can tell you my observance. Early years before McMansions and Mcyachts, boaters and landowners had a peaceful existence. Landowners accept the fact the boaters have the right to common sense use of the lake. Watersports at sunrise and sunset were considered normal. Small loud race boats were also the norm. A loud rafting party that pops up on weekends was also tolerated. We accept that as part of the use for the right to live on the lake. Even neighborhoods had block parties where we get to socialize and know each other. The kids get to play outside together. During the waterski racing era, Neighborhoods would form a race team to participate. Allowing distant neighbors to know each other.

Today this is all gone. A great reason for the family to move to Winnisquam.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Lifetime shorefront residence of the lake, I can tell you my observance. Early years before McMansions and Mcyachts, boaters and landowners had a peaceful existence. Landowners accept the fact the boaters have the right to common sense use of the lake. Watersports at sunrise and sunset were considered normal. Small loud race boats were also the norm. A loud rafting party that pops up on weekends was also tolerated. We accept that as part of the use for the right to live on the lake. Even neighborhoods had block parties where we get to socialize and know each other. The kids get to play outside together. During the waterski racing era, Neighborhoods would form a race team to participate. Allowing distant neighbors to know each other.

Today this is all gone. A great reason for the family to move to Winnisquam.

I agree with this sentiment in general. But with all due respect, you seem to have noted only one side of the debate. Certain watersports lovers AND certain McMansion owners have both been abusive and caused corrosion to both the lake and society.

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Lifetime shorefront residence of the lake, I can tell you my observance. Early years before McMansions and Mcyachts, boaters and landowners had a peaceful existence. Landowners accept the fact the boaters have the right to common sense use of the lake. Watersports at sunrise and sunset were considered normal. Small loud race boats were also the norm. A loud rafting party that pops up on weekends was also tolerated. We accept that as part of the use for the right to live on the lake. Even neighborhoods had block parties where we get to socialize and know each other. The kids get to play outside together. During the waterski racing era, Neighborhoods would form a race team to participate. Allowing distant neighbors to know each other.

Today this is all gone. A great reason for the family to move to Winnisquam.

Better make your move, here on the eastern side we just had two tear downs sell for $1.2 each! And a record sale for Winnisquam at $3.4 mill for a 4k square foot home. All under agreement in a single weekend showing


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[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Lifetime shorefront residence of the lake, I can tell you my observance. Early years before McMansions and Mcyachts, boaters and landowners had a peaceful existence. Landowners accept the fact the boaters have the right to common sense use of the lake. Watersports at sunrise and sunset were considered normal. Small loud race boats were also the norm. A loud rafting party that pops up on weekends was also tolerated. We accept that as part of the use for the right to live on the lake. Even neighborhoods had block parties where we get to socialize and know each other. The kids get to play outside together. During the waterski racing era, Neighborhoods would form a race team to participate. Allowing distant neighbors to know each other.

Today this is all gone. A great reason for the family to move to Winnisquam.

Good post! I do agree with most of what you said...

As someone who remembers the lake as a kid in the 60's and 70's, waterskiing and louder race boats (now called classics!) were definitely more prevalent and totally accepted back then. They were fun to watch and would bring in crowds of people as spectators.

You would NEVER hear anyone complain about water skiers or those loud beautiful classic race boats as they were a sight to see and watch!

There was also a very active runway with planes taking off on Wolfeboro neck and those planes were loud but no one ever complained about them actually quite the opposite most would love to see them land and takeoff!

Back then there were no "wake boats", no 1000 watt stereo systems and the lake is much busier with boaters from all over New England. Add this to a much less tolerant and disrespectful society and you have what we have today...Unfortunately this was created by us....

Dan

[Winilyme]

Good old soft foam earplugs will block out nearly all of that early morning noise. I'll occasionally resort to these if I'm planning to sleep in on a Saturday or Sunday. Problem solved.

Regarding early morning construction, one day this week at 6:30 in the morning, trucks were roaring by headed to a construction site 1/4 mile up the street. Soon as they got there you could hear the loud beep-beep-beeps as these vehicles maneuvered in reverse (all well before 7:00 AM). I find that sound to be particularly grating. I wonder if with all the smart camera/laser technology these days, they could eliminate that annoying back-up alert in favor of a vehicle mounted sensor array that would immediately shut off the vehicle when detecting a person in close proximity to it; not unlike the technology being employed for self-driving vehicles.

[TiltonBB]

The technology would have to be changed.

Many trucks back up to things like loading docks or concrete trucks backing up to a concrete pump so the back up sensors like what is in cars would not work.

I shut off that "safety" item in my SUV. I tried to back a trailer into my driveway and it slammed on the brakes, 3 times. After that same thing happened to me 4 different times I disabled it. It doesn't gently halt the vehicle, it is so abrupt it feels like you hit something.

I figured I have gone all these years without it and now I am closer to heart attack age. I want to eliminate anything that may cause one!

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Lifetime shorefront residence of the lake, I can tell you my observance. Early years before McMansions and Mcyachts, boaters and landowners had a peaceful existence. Landowners accept the fact the boaters have the right to common sense use of the lake. Watersports at sunrise and sunset were considered normal. Small loud race boats were also the norm. A loud rafting party that pops up on weekends was also tolerated. We accept that as part of the use for the right to live on the lake. Even neighborhoods had block parties where we get to socialize and know each other. The kids get to play outside together. During the waterski racing era, Neighborhoods would form a race team to participate. Allowing distant neighbors to know each other.

Today this is all gone. A great reason for the family to move to Winnisquam.

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Good post! I do agree with most of what you said...

As someone who remembers the lake as a kid in the 60's and 70's, waterskiing and louder race boats (now called classics!) were definitely more prevalent and totally accepted back then. They were fun to watch and would bring in crowds of people as spectators.

You would NEVER hear anyone complain about water skiers or those loud beautiful classic race boats as they were a sight to see and watch!

There was also a very active runway with planes taking off on Wolfeboro neck and those planes were loud but no one ever complained about them actually quite the opposite most would love to see them land and takeoff!

Back then there were no "wake boats", no 1000 watt stereo systems and the lake is much busier with boaters from all over New England. Add this to a much less tolerant and disrespectful society and you have what we have today...Unfortunately this was created by us....

Dan

Well I never lived on Winnipesaukee but I did stay there every summer as a kid in the 1960s and spent a lot of time there all through the 1970s to today and there are some additional points I feel need to be mentioned.

First and foremost the volume of traffic is incomparable to the past, I could have never imagined all the boats you see today. Some days in the summer in the 1960s I would wait long periods without seeing anyone and was thrilled to have a boat pass by the docks on Echo Point.

The boats have also gotten bigger, MUCH bigger, and MUCH more destructive. The Wake/Surf boats are truly an abomination when used anywhere other than the Broads. I would not be a happy home owner to have them circling in front of my home blasting concert level music any time of the day.

Then I also feel obliged to say there is a difference in the quality of people at the lake these days. Way too many "entitled" Jersey Shore types, arrogant, mouthy, vulgar, pushy, the world is theres get out of there way attitudes everywhere. In the 1960s and 70s you had much more modesty, respectful, friendly, low impact fellow visitors.

Now I feel 100% certain that the dug in old folks who were also here in the 1960's probably felt similar about the people who were summer guests and brought there above the waterline ski boats and "FM" radios and Bbq grills and kids!

But the difference between the impact of summer traffic in the 1960s feels microscopic compared to the what we see today. Some days its like a bad reality TV show. So much so I have flat out refused to come to the lake on any Saturday in the summer for the last many years.

So while I totally agree that Winnipesaukee was ALWAYS a place were there was active speed boats, water sports, summer visitors, etc, the differences is it used to be X on a scale of 1 - 10, now its not even at 11, its completely off the scale. When you boat up to Wolfeboro or Alton on a weekday and have to wait 20 minutes to get on a dock on a Wednesday, and you are fighting 30' plus boats and giant pontoon boats and Wake boats with giant towers you cant see whats behind them, that a lot of different traffic than you saw as a kid here in the 1960's!

Still love it and come as often as I can, but I have much less desire to buy a Winnipesaukee home now than even 25 years ago,,,

Maybe mine are different colored lenses than others, we each have our own perspective and opinion and thats mine.

ATB

[fatlazyless]

Big semi trucks towing 53' van trailers and most all big trucks do NOT use a back-up camera and dashboard screen like in a car. The driver uses the mirrors attached to the two doors and that's what they use.

And, the back-up, reverse warning sound cannot be turned off.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Well I never lived on Winnipesaukee but I did stay there every summer as a kid in the 1960s and spent a lot of time there all through the 1970s to today and there are some additional points I feel need to be mentioned.

First and foremost the volume of traffic is incomparable to the past, I could have never imagined all the boats you see today. Some days in the summer in the 1960s I would wait long periods without seeing anyone and was thrilled to have a boat pass by the docks on Echo Point.

The boats have also gotten bigger, MUCH bigger, and MUCH more destructive. The Wake/Surf boats are truly an abomination when used anywhere other than the Broads. I would not be a happy home owner to have them circling in front of my home blasting concert level music any time of the day.

Then I also feel obliged to say there is a difference in the quality of people at the lake these days. Way too many "entitled" Jersey Shore types, arrogant, mouthy, vulgar, pushy, the world is theres get out of there way attitudes everywhere. In the 1960s and 70s you had much more modesty, respectful, friendly, low impact fellow visitors.

Now I feel 100% certain that the dug in old folks who were also here in the 1960's probably felt similar about the people who were summer guests and brought there above the waterline ski boats and "FM" radios and Bbq grills and kids!

But the difference between the impact of summer traffic in the 1960s feels microscopic compared to the what we see today. Some days its like a bad reality TV show. So much so I have flat out refused to come to the lake on any Saturday in the summer for the last many years.

So while I totally agree that Winnipesaukee was ALWAYS a place were there was active speed boats, water sports, summer visitors, etc, the differences is it used to be X on a scale of 1 - 10, now its not even at 11, its completely off the scale. When you boat up to Wolfeboro or Alton on a weekday and have to wait 20 minutes to get on a dock on a Wednesday, and you are fighting 30' plus boats and giant pontoon boats and Wake boats with giant towers you cant see whats behind them, that a lot of different traffic than you saw as a kid here in the 1960's!

Still love it and come as often as I can, but I have much less desire to buy a Winnipesaukee home now than even 25 years ago,,,

Maybe mine are different colored lenses than others, we each have our own perspective and opinion and thats mine.

ATB

Not really. By the 60s, we had already had a rush of non-natives buying into NH at a very flush rate.

The Greatest Generation would have noticed the Boomers becoming ''woke'', and the change in social, economic, and political factors that they brought about... but overall non-natives are not more likely to have ill character than natives.

The Greatest Generations was more ''conform to the norm'' than the Boomers ''Live Free or Die''.

And I think it is a bit too soon to determine whether the Millennials will continue the course of the Boomers or return to the more conservative past of the Greatest.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Not really. By the 60s, we had already had a rush of non-natives buying into NH at a very flush rate.

The Greatest Generation would have noticed the Boomers becoming ''woke'', and the change in social, economic, and political factors that they brought about... but overall non-natives are not more likely to have ill character than natives.

The Greatest Generations was more ''conform to the norm'' than the Boomers ''Live Free or Die''.

And I think it is a bit too soon to determine whether the Millennials will continue the course of the Boomers or return to the more conservative past of the Greatest.

As you say, Not Really, the Millennials are pretty much fixed in their ways, I meet all our new employees during orientation for the last many years and check in on many of them over time, and have seen the drastic and disappointing change in the workplace over the last 15 years. This is a very frightening group from my seat. If their attitudes and ways persisted I would truly fear for the future.

The saving grace is the next group behind them. The kids not yet in the workforce are a different group again and at the moment I like what I see. They question and challenge things in a productive way. Unfortunately they are being fed so much misinformation from all directions, I have no idea how they will sort our the truth from the rubbish. But so far they are only sampling but not drinking the kool-aid and they are looking for their own answers and thats GREAT.

The future generations should not be "conform to the norm" nor should they be completely unbending "live free or die" they need to write a new standard that protects the basic standards our predecessors fought so hard for, but embraces future realities.

The future should be eyes open, not rah rah go solar - EV - 100% organic - etc, but rather, what are the actual cradle to grave issues of concern and legitimate pros and cons of any change. Strip off the hype of marketing and those who just seek to simply move money from one pocket to another, and push the ball forward in a well thought-out and actually informed way. Thats the future we need!

We have all been feed hype our whole lives and accepted the marketing as truth, when in fact its more absolute nonsense than fact. And the next batch beyond the Millennials will hopefully ignore the BS and demand facts and make truly informed decisions, and when they are wrong and make normal human mistakes, they will adapt and over come rather than waste time endlessly point fingers of blame in all directions.

Well one can only hope ;-)

[Garcia]

It's interesting to hear criticism of the millennials (disclaimer - I am Generation X and my kids are Gen Z) without the same criticism of either the Boomers or in fewer cases Generation X - the parents that raised them.

What I find striking in regards to the changes in the lake over the 50+ years I have been blessed to enjoy it, is the growing size and number of boats. I grew up with anywhere from a 15-22 foot boat (currently have a 17) as the main boat to get back and forth the the island, fish, waterski, and just explore the lake. Now it seems like 25+ is the norm.

In terms of obnoxious behavior, I think it always existed, but with more people out on the water on a given day, there are more opportunities to come into contact with the obnoxious, entitled ones. And, being in crowded situations, of which there are more of today than a couple decades ago, can bring out the worst in people.

More often than not I am a "weekend warrior" and thank my lucky stars every time I pull up to the dock on the island that 100 years ago, a family member had the foresight to build a cottage on a small piece of land that 5 generations and counting enjoy.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by Garcia

It's interesting to hear criticism of the millennials without the same criticism of either the Boomers or in fewer cases Generation X - the parents that raised them.

What I find striking in regards to the changes in the lake over the 50+ years I have been blessed to enjoy it, is the growing size and number of boats. I grew up with anywhere from a 15-22 foot boat (currently have a 17) as the main boat to get back and forth the the island, fish, waterski, and just explore the lake. Now it seems like 25+ is the norm.

In terms of obnoxious behavior, I think it always existed, but with more people out on the water on a given day, there are more opportunities to come into contact with the obnoxious, entitled ones. And, being in crowded situations, of which there are more of today than a couple decades ago, can bring out the worst in people.

More often than not I am a "weekend warrior" and thank my lucky stars every time I pull up to the dock on the island that 100 years ago, a family member had the foresight to build a cottage on a small piece of land that 5 generations and counting enjoy.

I'm on board with all you say! Including the comments about criticism of Boomers and Gen X & Y, they all have problems, but they are no longer the future so I just didnt waste any time on them or should I say on us ;-)

I am keenly aware of my shortcomings and of my parents and those who followed. From the late 1970's through today we have fallen into a cultural rut. Advertising and political hype have replaced actual fact. Media has replaced journalism, truth is what you can post on the interweb and anyone will believe. Rights and justice are infinitely variable to suit the preference of those in control of the matter.

And though I see this as a dark period overall, I also see a reset on the horizon. I do believe the future gen will expect and demand and produce a better balance. If I fear anything of the future generations, its the total lack of connection to the skills that built our physical world. Gone are the tradesmen who were actually knowledgeable and took pride in what they built and repaired. Todays youth can set up a cell phone before a boomer can unfold the instructions. But ask that same youth to change a door knob and they dont know a chisel from a file and cant even figure out how to hold the tools let alone use them. They are actually mostly not interested in classic skills but are completely in sync with all the latest and greatest technology.

Its will be interesting to see this situation get resolved. I'm sure it will happen, but maybe not as we might expect.

Only time will tell, and I feel 100% certain this is a repeating cycle that has been experienced countless times over the last few hundred years ;-)

[John Mercier]

I notice that they are more interested in the classical skills associated with homesteading and cottagecore... so must be a city thing you're seeing.