And just like that BOOM

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

It doesn't relate because NH, and the Lakes Region, doesn't have a particular history of violence; firearm-related or not.

Clearly you live in a different New Hampshire, or dont ever watch the news or read a news paper as the knew New Hampshire I know is just as plagued by violence as the rest of the country! Up to and including the couple that booby trapped their property with bombs! Almost every day some snippet from NH makes it across the border to the MA news about some killing, stabbing, kidnapping, assault, drug fueled disaster like the truck the ran head on into the motorcycles, ETC, Etc, etc.

I would be interested to find the NH that you live in that is immune to violence, it must be an interesting and really different place from the NH I know, which is a really great place. Its just not violence free, but why the NH I know is such a great place is that "its" citizens live with eyes open and take note of whats going on in the rest of the country and that allows them to make informed decisions in order to attempt to avoid some of those problems. And because they are informed and discuss matters of concern, its a pretty good place, the NH I know.

I guess just like there can be 2 different perspectives on any matter, there can be 2 different New Hampshires, one with violence and one that is violence free because they dont discuss matters outside their region, who would have guessed it was that simple ;-)

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Clearly you live in a different New Hampshire, or dont ever watch the news or read a news paper as the knew New Hampshire I know is just as plagued by violence as the rest of the country! Up to and including the couple that booby trapped their property with bombs! Almost every day some snippet from NH makes it across the border to the MA news about some killing, stabbing, kidnapping, assault, drug fueled disaster like the truck the ran head on into the motorcycles, ETC, Etc, etc.

I would interested to find the NH that you live in that is immune to violence, it must be an interesting and really different place from the NH I know, which is a really great place. Its just not violence free, but why the NH I know is such a great place is that "its" citizens live with eyes open and take note of whats going on in the rest of the country and that allows them to make informed decisions in order to attempt to avoid some of those problems. And because they are informed and discuss matters of concern, its a pretty good place, the NH I know.

I guess just like there can be 2 different perspectives on any matter, there can be 2 different New Hampshires, one with violence and one that is violence free because they dont discuss matters outside their region, who would have guessed it was that simple ;-)

Yes, I think you and I live in very different New Hampshires.

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[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Yes, I think you and I live in very different New Hampshires.

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Sorry not clear, do you live in the violence free NH or the regular one?

Just checking, and hoping to find the violence free one, its damn elusive,,, The news keeps showing all the drug problems and violence in the regular NH. Now that one is still far better than say California or New York or Chicago, but is just not violence free.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Sorry not clear, do you live in the violence free NH or the regular one?

Just checking, and hoping to find the violence free one, its damn elusive,,, The news keeps showing all the drug problems and violence in the regular NH. Now that one is still far better than say California or New York or Chicago, but is just not violence free.

No place is violence free—literally no place, as violence is as human as peace.

I live in the NH that repeatedly ranks—as most of New England—in the top safest states in America.

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[Major]

I find it rich that the same people who complained about me and my comments to the Moderator are such advocates for the free exchange of ideas and healthy debate. I tried to support my positions and arguments with data and facts, with a sense of humor. The Winnipesaukee Forum is littered with former conservative contributors who were "politely" asked not to share their ideas with the sensitive masses. I can name a dozen or so contributors like me who were asked not to contribute. Name one contributor on the left side of the aisle who was asked to leave, let alone to tone it down.

Anyway, I agree that this Forum should try to be apolitical. However, it is apparent to me that one side gets to pepper the Forum with comments about climate change, the flu, and other social issues while the other side is relegated to sit on the sidelines and told to maintain silence. I shouldn't be surprised, news and social media are consistently trying to silence the right, why should the Winnipesaukee Forum be any different.

Anyway, I still enjoy reading the Forum and find it helpful for boating issues and restaurant reviews/comments. Stay well.

P.S. I still believe the 45 MPH speed limit on Winnipesaukee is STUPID!!

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Major

I find it rich that the same people who complained about me and my comments to the Moderator are such advocates for the free exchange of ideas and healthy debate. I tried to support my positions and arguments with data and facts, with a sense of humor. The Winnipesaukee Forum is littered with former conservative contributors who were "politely" asked not to share their ideas with the sensitive masses. I can name a dozen or so contributors like me who were asked not to contribute. Name one contributor on the left side of the aisle who was asked to leave, let alone to tone it down.

Anyway, I agree that this Forum should try to be apolitical. However, it is apparent to me that one side gets to pepper the Forum with comments about climate change, the flu, and other social issues while the other side is relegated to sit on the sidelines and told to maintain silence. I shouldn't be surprised, news and social media are consistently trying to silence the right, why should the Winnipesaukee Forum be any different.

Anyway, I still enjoy reading the Forum and find it helpful for boating issues and restaurant reviews/comments. Stay well.

P.S. I still believe the 45 MPH speed limit on Winnipesaukee is STUPID!!

Hey, buddy!

I think there's a distinct difference between the (common) commentary from "the left" and "the right."

Case in point: Sailin, clearly a climate-change hippie, discusses her points and the issues calmly and reasonably and kindly whereas the comments in question were attacking the forum for being communist, having agendas, etc.

In fact, of ALL the forum members, I'm probably the most aggressive "liberal" in my attacks on crappy and biased sources, but you and I and Dan and Hillcountry, etc. still converse reasonably.

As I say in the town forum I moderate: it's not what you say, it's how you say it.

Just my take.

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[Major]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Hey, buddy!

I think there's a distinct difference between the (common) commentary from "the left" and "the right."

Case in point: Sailin, clearly a climate-change hippie, discusses her points and the issues calmly and reasonably and kindly whereas the comments in question were attacking the forum for being communist, having agendas, etc.

In fact, of ALL the forum members, I'm probably the most aggressive "liberal" in my attacks on crappy and biased sources, but you and I and Dan and Hillcountry, etc. still converse reasonably.

As I say in the town forum I moderate: it's not what you say, it's how you say it.

Just my take.

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I respectfully disagree about Sailin. Case in point she just accused me of propagating a "criminal" position. That is hyperbolic and somewhat crazy.

Anyway, I never considered you "left" although I know you are. I always enjoyed our interactions. I think it's because you don't take yourself too seriously. Stay well, my friend.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Major

I respectfully disagree about Sailin. Case in point she just accused me of propagating a "criminal" position. That is hyperbolic and somewhat crazy.

Anyway, I never considered you "left" although I know you are. I always enjoyed our interactions. I think it's because you don't take yourself too seriously. Stay well, my friend.

Ummm...yeah, Sailin kinda blew that one up. Welp, on to the next thread!

Can't we all just get along?!

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[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Can't we all just get along?!

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Vigorous debate is actually a really good thing, its how we inform and educate each other about both fact and opinion.

What should be of concern are personal attacks, and too often that is a product of vigorous debate. Few are totally immune from it and some go for the personal attack just as soon as possible.

Being a fair moderator is a tough job to be sure, its really hard to totally leave your own opinion in a separate box.

I think they do a better job here than many forums, but there is no such thing and total impartiality.

That said, your message is worth saying ;-)

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Ummm...yeah, Sailin kinda blew that one up

I dare you to respond civilly to Major's views on the pandemic. It can't be done without violating the facts and your own intelligence and moral compass. The man is a raging lunatic who lives in a nonparallel universe.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

I dare you to respond civilly to Major's views on the pandemic. It can't be done without violating the facts and your own intelligence and moral compass. The man is a raging lunatic who lives in a nonparallel universe.

And this is why we can't have discussions like this here. Personal attack, name calling, this post has it all. Please stop.


Time to blow this thread up too Mr Webmaster.

For the record, I love well reasoned civil discussion of these important discussions.

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by ITD

And this is why we can't have discussions like this here. Personal attack, name calling, this post has it all. Please stop. Time to blow this thread up too Mr Webmaster. For the record, I love well reasoned civil discussion of these important discussions.

Oh come on, where's your sense of humor? When people turn themselves into a caricature it's hard to not poke fun at them.

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by Major

Name one contributor on the left side of the aisle who was asked to leave, let alone to tone it down.

Some of my left-leaning posts or threads were shut down. I accept that.

Originally Posted by Major

It is apparent to me that one side gets to pepper the Forum with comments about climate change, the flu, and other social issues while the other side is relegated to sit on the sidelines and told to maintain silence.

You made dozens of posts claiming that there was no Covid pandemic. Since then, 6.37 million people have died globally, including 1.02 million people in the U.S. There is wide agreement that those figures are greatly understated. The U.S. has 4.25% of the world's population, but it has had 16% of the world's Covid deaths. In other words, four times more Americans have died than should have by population. Your deranged posts had no basis in fact and were close to criminally dangerous. It's unfortunate that you stayed in that discussion as long as you did.

[Major]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Some of my left-leaning posts or threads were shut down. I accept that.

You made dozens of posts claiming that there was no Covid pandemic. Since then, 6.37 million people have died globally, including 1.02 million people in the U.S. There is wide agreement that those figures are greatly understated. The U.S. has 4.25% of the world's population, but it has had 16% of the world's Covid deaths. In other words, four times more Americans have died than should have by population. Your deranged posts had no basis in fact and were close to criminally dangerous. It's unfortunate that you stayed in that discussion as long as you did.

This is patently wrong. I supported my posts with data originally from Worldometer and then from Alex Berenson's books about the flu. Just got done reading Robert Kennedy, Jr.'s book. You should educate yourself and read it. Maybe you have but don't understand statistics. I am not sure.

I am sticking to my guns. The flu was very dangerous to those who were already really sick or really old or both. (Average age of COVID-related deaths is 83; average number of co-morbidities is 4.) I never said it wasn't dangerous to some people or that it wasn't contagious. However, there was no reason for our government to shut down our economy and essentially our country for this contagion. My son lost his job because of the government's overreaction -- shut down his industry. The damage caused to him by being unemployed hoping for his job to come back is difficult to gauge, but it exists. Fortunately, he pulled himself up and got a good job and is doing well. But I can assure you there was damage.

And the kicker is, none of the responses worked -- vaccines, social distancing, masks, lockdowns. NONE. The flu progressed as flus progress.
Read some books, educate yourself. Read about the vaccine and how dangerous it is with respect to well-known vaccines. Especially for young people, who don't die from the disease anyway. Read about how our government agencies get rich on vaccines but not well-known, widely accepted therapeutics, such as hydrocloroquine and ivermectin. Read about how our government had the same response with HIV and frittered away more than a Trillion Dollars. (We are no closer to an AIDS vaccine than we were 35 years ago. Same with covid.) Stop responding to issues with feelings. You are not the authority on anything. At least I recognize there are two sides to every issue. You don't. That's why you went running to Don to complain.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Major

This is patently wrong. I supported my posts with data originally from Worldometer and then from Alex Berenson's books about the flu. Just got done reading Robert Kennedy, Jr.'s book. You should educate yourself and read it. Maybe you have but don't understand statistics. I am not sure.

Ummm...not to put too fine a point on it--but are you aware that Robert Kennedy is an anti-vaxxer? I do not mean covid denier (like you), or anti-covid-vaccine-for-political-purposes-guy, like some others on this forum. I mean a full-on anti vaccination whack job. If you think the world would be a better place without vaccines for polio, measles, mumps, etc--he's your guy!

Here are links from both the left and the right for those who would like to learn more about Kennedy:

https://nypost.com/2022/02/02/robert...-him-millions/

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021...icon-nightmare

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Ummm...not to put too fine a point on it--but are you aware that Robert Kennedy is an anti-vaxxer? I do not mean covid denier (like you), or anti-covid-vaccine-for-political-purposes-guy, like some others on this forum. I mean a full-on anti vaccination whack job. If you think the world would be a better place without vaccines for polio, measles, mumps, etc--he's your guy!

It's hard to understand how Robert Kennedy went off the rails to such an extent that his family denounced him in an editorial they published in the New York Times.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

No place is violence free—literally no place, as violence is as human as peace.

I live in the NH that repeatedly ranks—as most of New England—in the top safest states in America.

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I totally agree with you, but the statement was made by our oracle that the lakes region doesnt have a history of violence; firearm-related or not, and its misleading. The lakes region has its fair share of violence. Just stop and talk to any Laconia police office and tell him they dont have any particular violence problems to deal with and you might get an earful.

Its a really great place, just not violence free, well unless you dont count child molestation and kiddy porn as violent crimes, oh and all the other items in the Laconia police log,,,

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

I totally agree with you, but the statement was made by our oracle that the lakes region doesnt have a history of violence; firearm-related or not, and its misleading. The lakes region has its fair share of violence. Just stop and talk to any Laconia police office and tell him they dont have any particular violence problems to deal with and you might get an earful.

Its a really great place, just not violence free, well unless you dont count child molestation and kiddy porn as violent crimes, oh and all the other items in the Laconia police log,,,

Do you have a link of either of those crimes being stopped by a bystander using a firearm?

Not relevant.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Do you have a link of either of those crimes being stopped by a bystander using a firearm?

Not relevant.

Just a quick reality check, are you now correcting your statement that the Lakes Region has no particular violent crime problems?

And to actually answer your question (wouldnt want it to go unanswered)

NO, the crime wasnt stopped, it happened and those children suffered and will be scared for life.

Maybe if a passer by had been armed, and saw what was going on and was brave enough to do something, it could have been stopped. Now wouldnt that have been a better outcome???

Well at least that ties the conversation to the Lakes Region,,, Sad it had to be about child molestation that actually occurred right in our playground of Winnipesaukee.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Just a quick reality check, are you now correcting your statement that the Lakes Region has no particular violent crime problems?

And to actually answer your question (wouldnt want it to go unanswered)

NO, the crime wasnt stopped, it happened and those children suffered and will be scared for life.

Maybe if a passer by had been armed, and saw what was going on and was brave enough to do something, it could have been stopped. Now wouldnt that have been a better outcome???

Well at least that ties the conversation to the Lakes Region,,, Sad it had to be about child molestation that actually occurred right in our playground of Winnipesaukee.

Not at all. Reread the post... we do not have a particular history of violence.
*especially great or intense is the defiinition... and our area fits that definition.

I am pointing out that you are trying to deflect to save face... as there is no reason for the discussion other than a political philosophy that has not abject relevance to either Lake Winnipesaukee or the Lakes Region.

You are simply way off subject on the basis of the forum.

[Woodsy]

This forum has always tended to avoid political hot potatoes! Those discussions usually degenerate quickly into uncivil discourse. I know to some of the newcomers it seems a bit like censorship... but I assure you the webmaster doesn't choose sides.

One just has to peruse the great speed limit debates... a division STILL felt on this forum and the lake.

Woodsy

[winniwannabe]

How 'bout them Red Sox!! Implosion ! Time to move on here

[Newbiesaukee]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

This forum has always tended to avoid political hot potatoes! Those discussions usually degenerate quickly into uncivil discourse. I know to some of the newcomers it seems a bit like censorship... but I assure you the webmaster doesn't choose sides.

One just has to peruse the great speed limit debates... a division STILL felt on this forum and the lake.

Woodsy

Agree, but what I do not understand is that the “disrupters” are emphatically NOT newcomers and perfectly well know the webmaster’s policy and the practice on the Forum. Why this and why now? The last question is rhetorical and I won’t further add to the disruption.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Yes, I think you and I live in very different New Hampshires.

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He doesn't live in NH.