Trespassers on Bear today

[Descant]

I'm not very clever about some of this so I couldn't make the links work. Where on FB? Why would they paddle all the way around the island to get to your place specifically?

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Descant

I'm not very clever about some of this so I couldn't make the links work. Where on FB? Why would they paddle all the way around the island to get to your place specifically?

They didn’t come to my place specifically (as an intended destination), but mine was their pit stop of choice today. They paddled in, took a walk around, pissed in front of my camera, lounged out on my deck, and boasted about how they wouldn’t get caught.

They were spotted by others by Dolly Island and heading north past Nokomis as well.

The links may not work, it was video. These will show up on a few of the larger Winniprsaukee FB groups once approved.

[tis]

Wow, I just don't understand this. I won't even step on somebody else's property if they aren't there, let alone laugh and wander around. It is just amazing.

[fatlazyless]

Well, as long as all they did was pee on the grass, it's not all that big of a deal? It's not like they damaged or stole anything?

Kayakers, like everyone else, have the need to relieve themselves and that can be problematic when kayaking this time of year. In the summer with the water temp at 70+ they wear swim suits and can pee in the lake, out of sight, in the water. Now, with the water temp at 58, it presents a new challenge plus its good to stretch your legs and walk around some after sitting within a kayak for 60-minutes.

So, all things considered, where is a good place for kayakers to pee while paddling around Lake Winnipesaukee?

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

So, all things considered, where is a good place for kayakers to pee while paddling around Lake Winnipesaukee?

Maybe your house for starters…

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Well, as long as all they did was pee on the grass, it's not all that big of a deal? It's not like they damaged or stole anything?

Kayakers, like everyone else, have the need to relieve themselves and that can be problematic when kayaking this time of year. In the summer with the water temp at 70+ they wear swim suits and can pee in the lake, out of sight, in the water. Now, with the water temp at 58, it presents a new challenge plus its good to stretch your legs and walk around some after sitting within a kayak for 60-minutes.

So, all things considered, where is a good place for kayakers to pee while paddling around Lake Winnipesaukee?

That needs to be addressed with the various towns... same for powerboaters.

[fatlazyless]

Isn't the redesign and reconstruction upgrades at the Town of Meredith's Love Joy Sands public parking lot, also known as Shep Brown's located close to Bear Island getting a public toilet building to be constructed next year, starting in the spring of 2023. In addition to new docks, new trees, new parking lot, new lighting, it will get a public toilet with separate gentlemen and ladies rooms.

Will probably include electric outlets for recharging your smart phone/camera plus a vending machine with Coca-Cola, Mountain Dew and Dr Pepper's ....... all the good stuff happens in Meredith! ......

So's, that would be a totally excellent pit stop for kayakers to take a break from paddling without bothering anyone, plus it can be used to park your car and unload a kayak.

[ApS]

No real damage.

No evidence of "damage".

Do you have a case in New Hampshire if the property isn't posted every 100-feet?

We had a neighbor on whose property a deer was "field-dressed".

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Having read the posts on this, as infuriating as it is to have someone trespass and disrespect what is yours, not theirs, I would probably let this whole episode go. People who know no boundaries and behave as they did might decide to get even with you for pursuing this with the authorities. Some people can do really terrible things when confronted. Just my thoughts……

[Bear Girl]

I get the need to relieve yourself. The fact that they noticed the camera and didn't walk up to the tree line to seek some privacy and thought they were being funny is disappointing. It is the comments that are most offensive.

[garysanfran]

Perhaps a $1.7 million dollar public toilet for boaters? Kinda like the one-holer porcelain bowl proposed two blocks from me out here on the left coast? Maybe a nice location like on Becky's Island.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Perhaps a $1.7 million dollar public toilet for boaters? Kinda like the one-holer porcelain bowl proposed two blocks from me out here on the left coast? Maybe a nice location like on Becky's Island.

It would probably be several.
A lot of different towns, with a lot of frontage, surround the lake.

Opechee we had to walk to the Point, now the bathhouses at the Cove cover the swim, track, and skateboard park needs... along with helping support the crowds in the fields and special events.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

It would probably be several.
A lot of different towns, with a lot of frontage, surround the lake.

Opechee we had to walk to the Point, now the bathhouses at the Cove cover the swim, track, and skateboard park needs... along with helping support the crowds in the fields and special events.

Nope! Not several. $1.7 million for one toilet.


https://fortune.com/2022/10/22/san-f...sness-housing/

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Nope! Not several. $1.7 million for one toilet.


https://fortune.com/2022/10/22/san-f...sness-housing/

I meant that the Lake would need several different public toilet facilities.

Opechee is much smaller and has three that I know of.

Each of those today would cost nearly that much...
The city sewer line is closest to the Point, and that facility was not cheap decades ago when built.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by ApS

No real damage.

No evidence of "damage".

Do you have a case in New Hampshire if the property isn't posted every 100-feet?

We had a neighbor on whose property a deer was "field-dressed".

It could be a violation... but very hard to prosecute in the sense that the property was not secured or posted.

[ITD]

Wow, nice detective work. For me as long as nothing was damaged I'd probably let it go with the apologies. But they did cause you grief...

People need to understand that the chances of getting caught are much higher now with these inexpensive cameras.

[fatlazyless]

With all these home cameras all over the place, now-a-days, a group of three paddle kayakers stopping to pee on someone's island home has become like the crime of the century or something.

Hey ...... when you gotta go ...... you gotta go ...... and the water is now too cold at 57-degrees to get in the water to pee in the lake. Fishermen will stand up and pee over the side on their fishing boat but one cannot do that on most kayaks.

You should be honored that they chose your house as a desirable place to stop and pee. Some intangible positive quality must have determined they paddle onto your sandy waterfront for a pit stop. ...... ???

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

With all these home cameras all over the place, now-a-days, a group of three paddle kayakers stopping to pee on someone's island home has become like the crime of the century or something.

Hey ...... when you gotta go ...... you gotta go ...... and the water is now too cold at 57-degrees to get in the water to pee in the lake. Fishermen will stand up and pee over the side on their fishing boat but one cannot do that on most kayaks.

You should be honored that they chose your house as a desirable place to stop and pee. Some intangible positive quality must have determined they paddle onto your sandy waterfront for a pit stop. ...... ???

Yes, I feel truly honored….

Next time I hope it’s your house.

[tis]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Yes, I feel truly honored….

Next time I hope it’s your house.

I laugh every time I read this. Good response!!!

[AC2717]

The woke entitled showing true colors again. I do not even know how this crosses one's mind to do this, i have a friend with a place further up the state and people all the time walk from the street right up his driveway and look in his windows and stay on the property to observe the lake he is on, with signs that he now has to put on his property. started filming, has the signs, started sending to police, still hasnt stopped.

I have it happen a few times a summer as well (which has upticked in the past few years), people who rent across the street from our property walk over with chairs and fishing poles and sit on our beach/dock to enjoy the lake that they do not have access to from where they rent, their answer, oh we are across the street? does that give you the right to walk passed private property signs and use the land, no it does not, but hey no one cares until that same person hurts themselves for stupid reasons on your property and your and your insurance company gets to flip the bill for it. We have actually had to call the police and waste thier time because the people sometimes refuse to leave

[Major]

The issue isn't having to relieve oneself. We have all been there. This issue is treating someone else's property as your own. Societal norms are going by the wayside. I can't remember the last time a youngster when introduced to me or my wife called me Mr. and Mrs. So and So. Another example, went to a funeral recently, maybe 20 percent of the attendees were wearing suits or appropriate dresses. It's the little things that go away and then the bigger things erode, like feeling it's okay to treat someone else's property as your own.

It's always bad to generalize, but I blame the late baby boomers for this. This couple appears to be solidly in the demographic. They have systematically destroyed family values, removed societal norms and encouraged bad behavior, e.g., drag shows for children. We see it all around us now and are so desensitized that no one cares.

Regardless of whether they were caught, it is nice to know that at least one of them apologized. Hopefully they learned a lesson.

[Woodsy]

Common law in New Hampshire extends the privilege of public access to private lands that are not posted.

That being said, it is not hard to be respectful....

Woodsy

[tis]

Either way it doesn't encourage a person to work hard if they just have to give it to somebody else who doesn't care to.

John, are you saying we all need to put no trespassing signs on our property if we don't want others using it as they please? Wow!

[ApS]

The law says you're entitled to restrict use of your land to people you want there.

Signs and/or fences indicate such restrictions. Enforcement is a whole different matter.

[fatlazyless]

New Hampshire born poet Robert Frost, 1874-1963 .....
'Mending Wall' ... http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem...6/mending-wall ... 1914

hmmmmm ...... something to ponder

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by tis

Either way it doesn't encourage a person to work hard if they just have to give it to somebody else who doesn't care to.

John, are you saying we all need to put no trespassing signs on our property if we don't want others using it as they please? Wow!

It is the way that NH works.
For it to be a violation... simple fine... they must be in a place that they do not know that they can't be. Without the signs, non-motorized users plead ignorance of that fact without postings or fences/gates.

For motorized users, we changed the laws... but even those are openly flouted.

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by tis

Are you saying we all need to put no trespassing signs on our property if we don't want others using it as they please? Wow!

Common law in New Hampshire extends the privilege of public access to private lands that are not posted. So to answer your question, if you do not want people to trespass on your property, then YES you have to post it as such. There are rules to specifically how it has to be posted.... bright sign every 100 yards, specific lettering height, etc etc etc.

Woodsy

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Common law in New Hampshire extends the privilege of public access to private lands that are not posted. So to answer your question, if you do not want people to trespass on your property, then YES you have to post it as such. There are rules to specifically how it has to be posted.... bright sign every 100 yards, specific lettering height, etc etc etc.

Woodsy

https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa.../635/635-4.htm

635:4 Prescribed Manner of Posting. – A person may post his land to prohibit criminal trespass and physical activities by posting signs of durable material with any words describing the physical activity prohibited, such as "No Hunting or Trespassing", printed with block letters no less than 2 inches in height, and with the name and address of the owner or lessee of such land. Such signs shall be posted not more than 100 yards apart on all sides and shall also be posted at gates, bars and commonly used entrances. This section shall not prevent any owner from adding to the language required by this section.
Source. 1977, 284:1, eff. Aug. 21, 1977.

[dickiej]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

With all these home cameras all over the place, now-a-days, a group of three paddle kayakers stopping to pee on someone's island home has become like the crime of the century or something.

Hey ...... when you gotta go ...... you gotta go ...... and the water is now too cold at 57-degrees to get in the water to pee in the lake. Fishermen will stand up and pee over the side on their fishing boat but one cannot do that on most kayaks.

You should be honored that they chose your house as a desirable place to stop and pee. Some intangible positive quality must have determined they paddle onto your sandy waterfront for a pit stop. ...... ???

Poor attempt at humor….

[tummyman]

Words to live by....PB4UGO !!!

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by dickiej

Poor attempt at humor….

That’s his usual MO….

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Well, as long as all they did was pee on the grass, it's not all that big of a deal? It's not like they damaged or stole anything?

Kayakers, like everyone else, have the need to relieve themselves and that can be problematic when kayaking this time of year. In the summer with the water temp at 70+ they wear swim suits and can pee in the lake, out of sight, in the water. Now, with the water temp at 58, it presents a new challenge plus its good to stretch your legs and walk around some after sitting within a kayak for 60-minutes.

So, all things considered, where is a good place for kayakers to pee while paddling around Lake Winnipesaukee?

Well let's see...Pilots have to plan for their "bathroom" requirements while airborne. Other than making a pit stop at an appropriate facility, there are many options. Some of these include the most basic of using a bottle, to more advanced methods of using special bags that have a substance in them that turns to gel once exposed to #1. https://www.reliefontheline.com/

Or perhaps if a pilot was an inconsiderate loser like these moron kayakers, he'd just "hang it out" over your house. Hopefully he doesn't have to go #2. No, that's not a rainstorm, FLL

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Well let's see...Pilots have to plan for their "bathroom" requirements while airborne. Other than making a pit stop at an appropriate facility, there are many options. Some of these include the most basic of using a bottle, to more advanced methods of using special bags that have a substance in them that turns to gel once exposed to #1. https://www.reliefontheline.com/

Or perhaps if a pilot was an inconsiderate loser like these moron kayakers, he'd just "hang it out" over your house. Hopefully he doesn't have to go #2. No, that's not a rainstorm, FLL

If you really want to wig him out, tell him about relief tubes.

[codeman671]

People walk though all the time, we don’t care about that. These people came directly in by kayak, decided to hang out and sun themselves on my deck, check everything out and make ridiculous comments while knowing they were on camera the whole time. It was certainly more bold than a passerby.

If it were those of a younger generation I could understand (although not approve of) their actions but these people were older, local and should have known better.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by codeman671

People walk though all the time, we don’t care about that. These people came directly in by kayak, decided to hang out and sun themselves on my deck, check everything out and make ridiculous comments while knowing they were on camera the whole time. It was certainly more bold than a passerby.

If it were those of a younger generation I could understand (although not approve of) their actions but these people were older, local and should have known better.

These people are losers, and you are right to be angry. I don't blame you. Hopefully they are not neighbors rather just blow ins who will blow out quickly.

I would change my hot tub water too, I don't believe him that he went next to the hot tub, unless you got it on video.

[Diver1111]

Up the game:

- Report it to the police and let them run with it but don't stop there; in a perfect world they should all get arrested;

- If you have the entire clip(s) and screen shots send it to the Police too;

- Get screens shots and send them to the LaDaSun with the backstory then...

Sit back and see how much mouth they have when they see they are on the front page of the Sun.

The best way to find them is publicity. Someone will know who they are.

[codeman671]

As I expected the power of social media prevailed. I have a tip that one is on the board and/or works at Gunstock, and another one of them reached out directly to admit and apologize.

Haven’t determined how I will handle this, as one at least reached out as I requested. I am certainly upgrading the camera system though.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by codeman671

As I expected the power of social media prevailed. I have a tip that one is on the board and/or works at Gunstock, and another one of them reached out directly to admit and apologize.

Haven’t determined how I will handle this, as one at least reached out as I requested. I am certainly upgrading the camera system though.

The only reason you got an apology is because they were caught red handed on your camera. Don’t think for a minute they would of had the decency to come apologize on their own…

I would at least report it to the police and see if they can give them some kind of warning.

Dan

[ACME on the Broads]

At your home!

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Well, as long as all they did was pee on the grass, it's not all that big of a deal? It's not like they damaged or stole anything?

Kayakers, like everyone else, have the need to relieve themselves and that can be problematic when kayaking this time of year. In the summer with the water temp at 70+ they wear swim suits and can pee in the lake, out of sight, in the water. Now, with the water temp at 58, it presents a new challenge plus its good to stretch your legs and walk around some after sitting within a kayak for 60-minutes.

So, all things considered, where is a good place for kayakers to pee while paddling around Lake Winnipesaukee?

Speaking as a frequent kayaker, this is something I plan for in advance. I've never had to "go" in anyone's yard. There are always other possibilities. There are at least 5 different ways of peeing in or from your kayak, like using a bottle or a sponge. Even women can do this. Also, I never land on private property, at least not within sight of a house. It's outrageous to pull up to someone's dock and treat the property like your personal bathroom or rest area. If you're driving in your vehicle and you have to go to the bathroom, you don't stop in someone's yard. Same with a kayak. The fact that they did no damage is irrelevant. What they did was wrong in so many ways, and they've probably done this many times before. It conveys a sense of entitlement and disrespect for people's property.

[fatlazyless]

The Bear Island Post Office dock is owned by the Town of Meredith so that could be a good spot for a portable rental toilet. Other locations for a portable rental toilet are Cattle Landing parking lot, Love Joy Sands parking lot, Meredith town docks parking lot, and Leavitt Beach, Meredith, parking lot.

That's five different Meredith locations where a rental porta-potty would be usefull. If a porta-potty got placed in these locations, it would probably get used, and probably annoy a number of people at the same time, just for it being there. While there is a need for public toilets, it's like the solution with port-potties is maybe considered to be worse than the problem, so nothing happens.

In the winter, snowmobilers and ice fisherman just use the ice. In the summer, kayakers, boaters, and patrons at The Dive all use the lake. When hikers walking the 2200-mile Appalachian Trail need to go, they use the woods and are supposed to dig a small hole in the ground in the woods. Lake Winnipesaukee presents a difficult situation for locating public toilets and people just pee in the lake when the water is warm enough in the summer, but that becomes a problem when the water temp is too cold, like right now with 57-degree water temp.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

In the winter, snowmobilers and ice fisherman just use the ice. In the summer, kayakers, boaters, and patrons at The Dive all use the lake.

Patrons at the Dive? Really Les? They do have facilities on board...

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Lake Winnipesaukee presents a difficult situation for locating public toilets and people just pee in the lake when the water is warm enough in the summer, but that becomes a problem when the water temp is too cold, like right now with 57-degree water temp.

Again I say, plan ahead. Yes, it's an inconvenience. Too bad. A kayaker's inconvenience doesn't supersede a property owner's expectation of privacy and respect for his land. I was kayaking in Maine yesterday. On long trips I carry a two-part bucket toilet with pine pellets for liquid waste and sawdust for solid (hence my question here some time ago about sources of sawdust in the Lakes Region). It took me a while yesterday to find a secluded wooded area. Inconvenient, yes, but common sense. Like your mama said, go to the bathroom before you hit the road or the water. I'm not claiming I would never land my kayak on private land to pee if I had to. Just that I wouldn't brazenly pull up to someone's dock, pee in front of their house, lounge around, and make rude comments in front of the cameras. I would find a secluded place well away from houses. I think the OP was most bothered by the attitude of the kayakers, not the damage caused by peeing on his land.

All outdoor sports people have to deal with this problem---boaters, hikers, backpackers, campers, canoeists, cyclists, fishermen, etc. Kayakers don't really have more of a challenge than, say, cyclists. All have the same obligation to find a wooded area and be discrete. The water temperature doesn't change that obligation.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

"...Lake Winnipesaukee presents a difficult situation for locating public toilets and people just pee in the lake when the water is warm enough in the summer, but that becomes a problem when the water temp is too cold, like right now with 57-degree water temp...."

Not really, FLL. You can step out of your kayak, legally stand in ankle-deep water, and pee on the property stakes.

You wouldn’t be guilty of trespassing--much less Criminal Trespass.

We didn't have this "problem" until widespread availability and installations of "surveillance" cameras.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by ApS

Not really, FLL. You can step out of your kayak, legally stand in ankle-deep water, and pee on the property stakes.

You wouldn’t be guilty of trespassing--much less Criminal Trespass.

We didn't have this "problem" until widespread availability and installations of "surveillance" cameras.

The people weren't actually guilty of criminal trespass. The property is not posted.

They showed bad judgement.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by ApS

Not really, FLL. You can step out of your kayak, legally stand in ankle-deep water, and pee on the property stakes.

Until someone sees you do it, at which point it can become a much larger problem. Its a quick way to get arrested for indecent exposure or fined for public urination or defecation

I hadn't seen this one before until I looked it up.

645:1-a Public Urination or Defecation. – A person is guilty of a violation if such person urinates or defecates in a public place, other than a public restroom, under circumstances where the person knew or should have known would likely cause affront or alarm to another.

[tis]

Well wouldn't it look pretty if every piece of property was plastered with No Trespassing signs. No picnics allowed on my front lawn.

[John Mercier]

Believe me... it is a major problem.
I hate the look of the posted signs... but nothing else seems to work... and those signs are always disappearing or being ignored.

[tis]

I can see them on large parcels where there is no home. But if you own a house with say, an acre and need to post signs to keep people off, it is ridiculous!! Oh wait, I forgot your land belongs to the government.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by tis

I can see them on large parcels where there is no home. But if you own a house with say, an acre and need to post signs to keep people off, it is ridiculous!! Oh wait, I forgot your land belongs to the government.

Government protection is just not extended.
It use to be that motorized users and stray dogs could also trespass... but they have now limited them... though no one really pays attention.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Until someone sees you do it, at which point it can become a much larger problem. Its a quick way to get arrested for indecent exposure or fined for public urination or defecation I hadn't seen this one before until I looked it up. 645:1-a Public Urination or Defecation. – A person is guilty of a violation if such person urinates or defecates in a public place, other than a public restroom, under circumstances where the person knew or should have known would likely cause affront or alarm to another.

I don't have ANY cameras!

How would ANYONE know of these offenses without these latest cameras?

[ITD]

Originally Posted by ApS

I don't have ANY cameras!

How would ANYONE know of these offenses without these latest cameras?

It's tough to get away with anything anymore APS, not good to forget this.

I have cameras on my property, astute people notice them right away. We were robbed about 10 years ago, the crooks maneuvered so as to not be seen. They stole a fairly new, but inexpensive tv, a tv stand, and a 20 year old obsolete dvd player. Together they were worth less than the my insurance deductible. Stupidly I called the cops, who promptly interrogated the trusted people who do things for me around the house.... never again for a small break in. I added a couple more cameras.

"How would anyone know of these offenses with out the latest cameras?"

There was a genius a while back, roaming a neighborhood, dropping a deuce on the sidewalk just about every morning. How do you think people knew about these offenses?? I'll leave that to your imagination and intellect. Finally someone fed up with with the deuce man, set up a camera and caught him on video with dropped trou, dropping one. Turns out it was a school administrator, the sidewalk deuces stopped appearing and he was dealt with.

Things like this are generally not a one off event. I'm willing to bet the people in this post regularly made stops at various properties. While it doesn't appear deuces were dropped here, urine was. Here's the thing, urine, when exposed to air for a while, decomposes and stinks. Especially if it is recurring thing in an area.

If you have an emergency, find somewhere out of the way, away from other people's homes and don't be a jerk about it. Otherwise you might find yourself on social media, acting like a fool on video.

[fatlazyless]

Ok, so I googled "How to pee in a kayak" and came up with a number of videos and helpful articles ...... http://www.ericlillstrom.com/2016/09...in-your-kayak/ and then googled "How to pee on a standup paddleboard" and didn't find anything specific to paddleboards but thought this ..... www.paddleabout.com/how-to-pee-while-kayaking/ ..... was helpful.

Coming from somewhere in Gilford, if they paddled all the way from Gilford to Bear Island in Meredith though the big open Lake Winnipesaukee spaces with cold 57-degree lake water they probably just needed to take a quick break, stretch their legs a wee bit and then shove off on their return paddle back to Gilford, or somewhere.

Was it simply three kayak paddlers aged 60's and 50's who could be cold, wet and tired after a long paddle from Gilford who needed to take a pit stop before getting back into their kayaks for more paddling? Peeing while in a kayak is problematic and difficult and is so much more comfortable to get out on shore, somewhere, and stretch one's legs before continuing on with the paddle.

If it had been three black bears, a momma bear and two small young sibling bears who got comfortable within the view of the homeowner's security camera while they did their business, it would have been delightfully cute to view, but that doesn't really translate over to similar activity with three kayak paddlers or something, so's probably I should give up trying to make an analogy, here, between wild black bears and kayak paddlers who need to take a pit stop when the lake water is a chilly 57-degrees. Just like the bears, when you gotta go ....... and you know the rest of this story.

From the photos in the first post, it looks like two of the paddlers are wearing black wet suits, while the lady with the bright yellow cap is wearing blue jeans which tend to get wet and stay wet when paddling a kayak.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Speaking as a frequent kayaker, this is something I plan for in advance. I've never had to "go" in anyone's yard. There are always other possibilities. There are at least 5 different ways of peeing in or from your kayak, like using a bottle or a sponge. Even women can do this. Also, I never land on private property, at least not within sight of a house. It's outrageous to pull up to someone's dock and treat the property like your personal bathroom or rest area. If you're driving in your vehicle and you have to go to the bathroom, you don't stop in someone's yard. Same with a kayak. The fact that they did no damage is irrelevant. What that did was wrong in so many ways, and they've probably done this many times before. It conveys a sense of entitlement and disrespect for people's property.

It happens all the time.
Because of the open space we used to leave our land open rather than go through the effort to post it.

It went from hunters... that only fire rarely and have a firm bearing on their target... to target shooting recreationalist that would go on line and tell everyone that they could come. Weekends sounding like a firing gallery. So we chose to post and then allow hunting with signed permission for those that we OK.

Same happened with motorized recreation, they just could not understand the limits imposed and would not obey them... so now, we no longer allow for that.

[longislander]

RSA 645:1-a Public Urination or Defecation. – A person is guilty of a violation if such person urinates or defecates in a public place, other than a public restroom, under circumstances where the person knew or should have known would likely cause affront or alarm to another.


New Hampshire Violations
The least serious offenses are called violations. A violation is an offense that is not a crime. The penalties for a violation include a fine and, in some cases, license suspension but no jail time will be imposed. Also, a violation conviction is not reported on your criminal record and will have no long term effects. Examples of violations are minor traffic offenses.

https://www.russmanlaw.com/new-hamps...fic%20offenses.

Apology!
Not meaning to participate in an extended thread (have unforetunately done so in the past).

Now the thread can migrate back to was the offense done in a public place or on private property.

Or maybe:
635: UNAUTHORIZED ENTRIES
Section: 635:2 Criminal Trespass.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...C-LXII-635.htm

or maybe, luckily nobody home ...
627: 7 JUSTIFICATION

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...C-LXII-627.htm


Just thought I'd peek in. Will probably regret this post.Leaving now.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by longislander

RSA 645:1-a Public Urination or Defecation. – A person is guilty of a violation if such person urinates or defecates in a public place, other than a public restroom, under circumstances where the person knew or should have known would likely cause affront or alarm to another.


New Hampshire Violations
The least serious offenses are called violations. A violation is an offense that is not a crime. The penalties for a violation include a fine and, in some cases, license suspension but no jail time will be imposed. Also, a violation conviction is not reported on your criminal record and will have no long term effects. Examples of violations are minor traffic offenses.

https://www.russmanlaw.com/new-hamps...fic%20offenses.

Apology!
Not meaning to participate in an extended thread (have unforetunately done so in the past).

Now the thread can migrate back to was the offense done in a public place or on private property.

Or maybe:
635: UNAUTHORIZED ENTRIES
Section: 635:2 Criminal Trespass.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...C-LXII-635.htm

or maybe, luckily nobody home ...
627: 7 JUSTIFICATION

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...C-LXII-627.htm


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None of those would count in this condition.

[longislander]

None of those would count in this condition.

They all apply as ... law.
As in information only ... not opinion.

"Condition" is what?
"Situation" ... may be facts, if that is what is meant.

My condition is I've seen how this goes in this forum. I'm done with this thread. I can waste my time comtemplating my navel.

Bye now. Hope this thread goes on for days.

As predicted:

Just thought I'd peek in. Will probably regret this post.Leaving now.