Trespassers on Bear today

[ApS]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

This is what happens when the summer people go away and we run out of things to discuss in this forum.

Does your neighbor's surveillance camera monitor your activities? Shouldn't permission be asked?

My Central Florida neighbor installed a six-foot fence, then installed a surveillance camera above it. It's ostensibly there to monitor his waterfront possessions; however, it is in plain view each time I open my door.

(We're good friends, his having moved here unaware of my move here thirty years earlier. We knew each other from the same building in a distant city! )

Should I be grateful for such surveillance, or has our society followed Britain into some form of Orwellian dystopia?

[ITD]

Originally Posted by ApS

Does your neighbor's surveillance camera monitor your activities? Shouldn't permission be asked?

My Central Florida neighbor installed a six-foot fence, then installed a surveillance camera above it. It's ostensibly there to monitor his waterfront possessions; however, it is in plain view each time I open my door.

(We're good friends, his having moved here unaware of my move here thirty years earlier. We knew each other from the same building in a distant city! )

Should I be grateful for such surveillance, or has our society followed Britain into some form of Orwellian dystopia?

Neighbor's camera pointed at your house is boorish and uncouth. People should know better.

IMO you should be grateful that technology exists to monitor your premises if you want to. How you use that technology is up to you, it's no one else's business, unless they infringe on you.

As far as the Orwellian dystopia, that ship has sailed. Drive through any city intersection, any toll both, or even down the highway and you will see cameras everywhere, all monitoring you, most connected to some central hub. This was all done relatively quietly, under the radar and in the name of safety. We are a surveillance state. There are police cars with cameras that run you license plate real time, pull up the owner's info on the fly with no justification. Bored police with out the cameras have terminals in their cars where they randomly type license plates fishing for a hit.

Pretty much anyone over 40 or 50 years old allowed this to happen. Not a good outcome from our generation. Do you feel safer?

[John Mercier]

Yes. I do.

People claim they are carrying handguns for personal protection, but we have very little stranger-stranger physical crime... most of it is property-related, and those cameras help protect us from the unscrupulous actions of others.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Yes. I do.

People claim they are carrying handguns for personal protection, but we have very little stranger-stranger physical crime... most of it is property-related, and those cameras help protect us from the unscrupulous actions of others.

The cameras in the intersections and highways?? How so?

Those cameras aren't there for personal protection. They are there for surveillance of the population. Their contribution to your safety is a hash above zero.


"Police, they arrive in minutes, when seconds count."

[John Mercier]

Lots of insurance scams.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Yes. I do. People claim they are carrying handguns for personal protection, but we have very little stranger-stranger physical crime... most of it is property-related, and those cameras help protect us from the unscrupulous actions of others.

Chatting with a friend, he suddenly pointed to the sky. I couldn't see it, but I could hear it.

You're being surveilled at Lake Winnipesaukee, from the sky, at your porch, at your dock, over your fence, and at traffic intersections.

So it's "all good"?

The UK--home of 1984--leads in "surveillance of the unscrupulous".
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/c...light-cameras/

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by ApS

Chatting with a friend, he suddenly pointed to the sky. I couldn't see it, but I could hear it.

You're being surveilled at Lake Winnipesaukee, from the sky, at your porch, at your dock, over your fence, and at traffic intersections.

So it's "all good"?

The UK--home of 1984--leads in "surveillance of the unscrupulous".
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/c...light-cameras/

We've done this by satellite for decades... how do you think Google Earth works?
The information is now available to the public in a delayed format; that is the only real change.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by ITD

As far as the Orwellian dystopia, that ship has sailed. Drive through any city intersection, any toll both, or even down the highway and you will see cameras everywhere, all monitoring you, most connected to some central hub. This was all done relatively quietly, under the radar and in the name of safety. We are a surveillance state. There are police cars with cameras that run you license plate real time, pull up the owner's info on the fly with no justification. Bored police with out the cameras have terminals in their cars where they randomly type license plates fishing for a hit.

Pretty much anyone over 40 or 50 years old allowed this to happen. Not a good outcome from our generation. Do you feel safer?

I have no problem if the police have the means to run license plates either manually or automatically. I am glad that the police randomly run plates. They can identify missing or wanted people and even stolen cars. Numerous people who have outstanding warrants for criminal offenses have been caught this way. The use of computers in police cars enables the police to take more criminals off the street.

It also enables a police officer to know who he is stopping and any criminal history that person may have, prior to approaching the vehicle. That information changes the way a vehicle is approached.

The cameras at intersections allow police to see traffic accidents and assess the situation a lot faster than a cruiser can get there. They may see the need for the fire department or ambulances and send them on their way before the first police officer arrives. They can even dispatch tow trucks immediately to minimize traffic delays.

If these methods keep police safe and allow and assist police to capture more criminals I am all for it. I couldn't care less if my plates get run 10 times a day. I am not doing anything wrong.

[LikeLakes]

I've held off on posting, but have read the thread. Interesting discussion.

Codeman, kudos to you for the way you handled it, great method and great outcome.

We kayak, we hike, we bike, and getting older guess what? I have to pee more often than I used to. I have never, would never, could never, go on someone's yard or even a tree next to the yard to relieve myself. There are ALWAYS options. I view it as total and complete disrespect for someone to do so. Off in the woods? Ok. The lake? Sure if you need to. Or pee in a bottle or other method like Sailin said.

Like I said interesting discussion of the law and police etc., but this is about RESPECT and REGARD for people and their property.

[SailinAway]

So yesterday I was out kayaking on that beautiful day. The need for a pit stop arose. No bathroom in sight, of course. No place to land either! That happens more often than you would think. I pulled up to shore in a marshy area. Exited my kayak and sank into a good 12 inches of mud. Continued to sink, felt the mud trying to suck my mukluks off, gunk from the bottom is rising to the surface with an unholy stench. How far will I sink?! Thank God for the knee-high mukluks. Following the pit stop I use my paddle as a shovel and move bushels of mud and weeds to the side, hoping to hit firm bottom at some point. A miracle I was able to get back in the kayak without capsizing or being swallowed up by the mud.

Point of my post? None, really. Just thought I would share.

[dickiej]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

So yesterday I was out kayaking on that beautiful day. The need for a pit stop arose. No bathroom in sight, of course. No place to land either! That happens more often than you would think. I pulled up to shore in a marshy area. Exited my kayak and sank into a good 12 inches of mud. Continued to sink, felt the mud trying to suck my mukluks off, gunk from the bottom is rising to the surface with an unholy stench. How far will I sink?! Thank God for the knee-high mukluks. Following the pit stop I use my paddle as a shovel and move bushels of mud and weeds to the side, hoping to hit firm bottom at some point. A miracle I was able to get back in the kayak without capsizing or being swallowed up by the mud.

Point of my post? None, really. Just thought I would share.

It would have been an interesting cause of death that could have been worked nicely into your obituary….

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

So yesterday I was out kayaking on that beautiful day. The need for a pit stop arose. No bathroom in sight, of course. No place to land either! That happens more often than you would think. I pulled up to shore in a marshy area. Exited my kayak and sank into a good 12 inches of mud. Continued to sink, felt the mud trying to suck my mukluks off, gunk from the bottom is rising to the surface with an unholy stench. How far will I sink?! Thank God for the knee-high mukluks. Following the pit stop I use my paddle as a shovel and move bushels of mud and weeds to the side, hoping to hit firm bottom at some point. A miracle I was able to get back in the kayak without capsizing or being swallowed up by the mud.

Point of my post? None, really. Just thought I would share.

Were there any crawdads singing?

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[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Were there any crawdads singing?

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Did you read that book? I really enjoyed it. No crawdads singing yesterday. But the loons were acting really loony, skittering across the water, whooping it up. Maybe the weather made them think it was mating season again.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Did you read that book? I really enjoyed it. No crawdads singing yesterday. But the loons were acting really loony, skittering across the water, whooping it up. Maybe the weather made them think it was mating season again.

GREAT book. Glad you had a nice day on the water.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled broadcast...

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[pondguy]

It's also a movie there are previews on YouTube looks good, I really enjoyed the book. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY3808Iq0Tg

[LikeLakes]

Originally Posted by pondguy

It's also a movie there are previews on YouTube looks good, I really enjoyed the book. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY3808Iq0Tg

Saw the movie recently, very much enjoyed it, haven't read the book.

[ITD]

Ah, that was tmi.

[John Mercier]

It is the same reason that the detail is limited and things like your GPS are slightly off.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by LikeLakes

I've held off on posting, but have read the thread. Interesting discussion.

Codeman, kudos to you for the way you handled it, great method and great outcome.

We kayak, we hike, we bike, and getting older guess what? I have to pee more often than I used to. I have never, would never, could never, go on someone's yard or even a tree next to the yard to relieve myself. There are ALWAYS options. I view it as total and complete disrespect for someone to do so. Off in the woods? Ok. The lake? Sure if you need to. Or pee in a bottle or other method like Sailin said.

Like I said interesting discussion of the law and police etc., but this is about RESPECT and REGARD for people and their property.

But as can be seen respect for property isn't a modern concept that is adhered to... and I suspect will get much worse going forward; especially around the lake as the density builds in.