R,R,and D vote in Concord today

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by Major

I have lived here since 1977 and I read the newspaper.


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Living here and reading the newspaper is not data. So how do you prove that a law, on the books for 10+ years, has not prevented any accidents on an increasing congested lake? Only a deity could do that.

[Major]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

Living here and reading the newspaper is not data. So how do you prove that a law, on the books for 10+ years, has not prevented any accidents on an increasing congested lake? Only a deity could do that.

It isn’t like we are splitting the atom. There have only been a handful of fatal accidents on the lake the past 40 years, and less than a handful of “accidents” each year. Not enough to count and not enough to draw any conclusions. Speed is never an issue. I wish it was like the feckless ban on assault rifles which did nothing. Lots of good data on that. That’s why they reversed it. Unfortunately, speeding on the lake never has been and never will be a safety issue.


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[sunset on the dock]

As noted, boy for a guy who is too busy to send a quick email to his state rep you certainly seem to have a lot of time on your hands for the forum.

[Major]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

As noted, boy for a guy who is too busy to send a quick email to his state rep you certainly seem to have a lot of time on your hands for the forum.

Only today. Most times I’m too busy. I’ll take the V if that’s your best response.


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Major

Only today. Most times I’m too busy. I’ll take the V if that’s your best response.


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I still like your stance that all the people that voted against it don't work and all the people that are for the increase in the speed limit are too busy working to come forward to advocate for it's acceptance.
I think that theory was based on some serious scientific data, take the V!

[Dick52]

Originally Posted by Major

It isn’t like we are splitting the atom. There have only been a handful of fatal accidents on the lake the past 40 years, and less than a handful of “accidents” each year. Not enough to count and not enough to draw any conclusions. Speed is never an issue. I wish it was like the feckless ban on assault rifles which did nothing. Lots of good data on that. That’s why they reversed it. Unfortunately, speeding on the lake never has been and never will be a safety issue.


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So, I have gone back and read some of your posts on other issues. Who knows maybe I am wrong but it appears you are a "troll". I think you are. You appear to be just having some "sport" with people who take these issues seriously. Anyway have fun...if that is what floats your boat.

[tis]

I don't think Major is a troll. He's been on here forever! He's just not a liberal and isn't afraid to say so. I think his opinions have always been consistent.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by tis

I don't think Major is a troll. He's been on here forever! He's just not a liberal and isn't afraid to say so. I think his opinions have always been consistent.

100% correct, tis. Conservatives push against issues they don’t agree with. Liberals (of which there are apparently many on this thread and this forum in general), have to attack the “person” who dares go against their position. It’s sickening if you ask me.

Major always has thoughtful posts and never makes personal attacks. More than I can say for those launching insults at him.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

100% correct, tis. Conservatives push against issues they don’t agree with. Liberals (of which there are apparently many on this thread and this forum in general), have to attack the “person” who dares go against their position. It’s sickening if you ask me.

Major always has thoughtful posts and never makes personal attacks. More than I can say for those launching insults at him.

Liberal would be the idea that one can do as they please...
Especially with property that they do not personally own.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

Well I guess this must be the new reality. 23 to 2, 18:0, 700 to a handful...all a minority. It brings to mind another "minority"... the 80% of NH reps who supported the bill a decade ago that made 45/30 law, with an even higher percentage of reps from towns bordering the lake in support.

I feel sorry for those individuals who cannot or will not grasp even the basic tenets of physics, statistics, probability and science.
But yikes...100,000 boats on the lake. I'm glad it will continue to be illegal for them to exceed 45 MPH!

Lake Winnipesaukee is not the only lake with a speed limit.

I'd be interested in reading of those tragic cases that sealed the freedoms of ocean-racer speed stars.

Many have said they'd take their ocean-racers elsewhere. What would happen if they were to return? Fundamentally change the character of a safer and relatively peaceful lake?

Originally Posted by tis

I don't think Major is a troll. He's been on here forever! He's just not a liberal and isn't afraid to say so. I think his opinions have always been consistent.

Oh noooo...you've used a word that always locks a thread!

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by ApS

Lake Winnipesaukee is not the only lake with a speed limit.

I'd be interested in reading of those tragic cases that sealed the freedoms of ocean-racer speed stars.

Many have said they'd take their ocean-racers elsewhere. What would happen if they were to return? Fundamentally change the character of a safer and relatively peaceful lake?

This is the most important argument for a speed limit--ocean racers change the fundamental character of the lake, and their "footprint" imposed on the rest of us is huge. They belong on the ocean

[tis]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Liberal would be the idea that one can do as they please...
Especially with property that they do not personally own.

It's true, the definition of liberal is improperly used by calling Democrats liberal. And the last thing Dems want is for people to do as they please. And I will probably get in trouble for this so I am not going say any more. Let's end this.

[John Mercier]

You are spot on.
Terms are being misappropriated, and then everyone is complaining about a lack of education.

The two parties have for decades danced back and forth. Neither is truly liberal or conservative; and even individual members tend to be more conservative in some instances and more liberal in others.

You should here how many people are upset that we're developing the lake shore to be more like the seacoast of the Cape rather than ''On Golden Pond''; and many times those are the same people espousing ''Live Free or Die''.

It isn't my land. I just do the designs the way the owner envisions.

20 or so years ago, we had the same battle around the lake. But at the time, once we got behind closed doors, it was kayaks/canoes that loved to hug the shore were upset with those of us that sat in our boats and cast our lines toward the shaded areas of the shoreline. They would have trouble navigating around us, and we would gripe about them tangling our lines.

I think as the population around the lakes grows... it is just going to be an onging battle that the Legislature is walking an ever tighter fine line around.

They ares definitely the driver of tourism in the local area. Is that generational? Is all this generational? I really don't know. I have a feeling some of it is, but not sure how much.

[LikeLakes]

People shouldn't feel the need to label others this or that, it's ok to have views on various things and once you get to know someone, in every case you learn they have different ideas about different topics, it's what makes conversation interesting.

I'll state a few things about me ...
I tend to lean left on many/most issues, not all
I'd vote in favor of removing the speed limit on the broads
I've run a few boats in the 60's on Winni, really enjoy it (never on a weekend)
I paddle board and kayak and think I should be able to do so anywhere on the lake I want to
Paddlers, like power boaters, should be responsible for safety, meaning PFD's, flags, etc.

And I consider myself a safe, considerate boater and paddler. And seems to me everyone here was posting opinions on the vote and merits of the speed limit, pretty respectful all around if you ask me.

[LoveLakeLife]

Originally Posted by tis

I don't think Major is a troll. He's been on here forever! He's just not a liberal and isn't afraid to say so. I think his opinions have always been consistent.

I agree with Tis, I know Major to be genuine. I did like Dick’s “floats your boat” pun.


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