Moultonborough Post Office doesn't have enough people to deliver the mail

John Mercier · 08-18-2023, 08:45 PM

UPS even with some impressive hourly pay rates had a strike and an increase in pay because they felt they were being overworked.

The extra money will calm nerves for a little while, but the workload will still lead to stress effects.

The efficiency of the system is what tends to make productivity gains.
I'm not sure what UPS is doing on that front... if anything.

tis · 08-19-2023, 04:28 AM

Tilton, we have the same problem, we never know when or if we will get mail. But I have a friend who works for USPS and when she had our route we got our mail at the same time every day and always got it. She finished and went on to do other things. She is the one who enlightened me to how many packages the USPS now has. I never realized it, I thought most of it was through UPS and FedX. I think you are right, it depends on the person and how hard they want to work. I think routes isn't a good idea. They need incentive to move faster. But isn't that government? I had another friend and he and his wife both worked for government and said they quit because they got bored being so idle-nothin to do.

jeffk · 08-19-2023, 06:01 AM

I would point out that the delivery services, UPS & Fedex & etc, in an effort to control their costs of "last mile" delivery, have all partnered with USPS to hand off the home delivery of their packages. That increased significantly the Post Office load. I'm sure the USPS thought that was a good deal, grabbing a piece of the pie of the package companies, however, the outcome, handing off from a high efficiency process to a low efficiency process has been poor and especially stressful for the USPS employees.

I have noted that USPS tracking has collapsed in the last year or so. You used to see each leg of the trip. Now, you see the package go out and may not see any progress until it is delivered. That probably was an effort to reduce the scanning of all packages at each stop. That kind of scanning is, by necessity, built into the package companies automated processes (packages are bar coded, machine scanned, and machine sorted). The USPS isn't as well automated and an increase in number of packages, increases work loads on PEOPLE. The USPS system is ill designed for expansion. The cost to do so would be enormous. They are stuck because the USPS management failed to have a vision of the future of "mail".

As the USPS collapses under its own, people heavy, weight, there will be a shift in what needs to be mailed. Many bills and legal notices will become email because that will be more reliable and laws will change to support what is a "legal notice" (now requiring a USPS notification). The vast amount of merchandise mail (that is mostly trashed) will dry up. Simple and easy to use devices will be in homes to allow people to receive email without the complexity of a full capacity computer. The USPS will be extinct.

TiltonBB · 08-19-2023, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

UPS even with some impressive hourly pay rates had a strike and an increase in pay because they felt they were being overworked.

The UPS union workers did not go on strike. The drivers authorized a strike but that was just a negotiating tactic often used by unions. There was no work stoppage. They currently make about $41.00 per hour and at the end of the proposed 5 year contract they will be at about $50.00 per hour. That does not include the cost of benefits.

One of the big wins for the drivers was air conditioning in any truck purchased from 2024 forward. Drivers had complained that temperatures in the back of the trucks reached over 135 degrees on a hot day. Don't be surprised if UPS purchases a substantial number of new trucks at the end of 2023 to save the cost of purchasing and maintaining air conditioning.

John Mercier · 08-19-2023, 07:16 AM

USPS drivers make what? Half of that?
And do all those vehicles have AC?

You have to imagine that if the UPS needs more workers in any given area, they would rather work for the higher pay.

TiltonBB · 08-19-2023, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

USPS drivers make what? Half of that?
And do all those vehicles have AC?

You have to imagine that if the UPS needs more workers in any given area, they would rather work for the higher pay.

The average salary for a USPS worker is about $53,000. Some Supervisors, promoted from the ranks, make about $100,000.

The CEO of UPS estimates that their labor cost, including benefits, will be about $170 per hour.

The Real BigGuy · 08-19-2023, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB

The average salary for a USPS worker is about $53,000. Some Supervisors, promoted from the ranks, make about $100,000.

The CEO of UPS estimates that their labor cost, including benefits, will be about $170 per hour.

To correct you, he said $170,000 per year. That number is for drivers only and includes overtime, pension fund payments, insurance benefits, & vacation time. Salary alone is about 92K. Part time employees (a very large % of total UPS employees) will get an immediate increase to 21/hr or a bump of 1.75/hr (existing rates vary depending on location) with the balance of the 7.50/hr applied over the 5 yr contract.

All trucks are supposed to receive AC by the end of the contract starting in the “hotter” areas of the country, as well as venting to improve air flow in the back of the trucks. Some drivers have reported temps as high as 135 in the back. (I would certainly hate to open the door to that!) All trucks are supposed to receive fans in the cab immediately. (I guess to blow the hot air around.)

A previous poster asked what UPS is doing to address efficiency. UPS is currently the most efficient package delivery service out there. They operate using routes or delivery areas so, it can work. It is normal for you to see several Amazon delivery trucks on the same residential street during a single day. You won’t see more than 1 UPS truck. UPS has the package delivery system down. They have somewhere in the area of 35% of the business in the US.

I’m just surprised that the USPS doesn’t spend more time evaluating UPS’s system and figuring out what parts they can emulate.

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TiltonBB · 08-19-2023, 12:07 PM

You are correct on the $170,000 per year. I misremembered. My apology

Efficiency? I knew someone who drove a "Brownie" package delivery truck. He said that they had to keep the truck door key in their left pocket so when they unlocked the sliding door they could be sliding the door to the right with their right hand as they put the key back in their left pocket, saving time. I would have liked to see the math on that, saving say 1.5 seconds per stop times the number of stops made by all UPS trucks across the country.

UPS estimates they save 10 million gallons of fuel each year by avoiding left hand turns. “A left-hand turn is also less fuel efficient,” said Jack Levis, UPS Senior Director of Process Management, “because your car’s idling longer, which is also not good for your vehicle.”

A company with a decent size fleet would be wise to hire someone who has worked in management at UPS just to learn all the efficiency steps.

John Mercier · 08-19-2023, 12:43 PM

I think it cost us more to ship UPS/FedEx than USPS.
To hire more drivers, they will probably have to pay more... and move their rates up.

But Amazon is catching UPS. Amazon is at a 22% market share with UPS being at 24%... that also seems to be a function of pricing.

08-18-2023, 08:45 PM	#1
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,567 Thanks: 3 Thanked 637 Times in 524 Posts	UPS even with some impressive hourly pay rates had a strike and an increase in pay because they felt they were being overworked. The extra money will calm nerves for a little while, but the workload will still lead to stress effects. The efficiency of the system is what tends to make productivity gains. I'm not sure what UPS is doing on that front... if anything.

08-19-2023, 04:28 AM	#2
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,844 Thanks: 764 Thanked 1,474 Times in 1,029 Posts	Tilton, we have the same problem, we never know when or if we will get mail. But I have a friend who works for USPS and when she had our route we got our mail at the same time every day and always got it. She finished and went on to do other things. She is the one who enlightened me to how many packages the USPS now has. I never realized it, I thought most of it was through UPS and FedX. I think you are right, it depends on the person and how hard they want to work. I think routes isn't a good idea. They need incentive to move faster. But isn't that government? I had another friend and he and his wife both worked for government and said they quit because they got bored being so idle-nothin to do.

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jeffk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Center Harbor Posts: 1,191 Thanks: 211 Thanked 460 Times in 263 Posts	I would point out that the delivery services, UPS & Fedex & etc, in an effort to control their costs of "last mile" delivery, have all partnered with USPS to hand off the home delivery of their packages. That increased significantly the Post Office load. I'm sure the USPS thought that was a good deal, grabbing a piece of the pie of the package companies, however, the outcome, handing off from a high efficiency process to a low efficiency process has been poor and especially stressful for the USPS employees. I have noted that USPS tracking has collapsed in the last year or so. You used to see each leg of the trip. Now, you see the package go out and may not see any progress until it is delivered. That probably was an effort to reduce the scanning of all packages at each stop. That kind of scanning is, by necessity, built into the package companies automated processes (packages are bar coded, machine scanned, and machine sorted). The USPS isn't as well automated and an increase in number of packages, increases work loads on PEOPLE. The USPS system is ill designed for expansion. The cost to do so would be enormous. They are stuck because the USPS management failed to have a vision of the future of "mail". As the USPS collapses under its own, people heavy, weight, there will be a shift in what needs to be mailed. Many bills and legal notices will become email because that will be more reliable and laws will change to support what is a "legal notice" (now requiring a USPS notification). The vast amount of merchandise mail (that is mostly trashed) will dry up. Simple and easy to use devices will be in homes to allow people to receive email without the complexity of a full capacity computer. The USPS will be extinct.

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TiltonBB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilford, NH and Florida Posts: 3,065 Thanks: 726 Thanked 2,236 Times in 956 Posts	You are correct on the $170,000 per year. I misremembered. My apology Efficiency? I knew someone who drove a "Brownie" package delivery truck. He said that they had to keep the truck door key in their left pocket so when they unlocked the sliding door they could be sliding the door to the right with their right hand as they put the key back in their left pocket, saving time. I would have liked to see the math on that, saving say 1.5 seconds per stop times the number of stops made by all UPS trucks across the country. UPS estimates they save 10 million gallons of fuel each year by avoiding left hand turns. “A left-hand turn is also less fuel efficient,” said Jack Levis, UPS Senior Director of Process Management, “because your car’s idling longer, which is also not good for your vehicle.” A company with a decent size fleet would be wise to hire someone who has worked in management at UPS just to learn all the efficiency steps.

08-19-2023, 12:43 PM	#9
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,567 Thanks: 3 Thanked 637 Times in 524 Posts	I think it cost us more to ship UPS/FedEx than USPS. To hire more drivers, they will probably have to pay more... and move their rates up. But Amazon is catching UPS. Amazon is at a 22% market share with UPS being at 24%... that also seems to be a function of pricing.