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Old 10-20-2023, 03:51 AM   #1
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Arrow A Proper Watch...

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And that nobody was SERIOUSLY injured--that about how fast a boat would be traveling to get airborne.
Timely law enforcement interviews will determine if nobody was SERIOUSLY injured. (Or "merely" knocked unconscious). Had the perpetrators departed the state that night, they could have been willingly hiding injuries.

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I have been to the dock in question…the Searay didn’t go over the dock, it went through it never leaving the water.

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View the drone photos here: https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...7&postcount=37

While the drone almost misses a direct overhead shot, the drone still shows all of the intact joists (stringers) directly depressed under water. Enough intact planking remains to almost reassemble the dock! Was every splintered plank removed before the drone took to the air?

The drone's overhead video also shows how close the Searay came to also striking the neighboring dock and boat.

I think I'll take my collection of reflectors and secure them to my dock next Spring!

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One thing to remember about this accident: It happened at night and boating conditions were likely pitch black..........
Darkness, nor any weather condition, doesn't affect the rules of navigation to "Always Keep a Proper Watch".

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Old 01-07-2024, 06:51 PM   #2
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Question Coverage Speculation...

If insurance covers this Hackercraft, will the insurance company offer a new Hackercraft?

From the Hackercraft factory in NY, their cheapest model starts at $235,000.

https://robbreport.com/motors/marine.../hacker-craft/

Or a replacement "previously-owned" Hackercraft--at $215,000?

https://hackerboat.com/boat/hull-519...YlN9Q10qzdoTxj

Or tow it to the nearest restoration shop for a local repair? (My guess).

Or tow it to the factory for a factory repair? (What the owner would probably want).
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Old 01-07-2024, 10:58 PM   #3
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As noted in your post, all speculation. You'd have to read the policy.

In the meantime, it really isn't the Hacker owner's policy that matters. The "guilty" party's liability insurance will be the settling payment. The owner's company may pay, but they will subrogate against the other party. No reason they can't be "generous" if that's the coverage i.e. replacement vs Actual Cash Value.

In most of these posts, I continue to be amazed at the hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars people pay for insurance and there is very little understanding of how insurance and liability really plays out.

Do you really know what you bought for insurance on your boat? Or if you damage somebody else's boat? Maybe you didn't do the damage, but you're the accused party? What does your insurance cover then?
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Old 01-08-2024, 05:11 AM   #4
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If insurance covers this Hackercraft, will the insurance company offer a new Hackercraft?

From the Hackercraft factory in NY, their cheapest model starts at $235,000.

https://robbreport.com/motors/marine.../hacker-craft/

Or a replacement "previously-owned" Hackercraft--at $215,000?

https://hackerboat.com/boat/hull-519...YlN9Q10qzdoTxj

Or tow it to the nearest restoration shop for a local repair? (My guess).

Or tow it to the factory for a factory repair? (What the owner would probably want).
The boat was hauled back to the factory for repair. It was taken to the old boat repair shop on 28 first and then Hackercraft came and got it.
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Default Mystery….

What ever happened to the guy who caused the wreckage, then disappeared? Was he ever caught and charged?
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What ever happened to the guy who caused the wreckage, then disappeared? Was he ever caught and charged?
That entire thing got squashed pretty good...doubt anyone will ever hear anything...

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Unlikely it was squashed, more likely there was no evidence of the actual captain piloting the boat. Criminal liability depends proving facts established by witnesses and documents, proven "beyond a reasonable doubt." Here: collision at night, no witnesses, passengers and captain phone helpful friend who assist them in leaving the scene shortly thereafter. Captain tells investigators that the boat was stolen, or nothing at all, he is not required to talk to the police or authorities in any way. Friends on the boat are unknown and/or won't talk.

Proof: a boat wreck, with no evidence of who was at the helm. We can all speculate, and I speculate that that speculation is correct. Absent a witness positively identifying the captain at the moment of impact, all you have is an insurance matter, nothing close to a case "beyond a reasonable doubt." In the insurance case, the Searay's owner tells his insurance carrier that the boat was stolen, and he knew nothing of it until the next morning. No proof to the contrary. Of course he left the keys in the boat, doesn't everyone in this safe place?
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What about leaving the scene of an accident?

If the owner were to tell the insurance company that it was stolen would they not require a police report?

If the boat "theft" were reported, would that potentially lead to a charge of filing a false report?
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How are people convinced by circumstantial evidence? A murder case, for example, with no witnesses, no self incrimination, no direct evidence, but damning circumstantial evidence? It happens all the time.
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What about leaving the scene of an accident?

If the owner were to tell the insurance company that it was stolen would they not require a police report?

If the boat "theft" were reported, would that potentially lead to a charge of filing a false report?
Lying on an insurance claim would be criminal. By there's no requirement to file a claim
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Unlikely it was squashed, more likely there was no evidence of the actual captain piloting the boat. Criminal liability depends proving facts established by witnesses and documents, proven "beyond a reasonable doubt." Here: collision at night, no witnesses, passengers and captain phone helpful friend who assist them in leaving the scene shortly thereafter. Captain tells investigators that the boat was stolen, or nothing at all, he is not required to talk to the police or authorities in any way. Friends on the boat are unknown and/or won't talk.

Proof: a boat wreck, with no evidence of who was at the helm. We can all speculate, and I speculate that that speculation is correct. Absent a witness positively identifying the captain at the moment of impact, all you have is an insurance matter, nothing close to a case "beyond a reasonable doubt." In the insurance case, the Searay's owner tells his insurance carrier that the boat was stolen, and he knew nothing of it until the next morning. No proof to the contrary. Of course he left the keys in the boat, doesn't everyone in this safe place?
No witnesses??....I saw pics online of everyone up close in the getaway boat taken that night at the accident scene! People witnessed the crash!

Look deeper into this guys background...you will see why nothing will come of it...

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