Ice Story CBS Boston

Chimi · 12-23-2023, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JayR

I try to keep an open mind, and it is sad how many folks do not. But one thing I remind people of when discussing this stuff, is that a little over 10,000 years ago, what we see now at the lake was nothing more than a huge rocky glacier as far as one could see, with ice a mile thick. Thousands/millions of years before that, it was warm. And before that, more glaciers! And so on.

So, we should absolutely, positively treat our environment better and reduce carbon emissions and make all the recommended changes to our behaviors. BUT...it is likely that we have only just scratched the surface of knowing what really goes on with our planet, and major climate changes are sure to occur again, irrespective of what we do or what we burn or what we don't do or burn.

Try to keep an open mind!

This article states exactly what you said. Apparently when the Flintstones switched to electric vehicles, it did nothing to stop the glaciers from melting. And if the glaciers hadn’t melted, this lake would probably not exist.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/boat...3a8814057.html

John Mercier · 12-23-2023, 06:05 PM

Orbital forcing is very well understood and has been for decades.
The thing that some do not like about it is that if the warming is all natural... nothing can be done. We will see warmer winters and no snow.

C-Bass · 01-10-2024, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

Orbital forcing is very well understood and has been for decades.
The thing that some do not like about it is that if the warming is all natural... nothing can be done. We will see warmer winters and no snow.

This has been a pretty snowless year so far, It seems Moultonborough is a snowless void in general, I have an inch or two on the ground now. Driving around there is quite a bit snow everywhere else, south/southwest, east, and north.

John Mercier · 01-10-2024, 07:18 PM

If it were simply orbital forcing... it would get worse and worse.
Orbital forcing goes until we have a interglacial period (all glaciers are melted including Antarctica)... then tips over the top and goes back toward a glacial period.

Interglacial periods can still have snow... but no where on the Earth does the snow cover exist all year long.

I don't know the math to determine when an interglacial period would start, or when it would peak before heading back to a glacial period... but each year should push us toward a warmer and warmer global mean temperature, with tempering affecting local averages.

But adaptation is what we should expect. Ski resorts will make snow overnight when temperatures allow such. Pond Hockey might become street hockey. The Dog Sled Championships may have to use their wheeled training rigs. Snowshoes... well mine are hanging on the wall as decor... but someone with poles might use them for hiking... and my rubber snow boots work well to keep the puddles from getting my socks wet.

12-23-2023, 06:05 PM	#2
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,474 Thanks: 3 Thanked 610 Times in 504 Posts	Orbital forcing is very well understood and has been for decades. The thing that some do not like about it is that if the warming is all natural... nothing can be done. We will see warmer winters and no snow.

01-10-2024, 07:18 PM	#4
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,474 Thanks: 3 Thanked 610 Times in 504 Posts	If it were simply orbital forcing... it would get worse and worse. Orbital forcing goes until we have a interglacial period (all glaciers are melted including Antarctica)... then tips over the top and goes back toward a glacial period. Interglacial periods can still have snow... but no where on the Earth does the snow cover exist all year long. I don't know the math to determine when an interglacial period would start, or when it would peak before heading back to a glacial period... but each year should push us toward a warmer and warmer global mean temperature, with tempering affecting local averages. But adaptation is what we should expect. Ski resorts will make snow overnight when temperatures allow such. Pond Hockey might become street hockey. The Dog Sled Championships may have to use their wheeled training rigs. Snowshoes... well mine are hanging on the wall as decor... but someone with poles might use them for hiking... and my rubber snow boots work well to keep the puddles from getting my socks wet.