Mount engine failure?

catman2 · 10-24-2006, 07:43 PM

I was just contacted by a friend who was aware of our adventure on the "Mount" Friday night. He said he heard through the LR Fire Dispatch that the mount suffered an engine failure on Saturday and had to towed.
Anyone hear anything about that?

(He is a Capt. in the fire dept)

Weirs guy · 10-24-2006, 07:58 PM

She's here at the Weirs right now (a major repair would be done in Center Harbor?) and she did go out Sunday morning at 10 on schedule, so if there was an issue it couldn't have been too bad.

skprbob · 10-24-2006, 10:38 PM

I can say with certainty that the Mount did NOT have an engine/mechanical failure of any sort on Saturday or any other day around the events under discussion. catman2's friend heard wrong.

Weirs guy · 10-25-2006, 06:17 AM

skprbob, being a man of "connections" in all maters of the winni flagship corp, is my statement that she'd need to go back to Center Harbor for a semi-major repair correct? Seems to me not much can be done at the Weirs from a repair standpoint? While I'm off topic and on stupid questions, where do the girls gas up? I've never seen it happen here, but that doesn't mean I just haven't missed that part.

Dave R · 10-25-2006, 07:14 AM

Maybe is was some random boat that broke and engine mount and someone heard it wrong on the VHF...

WeirsBeachBoater · 10-25-2006, 07:49 AM

There was a call to LR Dispatch sat night of a boat in distress. I was listening to the scanner, and the Mount reported that they saw the boat under tow, as Meredith Police and others were searching for it. I think that is where the confusion came in.

skprbob · 10-25-2006, 08:32 AM

Hi Weirs guy - We can accomplish the vast majority of internal above-waterline repairs at the Weirs but hings such as rudder or propeller damage would likely require going to Center Harbor and pulling the vessel. For example, things such as replacing a cylinder head and/or gasket can be done on site. The main engine cylinder heads are individually replaceable. We keep spare heads on board and have been known to do the job overnight and be ready to go next AM.

Regarding fuel, we have a fuel line from Lakeside Ave down to the pier. A fuel truck can connect to the line on the road and the line connects to the ship at the dock. Doris and Sophie are fueled by pumping over from the ship.

Weirs guy · 10-25-2006, 12:01 PM

Thanks skprbob, I did not know that you could do so much at the Weirs, but in retrospect I guess she doesn't go back to drydock all that often during the season.

My son had asked about fueling the girls up and I had no idea. The funny thing is we were down there last night for a walk and despite me looking around (again) the gas lines aren't something that stick out like a sore thumb. Looks like we have something to keep an eye out for on our next walk.

You and WeirsBeachBoater have the best jobs darn it, but thats what I get for picking the Pier Restaurant to work at as a teenager instead of the Mount.

MWSP · 10-25-2006, 02:43 PM

I remember sometime back in the 1980's, my brother and I were going to take a cruise on the mount. As we came over the top of Tower Street, the lake was covered in fog. We didn't want to pay for a ride in the fog so we skipped it. That was the day the Mount lost all power and drifted into an island. I guess we should have gone!

Will · 10-25-2006, 04:13 PM

That boat on Saturday night was spotted by me. I saw the flares go off. It was a 30' Flybridge that lost engine power and I spotted it heading up on eagle island. Luckily theowner of the boat dropped anchor in time. He was only in 3' of water. I got on 16 and radioed marine patrol but they were not "ON DUTY" which I think is the most assanine ridiculous thing I have ever heard, however thats another thread in itself. Luckily, SeaTow was in Sachem Cove and met me out there to assist the boater. Sea Tow hooked up and saved the day while I stood by. THe boat was then handed off to Lake Tow and All was well.

I still can't believe that the law enforcement and rescue body on our lake was off duty at the most important time as I see it. There was noone out on the lake and noone to help. If someone falls in time is so critical right now, yet they are not on duty? Seems ridiculous.

Cheers,
Will

catman2 · 10-25-2006, 05:02 PM

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I guess WBB had it right..sounds like that is just what happened. Sorry to cause any confusion. I'm glad the "Mount" is fine...........hate to see anything happen to her. All the "girls" have always been a top-notch operation and the crew has always been terrific and very dedicated to their "mission"
Cudos to all crew past and present. We are lucky to have those boats around!

Silver Duck · 10-25-2006, 06:42 PM

MWSP

It wasn't an island, it was a boathuse in Center Harbor. I took pictures while watching the whole episode. I posted them a few years ago; they're probably still somewhere in the photopost section!

Silver Duck

webmaster · 10-27-2006, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Duck

It wasn't an island, it was a boathuse in Center Harbor. I took pictures while watching the whole episode. I posted them a few years ago; they're probably still somewhere in the photopost section!

Click here: http://www.winnipesaukee.com/mount/oops/

MWSP · 10-27-2006, 06:49 AM

Silver Duck,
After I got to work and told the story again, I remembered it was a boathouse. If I had only gone out that day, I would have pictures to remind me!

Coolbreeze · 10-28-2006, 09:05 AM

With regard to the Marine Police not being on duty for the disabled boat, I have learned by some unfortunate incidents of my own on the lake that you are better off handleing them yourself and carrying a cell phone or radio on the boat. If you sit and wait for the MP you are just going to do just that...sit and wait. When they do finally respond especially in the off season, all they are really good for is writing a report of the incident. My point is you are on your own out there. Prepare yourself for anything during the off season. Sometimes a call to 911 will get you a faster response for help than calling the MP as a first call. Be safe .

Winni · 10-28-2006, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coolbreeze

With regard to the Marine Police not being on duty for the disabled boat, I have learned by some unfortunate incidents of my own on the lake that you are better off handleing them yourself and carrying a cell phone or radio on the boat. If you sit and wait for the MP you are just going to do just that...sit and wait. When they do finally respond especially in the off season, all they are really good for is writing a report of the incident. My point is you are on your own out there. Prepare yourself for anything during the off season. Sometimes a call to 911 will get you a faster response for help than calling the MP as a first call. Be safe .

What, did I actually hear someone say a *cellphone* might be your most reliable source in an emergency??? No; it just can't be!

The sad news is, it won't be unless we get some functioning towers in here! Good luck in an emergency. Gosh; where have I heard this all before?

Silver Duck · 10-29-2006, 10:02 AM

There's really no need to "be on your own" out there. There are two professional towing services available on the lake (Sea Tow & Tow Boat US) that are set up for towing, which the MP really isn't.

The membership fee is short money compared to the possible alternatives, and, while they probably don't monitor VHF Ch. 16 around the clock, I know that Sea Tow (the one to which I belong) can be reached 24 - 7 at their national phone number.

Silver Duck

John A. Birdsall · 10-29-2006, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Duck

There's really no need to "be on your own" out there. There are two professional towing services available on the lake (Sea Tow & Tow Boat US) that are set up for towing, which the MP really isn't.

The membership fee is short money compared to the possible alternatives, and, while they probably don't monitor VHF Ch. 16 around the clock, I know that Sea Tow (the one to which I belong) can be reached 24 - 7 at their national phone number.

Silver Duck

Well that is just ducky, so your out on the lake and the cell towers do not pick up your tone. And I have not seen signs anywhere with their phone number on it. so they can monitor 24-7 and what do you do? Maybe their are public telephone booths on all islands.

Some may say your on your own out their, but look at what happened last night and today for the poor fellow that fell off the Mount.

Years gone by, if you had trouble you did not need sea tow people were there and would lend a hand, and some still do. I know if I see someone in trouble I will stop and try to help them.

Airwaves · 10-29-2006, 05:28 PM

J.A.B. & Silver Duck
Even if Sea-Tow or Tow Boat/US aren't monitoring VHF16 24/7 at Lake Winnipesaukee, Coast Guard Group Portland is listening. If Marine Patrol, Sea-Tow or Tow Boat/US are not monitoring VHF16 then hail the Coast Guard and ask them to relay the message via land line.

Coolbreeze · 10-29-2006, 05:57 PM

Well, I know that we are on an island and have phone service (land line) working year round. I think If I was in trouble on the lake I would try to get to a island or shoreline. This is why we carry paddles on our boats, I think. I would break into as many cottages until I found a operating phone or to get out of the elements. I'm sure after finding the owners and paying them for the damages, that they would understand the circumstances. (Do you think Mr. Behr would understand why I used his personal potty?!?)

GWC... · 10-29-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Coolbreeze

(Do you think Mr. Behr would understand why I used his personal potty?!?)

Sooooo, if we use your name, we will get a good seat?!

Airwaves · 10-31-2006, 10:39 PM

Coolbreeze wrote:

Quote:

I think If I was in trouble on the lake I would try to get to a island or shoreline. This is why we carry paddles on our boats, I think.

I've never tried to paddle a 30' flybridge cruiser, how do you reach the water with the paddle?

Will is correct:

Quote:

I got on 16 and radioed marine patrol but they were not "ON DUTY" which I think is the most assanine ridiculous thing I have ever heard

With technology available today there is no reason that a call from VHF16 isn't answered by Marine Patrol, even if it's an on-call officer based from his/her home.

Til then be aware the Coast Guard does monitor VHF16 24/7 and you can raise them from Winnipesaukee if needed. Anyone remember CG efforts to get Winnipesaukee boaters to move off channel 16 a few years ago because the chatter was inteferring with operations in Portland?

upthesaukee · 10-31-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by John A. Birdsall

Well that is just ducky, so your out on the lake and the cell towers do not pick up your tone. And I have not seen signs anywhere with their phone number on it. so they can monitor 24-7 and what do you do? Maybe their are public telephone booths on all islands.

Some may say your on your own out their, but look at what happened last night and today for the poor fellow that fell off the Mount.

Years gone by, if you had trouble you did not need sea tow people were there and would lend a hand, and some still do. I know if I see someone in trouble I will stop and try to help them.

I think that Silver Duck's point is that for fairly short money, you can be covered and your membership card has the national number on it. I have my local towing service local number on my cell phone. I had the misfortune to snap a lower unit and had to be towed in, getting caught in a terrible thunderstorm along the way, and it cost me almost $400 for the tow. (thanks MB). I have over the past few years towed folks 3 or 4 times, sometimes without so much as a thank you, and the last time, i towed the individual from near the east end of Rattlesnake to Roberts Cove. It wasn't until we were about a third of the way to Roberts Cove that he took out his cell phone to call a friend to pick him up at Roberts Cove. He certainly didn't use it to get assistance when he was broken down, and no real thanks.

In the future, I'll stop, I'll suggest dropping an anchor, and will gladly place a call to TowboatUS or the Marine Patrol, but my days of a freebie tow are over, except for a close friend or someone in imminent danger.

MJM · 11-01-2006, 07:59 AM

In the future, I'll stop, I'll suggest dropping an anchor, and will gladly place a call to TowboatUS or the Marine Patrol, but my days of a freebie tow are over, except for a close friend or someone in imminent danger.

I hope you will reconsider. I too have towed people on several occasions, and have had those instances where there was little or no "thank you" or signs of genuine gratitude. But in the spirit of trying to do little things to keep the Lake friendly (heck, we even still wave to other boats!

) like it used to be, I will not hesitate to offer a tow in the future. It also demonstrates to my kids the old-fashioned value of people helping those in need.

And if you believe in Karma....

Silver Duck · 11-01-2006, 09:17 AM

Folks

Not to put down the "Good Samaritan" approach, but unless you have the right equipment and know exactly what you're doing towing can be very dangerous (for people in both boats).

A typical twisted nylon line can stretch enough to pick up a lot of energy when used for towing. Heaven help anybody in its way if it parts during a tow - or, even worse, a cleat pulls out and it comes at you on the end of the line.

The pros use special kevlar-reinforced tow lines, and have properly engineered tow points to attach them to. Much safer for everybody concerned!

Though I'd never ignore a boat that was in trouble, the only way I'd take somebody under tow would be to get them out of danger until a pro arrived. (Sorry, but I just don't want to take the chance of hurting somebody!) And, if I were to need a tow, I'd want somebody with the proper equipment and who knows exactly what they're doing on the other end of the line.

Flame away, but I think towing is better left to the pros (Sea Tow, Tow Boat US, and experienced folks from the marinas).

Silver Duck

Coolbreeze · 11-01-2006, 09:31 AM

Well, I think a general rule of any boating, regardless of the size of the boat, is to anticipate problems and pmake a rough plan in your mind on how to ssafely resolve them. If you have a big boat, plan on thinking about someone who can help you with the potential problems associated with your big boat. I have small boats, so I bring all the required equipment for my boat, and that includes a paddle. I'm sure the crew of the mount have a plan for mechanical problems as well as other scenarios associated with that vessel.

Weirs guy · 11-01-2006, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Duck

A typical twisted nylon line can stretch enough to pick up a lot of energy when used for towing. Heaven help anybody in its way if it parts during a tow - or, even worse, a cleat pulls out and it comes at you on the end of the line.

An old off-roaders trick is to wrap a towel/jacket/ect. around the line before you pull. Believe it or not the cloth wrapped around the strap absorbs a lot of the kinetic energy and has saved me a few windshield's.

10-24-2006, 07:43 PM	#1
catman2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mount engine failure? I was just contacted by a friend who was aware of our adventure on the "Mount" Friday night. He said he heard through the LR Fire Dispatch that the mount suffered an engine failure on Saturday and had to towed. Anyone hear anything about that? (He is a Capt. in the fire dept)

10-24-2006, 07:58 PM	#2
Weirs guy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Weirs Beach, NH Posts: 1,067 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	She's here at the Weirs right now (a major repair would be done in Center Harbor?) and she did go out Sunday morning at 10 on schedule, so if there was an issue it couldn't have been too bad. __________________ Is it bikeweek yet? Now?

10-24-2006, 10:38 PM	#3
skprbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 19 Mile Bay Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 90 Times in 29 Posts	Mount's engines I can say with certainty that the Mount did NOT have an engine/mechanical failure of any sort on Saturday or any other day around the events under discussion. catman2's friend heard wrong.

10-25-2006, 06:17 AM	#4
Weirs guy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Weirs Beach, NH Posts: 1,067 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	skprbob, being a man of "connections" in all maters of the winni flagship corp, is my statement that she'd need to go back to Center Harbor for a semi-major repair correct? Seems to me not much can be done at the Weirs from a repair standpoint? While I'm off topic and on stupid questions, where do the girls gas up? I've never seen it happen here, but that doesn't mean I just haven't missed that part. __________________ Is it bikeweek yet? Now?

10-25-2006, 07:49 AM	#6
WeirsBeachBoater Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 709 Blog Entries: 9 Thanks: 39 Thanked 148 Times in 65 Posts	engine failure There was a call to LR Dispatch sat night of a boat in distress. I was listening to the scanner, and the Mount reported that they saw the boat under tow, as Meredith Police and others were searching for it. I think that is where the confusion came in.

10-25-2006, 07:14 AM	#5
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,985 Thanks: 246 Thanked 744 Times in 444 Posts	Maybe is was some random boat that broke and engine mount and someone heard it wrong on the VHF...

10-25-2006, 08:32 AM	#7
skprbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 19 Mile Bay Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 90 Times in 29 Posts	repairs Hi Weirs guy - We can accomplish the vast majority of internal above-waterline repairs at the Weirs but hings such as rudder or propeller damage would likely require going to Center Harbor and pulling the vessel. For example, things such as replacing a cylinder head and/or gasket can be done on site. The main engine cylinder heads are individually replaceable. We keep spare heads on board and have been known to do the job overnight and be ready to go next AM. Regarding fuel, we have a fuel line from Lakeside Ave down to the pier. A fuel truck can connect to the line on the road and the line connects to the ship at the dock. Doris and Sophie are fueled by pumping over from the ship.

10-25-2006, 12:01 PM	#8
Weirs guy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Weirs Beach, NH Posts: 1,067 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks skprbob, I did not know that you could do so much at the Weirs, but in retrospect I guess she doesn't go back to drydock all that often during the season. My son had asked about fueling the girls up and I had no idea. The funny thing is we were down there last night for a walk and despite me looking around (again) the gas lines aren't something that stick out like a sore thumb. Looks like we have something to keep an eye out for on our next walk. You and WeirsBeachBoater have the best jobs darn it, but thats what I get for picking the Pier Restaurant to work at as a teenager instead of the Mount. __________________ Is it bikeweek yet? Now?

10-25-2006, 02:43 PM	#9
MWSP Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I remember sometime back in the 1980's, my brother and I were going to take a cruise on the mount. As we came over the top of Tower Street, the lake was covered in fog. We didn't want to pay for a ride in the fog so we skipped it. That was the day the Mount lost all power and drifted into an island. I guess we should have gone!

10-25-2006, 04:13 PM	#10
Will Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mass. Posts: 63 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Boat in distress That boat on Saturday night was spotted by me. I saw the flares go off. It was a 30' Flybridge that lost engine power and I spotted it heading up on eagle island. Luckily theowner of the boat dropped anchor in time. He was only in 3' of water. I got on 16 and radioed marine patrol but they were not "ON DUTY" which I think is the most assanine ridiculous thing I have ever heard, however thats another thread in itself. Luckily, SeaTow was in Sachem Cove and met me out there to assist the boater. Sea Tow hooked up and saved the day while I stood by. THe boat was then handed off to Lake Tow and All was well. I still can't believe that the law enforcement and rescue body on our lake was off duty at the most important time as I see it. There was noone out on the lake and noone to help. If someone falls in time is so critical right now, yet they are not on duty? Seems ridiculous. Cheers, Will

10-25-2006, 05:02 PM	#11
catman2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Engine failure I I guess WBB had it right..sounds like that is just what happened. Sorry to cause any confusion. I'm glad the "Mount" is fine...........hate to see anything happen to her. All the "girls" have always been a top-notch operation and the crew has always been terrific and very dedicated to their "mission" Cudos to all crew past and present. We are lucky to have those boats around!

10-25-2006, 06:42 PM	#12
Silver Duck Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Billerica, MA Posts: 364 Thanks: 40 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	MWSP It wasn't an island, it was a boathuse in Center Harbor. I took pictures while watching the whole episode. I posted them a few years ago; they're probably still somewhere in the photopost section! Silver Duck

10-27-2006, 06:49 AM	#14
MWSP Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Silver Duck, After I got to work and told the story again, I remembered it was a boathouse. If I had only gone out that day, I would have pictures to remind me!

10-28-2006, 09:05 AM	#15
Coolbreeze Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 332 Thanks: 0 Thanked 51 Times in 26 Posts	With regard to the Marine Police not being on duty for the disabled boat, I have learned by some unfortunate incidents of my own on the lake that you are better off handleing them yourself and carrying a cell phone or radio on the boat. If you sit and wait for the MP you are just going to do just that...sit and wait. When they do finally respond especially in the off season, all they are really good for is writing a report of the incident. My point is you are on your own out there. Prepare yourself for anything during the off season. Sometimes a call to 911 will get you a faster response for help than calling the MP as a first call. Be safe .

10-29-2006, 10:02 AM	#17
Silver Duck Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Billerica, MA Posts: 364 Thanks: 40 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	There's really no need to "be on your own" out there. There are two professional towing services available on the lake (Sea Tow & Tow Boat US) that are set up for towing, which the MP really isn't. The membership fee is short money compared to the possible alternatives, and, while they probably don't monitor VHF Ch. 16 around the clock, I know that Sea Tow (the one to which I belong) can be reached 24 - 7 at their national phone number. Silver Duck

10-29-2006, 05:28 PM	#19
Airwaves Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: I'm right here! Posts: 1,153 Thanks: 9 Thanked 102 Times in 37 Posts	J.A.B. & Silver Duck Even if Sea-Tow or Tow Boat/US aren't monitoring VHF16 24/7 at Lake Winnipesaukee, Coast Guard Group Portland is listening. If Marine Patrol, Sea-Tow or Tow Boat/US are not monitoring VHF16 then hail the Coast Guard and ask them to relay the message via land line.

10-29-2006, 05:57 PM	#20
Coolbreeze Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 332 Thanks: 0 Thanked 51 Times in 26 Posts	Well, I know that we are on an island and have phone service (land line) working year round. I think If I was in trouble on the lake I would try to get to a island or shoreline. This is why we carry paddles on our boats, I think. I would break into as many cottages until I found a operating phone or to get out of the elements. I'm sure after finding the owners and paying them for the damages, that they would understand the circumstances. (Do you think Mr. Behr would understand why I used his personal potty?!?)

11-01-2006, 07:59 AM	#24
MJM Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 262 Thanks: 0 Thanked 23 Times in 11 Posts	In the future, I'll stop, I'll suggest dropping an anchor, and will gladly place a call to TowboatUS or the Marine Patrol, but my days of a freebie tow are over, except for a close friend or someone in imminent danger. I hope you will reconsider. I too have towed people on several occasions, and have had those instances where there was little or no "thank you" or signs of genuine gratitude. But in the spirit of trying to do little things to keep the Lake friendly (heck, we even still wave to other boats! ) like it used to be, I will not hesitate to offer a tow in the future. It also demonstrates to my kids the old-fashioned value of people helping those in need. And if you believe in Karma....

11-01-2006, 09:17 AM	#25
Silver Duck Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Billerica, MA Posts: 364 Thanks: 40 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Something to consider Folks Not to put down the "Good Samaritan" approach, but unless you have the right equipment and know exactly what you're doing towing can be very dangerous (for people in both boats). A typical twisted nylon line can stretch enough to pick up a lot of energy when used for towing. Heaven help anybody in its way if it parts during a tow - or, even worse, a cleat pulls out and it comes at you on the end of the line. The pros use special kevlar-reinforced tow lines, and have properly engineered tow points to attach them to. Much safer for everybody concerned! Though I'd never ignore a boat that was in trouble, the only way I'd take somebody under tow would be to get them out of danger until a pro arrived. (Sorry, but I just don't want to take the chance of hurting somebody!) And, if I were to need a tow, I'd want somebody with the proper equipment and who knows exactly what they're doing on the other end of the line. Flame away, but I think towing is better left to the pros (Sea Tow, Tow Boat US, and experienced folks from the marinas). Silver Duck

11-01-2006, 09:31 AM	#26
Coolbreeze Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 332 Thanks: 0 Thanked 51 Times in 26 Posts	Well, I think a general rule of any boating, regardless of the size of the boat, is to anticipate problems and pmake a rough plan in your mind on how to ssafely resolve them. If you have a big boat, plan on thinking about someone who can help you with the potential problems associated with your big boat. I have small boats, so I bring all the required equipment for my boat, and that includes a paddle. I'm sure the crew of the mount have a plan for mechanical problems as well as other scenarios associated with that vessel.