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Old 05-24-2004, 12:27 PM   #1
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Angry Not a border war?

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"Hi Gang, Something is wrong with this group of threads. It doesn't matter where the person comes from...."
Oh? I respectfully disagree.

Last month, a poll of 16,000 drivers rated Massachusetts drivers the 50th-worst-state. "The worst of the worst".

http://www.iberkshires.com/story.php?story_id=13947

You may want to familiarize yourself with the "new" driving attitudes:

http://www.worcestermass.com/driving.shtml

On Winnipesaukee, they bring their driving "talents and attitudes" to us. It is a border war, and it has been brought to us.

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Old 05-24-2004, 08:46 PM   #2
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I've seen plenty of idiots with NH plates -- one hit me in Meredith last year. Perhaps you could stop the juvenile state bashing, really doesn't belong here.
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Old 05-24-2004, 09:28 PM   #3
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I've seen plenty of idiots with NH plates -- one hit me in Meredith last year.
Last year I did a litttle survey on who (ID'ed by plate) was more rude, MA or NH drivers. When I was in MA the majority of people who tailgated or cut me off were from MA. When in NH it was NH'ers, and about the same percentage too. Seemed to be more related to the density of cars per mile of road than anything else. People learn to be competitive in a competitive situation I'd guess ? Other than MA and NH plates, then next most frequent offenders were NY. Then again they're probably Yankee fans and so what else could you expect
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Old 05-25-2004, 07:39 AM   #4
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Default pointless MASS bashing

The so called survey referenced to preface the attack on individuals from Massachussetts was really no survey at all. It was an entertainment piece done by Speed Channel over a period of several weeks conducted clearly with tongue deeply in cheek.

It is unfortunate that this bashing must continually take place on this forum. It is apparent to me that a great number of the positive contributors that make this site so interesting are indeed from other states.

Having grown up in the seacoat region of New Hampshire, while vacationing for years in the Lakes & White Mountain Regional area, I have seen the best and worst of natives & tourists alike.

And my "anecdotal" take? By far the worst behavior I have seen over the years has been conducted by some of my own local Granite staters!

As many of you have pointed out, the tourism industry is a significant & permanent part of New Hampshire's economy. Many in this State realize and appreciate that fact.

I could go on & on with numerous examples of the fallacy of Madrasah's latest post, but it would be pointless, a waste of bandwidth and not likely to change anyone's mind. But let me leave you with an example of one of the many positive examples of the kindness and generosity of our tourist friends.

Like many New Hampshire natives, I love to enjoy the extensive snowmobile trail system we have here. In particular, the club I belong to in the Lakes area has an extensive and beautiful trail system, crossing land owned primarily by gracious local residents.

But who share the lions burden in maintaining these trails and running the club? Who shows up on a regular basis during th off season to blaze trails, fix bridges and negotiate with landowners? Who mans the hut during winter hours when they could be easily out enjoying the fruits of their passions with friends on the trail?

I'll give you a hint....they usually have a distinctive Boston accent!


I hope that I tend to judge people by their conduct and demeanor. Not by the license plate they happen to be sporting that particular time in their life.

I also like to believe that most of the good people that frequent this site tend to do the same, and not discriminate against me because I am fortunate to live, work & play in this beautiful neck of the woods.

As for the minority...oh well, time & the family friendly orientation of this site suggest that I quit writing while I am ahead!

See you all on the Lake this summer, we'll be the family from New Hampshire waving to all of our valued guests!
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Old 05-25-2004, 09:17 AM   #5
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I've seen plenty of idiots with NH plates -- one hit me in Meredith last year.
'Looking forward to the completion of your poll.


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The so called survey...was really no survey at all. It was an entertainment piece done by Speed Channel over a period of several weeks conducted clearly with tongue deeply in cheek.
Bash the 16,561-vote Speed Channel poll? OK.

How about this take from the Auto Insurance industry? (www.aba.com)
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"Apparently, drivers in Massachusetts aren’t quite as proficient as their peers in other states. Mr. Bernard Nelson cites statistics demonstrating that Mass drivers are involved in accidents at roughly twice the national rate and incur bodily injuries in those accidents at a rate of 35.5 injuries per 100 cars, a record high both in Massachusetts and the country. At the core of all this ineptitude behind the wheel are urban residents and high-risk drivers."
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Old 05-25-2004, 02:54 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by madrasahs

How about this take from the Auto Insurance industry? (www.aba.com)
ABA:
"The American Bankers Association
World-Class Solutions, Leadership and Advocacy Since 1875

Based in Washington, DC, the ABA represents banks of all sizes on issues of national importance for financial institutions and their customers. The ABA, founded in 1875, brings together all categories of banking institutions, including community, regional and money center banks and holding companies, as well as savings associations, trust companies and savings banks"


Unable to follow your link about "auto insurance" to the quote referenced in your message , please clarify.
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Old 05-25-2004, 07:49 PM   #7
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ABA:
"The American Bankers Association...Unable to follow your link about "auto insurance" to the quote referenced in your message , please clarify."
In HTML:

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache...-drivers&hl=en

I've shortened it to: http://snipurl.com/6o0x

Also available as a .pdf file:

http://www.aba<br /> .com/NR/rdonly...03WEEKLY92.pdf

It's a long article: get some coffee. Or...

Press Ctrl+F, type in worst, plus Alt+F until the subject paragraph turns up.

It can also be found in Google: type in "Massachusetts, worst-drivers". Click onto the 2nd page...look for "in Atlanta" -- three entries above "Dave Barry's Blogsite". If that gives any trouble, there are 746 other entries in Google to read.

It's entertaining -- especially Florida-based Humorist Dave Barry's Blog. He's outraged!!!! Florida should have "won" the "Worst Drivers Award" -- not Massachusetts.

Example: "Florida drivers wait until you get into focus, then they pull out in front of you."

(Of course, Florida boaters don't have such a great record, either).
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Old 05-26-2004, 08:21 AM   #8
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Default And this all has exactly what to do with Winnie?

Survey says!?

Not much!
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Old 05-26-2004, 09:04 AM   #9
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Default To sum up

NH gov. signs anti-skimming law into effect
NH no longer Live Free or Die
Massachusetts to blame
NH was once Massachusetts
Massachusetts still to blame
"good" and "conservative republican" all in one sentence??? Yikes! (statement ignored in thread, thankfully)
Massachusetts bashing is old
Massachusetts to blame for bashing
Massachusetts drivers are bad
NH drivers just as bad
No, Massachusetts drivers are the worst (questionable statistics referenced)
What does this have to do with Lake? "Not much"
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Old 05-26-2004, 09:09 AM   #10
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Funny ITD! This thread did get a bit off topic, but it has been very entertaining.
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Old 05-26-2004, 10:14 AM   #11
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Arrow We did -- and didn't -- get off topic. Look at Bear Guy's title:

Benson Signs Anti-Skimming Law, a.k.a. MA vs. NH

(There were actually 40 messages -~ quadruple what ITD found).

The link works: http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cach...t-drivers&hl=en, page 3.

Hazards are where they find you -- even at Winnipesaukee.

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Old 05-26-2004, 10:26 AM   #12
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We did -- and didn't -- get off topic. Look at Bear Guy's title: Benson Signs Anti-Skimming Law, a.k.a. MA vs. NH
Touché, so he did.
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Old 05-26-2004, 10:44 AM   #13
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Default Too subtle humor

Good catch madrasahs. In fact, I edited the title of my original post on Tuesday 5/25 from the original Benson Signs Anti-Skimming Law, which is reflected in the Thread title. I added a.k.a. MA vs. NH??? after border bashing ran rampant. This change was a subtle comment on the direction the thread discussion took from my original post, which was only intended to make forum users aware of recent news headlines.
(I was really hoping the whole thread title would change with my edit.)
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Old 05-26-2004, 11:08 AM   #14
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I think we strayed, but it was entertaining. I tried to catch the essence of the thread in my last post, so people would not have to go throught the whole thread, sorry if I missed any important points.



How about those Red Sox?
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Old 05-27-2004, 12:52 PM   #15
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I think we strayed, but it was entertaining. I tried to catch the essence of the thread in my last post, so people would not have to go throught the whole thread, sorry if I missed any important points.



How about those Red Sox?
Oh boy,,, Now you've gone and done it.

Bear Guy will have to rename this thread to:

"Benson Signs Anti-Skimming Law, a.k.a. MA vs. NH???, a.k.a Sox vs. Yanks.

Now to your question about "how about those Red Sox?
Answer: Wait till next year.

ToW

P.S. I'm a Sox fan but also a pessimist.
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