Kimball Castle Fire

[Glendale Girl]

https://www.wmur.com/article/kimball...-fire/65910879

[Mr. V]

It will be interesting to see what the fire investigators conclude caused this fire.

[Descant]

What a shame. In the early 60's the Gilford Historic Society had a one day open house. Beaurtiful hand carved furntture among other things. Apparently the Trsutees sold whaterver they could and eventaually the trusdt disolved. In the late 1990's, there was an effort to renovate and become a country inn. My son, age 11, loved castles and bought a couple of shares, so we got another tour then. That fell apart and he got his money back.

[Winilyme]

What was the current state of the structure? Was it being used or were there any recent plans for it?

[Weekend Pundit]

Originally Posted by Winilyme

What was the current state of the structure? Was it being used or were there any recent plans for it?

Quite a bit of work had been done to ensure the structural integrity of the castle. I know the owners had plans for a full restoration but it seems work had been stalled for a while. It didn't help that the owners divorced an unknown amount of time ago which might have delayed some of the restoration plans. They did a wonderful job restoring the 'cottage' a few years back.

There have been problems with intruders in the castle pretty consistently over the past few years.

[WinnisquamZ]

Insurance fraud can’t be ruled out. It reads terrible, but


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[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Insurance fraud can’t be ruled out. It reads terrible, but


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But only fraud if the Castle had an active policy.....

[tis]

It's sad to lose a part of our history. As kids, we were always excited when my father brought us out in the boat to see the castle.

[ishoot308]

According to the news report it says "the floors ceilings and roof collapsed in the fire"...Correct me if I'm wrong but the floors ceilings and roof have been collapsed for many years or did the new owners actually get that far in renovations??...

The pictures I am seeing on the news look exactly the way I last remember seeing it a few years ago...

Dan

[chachee52]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

According to the news report it says "the floors ceilings and roof collapsed in the fire"...Correct me if I'm wrong but the floors ceilings and roof have been collapsed for many years or did the new owners actually get that far in renovations??...

The pictures I am seeing on the news look exactly the way I last remember seeing it a few years ago...

Dan

Haven't been up there since I was a teen, but a number of years back TAPs (Ghost Hunters) TV show was there, and they were walking around it, so I would say that there was still floors there at that point. All I remember is that it was a super rainy night when they were there.

Found a clip of the TV show: https://youtu.be/S0ybAHL6c4Q?si=qaMd_FiINSFhrgV9

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[codeman671]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

According to the news report it says "the floors ceilings and roof collapsed in the fire"...Correct me if I'm wrong but the floors ceilings and roof have been collapsed for many years or did the new owners actually get that far in renovations??...

The pictures I am seeing on the news look exactly the way I last remember seeing it a few years ago...

Dan

We looked at it quite a few years ago when it was on the market, it was a wreck then. There were some shaky stairs going up to the second floor and a catwalk around, but nothing I would dare walk on. There is no roof except for one turret that had a small one left. Daresay it was ready for a wrecking ball then, I can't imagine it has gotten any better!

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by codeman671

We looked at it quite a few years ago when it was on the market, it was a wreck then. There were some shaky stairs going up to the second floor and a catwalk around, but nothing I would dare walk on. There is no roof except for one turret that had a small one left. Daresay it was ready for a wrecking ball then, I can't imagine it has gotten any better!

That's pretty much exactly how I remember it! I definitely remember no roof at all!

Dan

[codeman671]

They didn't waste any time; it has already been leveled. Just a pile of rubble now.

[tis]

Originally Posted by codeman671

They didn't waste any time; it has already been leveled. Just a pile of rubble now.

Wow, really? That's sad.

[Weekend Pundit]

Originally Posted by codeman671

They didn't waste any time; it has already been leveled. Just a pile of rubble now.

What was left was unsound now that the interior support was gone. Once the State Fire Marshal had finished examining the wreckage as part of their investigation it was knocked down as per the Building Inspector's recommendation as what was left of the castle was very unstable.The last thing anyone needed was for some curiosity seeker to be hurt or killed while poking around inside.

[thinkxingu]

Though I never thought it was a beautiful design to begin with (very flat and angular), homes like this (and Castle in the Clouds, etc.) just aren't built anymore.

It's terrible to lose history like this and sad to know there was nobody, or no organization, to keep it alive.

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[BroadHopper]

Back in the 70s after the auction, a multimillionaire offered to renovate the place to its former glory and will it to the trust for future use. The only thing he ask was to live in it until death. Of course, the estate says no. It's a damn shame.

[Riviera]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Back in the 70s after the auction, a multimillionaire offered to renovate the place to its former glory and will it to the trust for future use. The only thing he ask was to live in it until death. Of course, the estate says no. It's a damn shame.

I can’t speak to the multimillionaire, but the trust and estate issues were (and are) much more complex. Originally, Lockes Hill and the castle property were deeded by Kimball heirs to a public trust, with the stipulation that both be open to the public in perpetuity. The trust ran out of funding for maintenance, and tried to give control to the Town, in exchange for funding. The Town declined the offer. Ultimately, the State Atty General (who oversees trusts) granted approval for a private sale of the castle property (excluding the Lockes Hill land), subject to a restoration plan for an Inn that would be open to the public. The owners of the Red Hill Inn acquired the property, and sought investors for the renovation, including a long (and expensive) new driveway off Route 11. The residential structure was to be a caretakers facility. The restoration plan wasn’t economically viable, and eventually the property sold to somebody else.

The issue is that the stipulation to restore the castle, and make it open to the public, still exists. Further, the entirety of the property (not just the castle) is subject to the National Register of Historic Places, which is administered by the State Office of Historic Preservation. Under the laws, if more than an acre of land is disturbed, an EPA Stormwater Permit is required, which triggers approval requirements from the State Office of Historic Preservation. That approval can be long and arduous, with unknown standards to gain approval. (Same issue with the Weirs Drive In). There is a lot more to the story, but the quick synopsis above is reasonable summary.

Ultimately, the owner of the property is going to need to deal with both the Trust stipulations imposed by the State AG, along with historic issues, if they ever want to use the property for much other than a caretakers residence, particularly if they want to disturb more than an acre of land. It will most probably never be developed for private use beyond the caretakers home. A use open to the public is plausible, but the State is going to impose some pain, particularly given that private ownership let the castle fall into such a state of disrepair.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Riviera

I can’t speak to the multimillionaire, but the trust and estate issues were (and are) much more complex. Originally, Lockes Hill and the castle property were deeded by Kimball heirs to a public trust, with the stipulation that both be open to the public in perpetuity. The trust ran out of funding for maintenance, and tried to give control to the Town, in exchange for funding. The Town declined the offer. Ultimately, the State Atty General (who oversees trusts) granted approval for a private sale of the castle property (excluding the Lockes Hill land), subject to a restoration plan for an Inn that would be open to the public. The owners of the Red Hill Inn acquired the property, and sought investors for the renovation, including a long (and expensive) new driveway off Route 11. The residential structure was to be a caretakers facility. The restoration plan wasn’t economically viable, and eventually the property sold to somebody else.

The issue is that the stipulation to restore the castle, and make it open to the public, still exists. Further, the entirety of the property (not just the castle) is subject to the National Register of Historic Places, which is administered by the State Office of Historic Preservation. Under the laws, if more than an acre of land is disturbed, an EPA Stormwater Permit is required, which triggers approval requirements from the State Office of Historic Preservation. That approval can be long and arduous, with unknown standards to gain approval. (Same issue with the Weirs Drive In). There is a lot more to the story, but the quick synopsis above is reasonable summary.

Ultimately, the owner of the property is going to need to deal with both the Trust stipulations imposed by the State AG, along with historic issues, if they ever want to use the property for much other than a caretakers residence, particularly if they want to disturb more than an acre of land. It will most probably never be developed for private use beyond the caretakers home. A use open to the public is plausible, but the State is going to impose some pain, particularly given that private ownership let the castle fall into such a state of disrepair.

Who would want to go through all that? It's hard enough to get permitting without all that extra.