Waterfront Leases

Woodsy · 01-26-2007, 11:30 AM

It is not that the Laconia intake is upstream from Irwins... it is downstream from Channel Marine... LOL!!

I gotta say I am pretty torn on this issue... its a no win.

Woodsy

LIforrelaxin · 01-26-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsy

I gotta say I am pretty torn on this issue... its a no win.

Woodsy

Well I must say I am with Woodsy on this issue....I can see both sides...

I do wonder how heated this debate will get...certainly there are many areas where this is an issue.

Also can someone answer me this...As you drive along through area where the road is next to a Lake with house on the other side, do they fall into the same issue? or is this simply a RR right of way issue? I am guessing that they might but I really don't know

Puck · 01-26-2007, 12:52 PM

I'm not why but it is different for roads. I think it may by related to the fact that many rail lines were in place long before the roads were. Some state highway road beds are owned by the state. In those instances NH DOT may simply give permission to a land owner to put a dock in. I do not know why a lease is not required, but it is not at this time. In other instances such as Rte 3 along Winnisquam the state highway is a built on a right of way over private lands and since the frontage is still privately held, no permission is needed from NH DOT to obtain a dock permit through DES. Towns may choose to lease their land or not at their own discretion.

onthebay · 01-26-2007, 01:03 PM

I found the executive council minutes regarding this issue.

"#111 FAILED – Councilor Hollingworth, Councilor Wieczorek and Councilor Pignatelli voted no, the request of the Bureau of Rail & Transit to enter into a lease agreement for a parcel of land with private pedestrian crossing with Raymond Spinosa, Woburn, MA, on the State-owned Concord to Lincoln Railroad Line in Laconia for $1,300 per year failed. Effective upon G&C approval through December 31, 2011"

In the same meeting they aproved 3 other waterfront issues although not related to leasing land.

#69 Authorized Skiffington Homes’ request to repair an existing breakwater with a gap at the shoreline and replace two piles supporting an existing pier connected to a piling pier by a walkway in a “U” configuration, and install a permanent, piling supported boatlift in the center slip of an existing “U” shaped docking facility on property located at Lake Winnipesaukee in Gilford.

#70 Authorized Theodore Goodlander’s request to amend permit to add a seasonal canopy over two outer boat slips and reconstruct a failing beach wall on property located at Lake Winnipesaukee in Gilford (previously approved by G&C on 8-23-06).

#71 Authorized Patricia Drive Association’s request to reconfigure an existing 10 slip permanent docking facility and relocate existing rock navigational hazard easterly of frontage on property located at Lake Winnipesaukee in Meredith.

onthebay · 01-26-2007, 01:16 PM

I checked the Decemeber 12th meeting minutes and they authorized the buiding of two dug in boat houses. I thought these were no longer going to be approved. I wonder if it has to do with who you are and where on the lake you are.

#91 Authorize with Councilor Spaulding and Councilor Pignatelli voting no, Moore to the Point Revocable Trust’s request to dredge lakebed and excavate shoreline to construct a dug in boathouse, reset 6 boulders on the existing breakwater, and install two bumper piles adjacent to the walkway to the dock on frontage on property located at the Lake Winnipesaukee in Alton.

#92 Authorize with Councilor Spaulding and Councilor Pignatelli voting no, Michael & Wendy Tata’s request to remove abandoned crib material, deck, and a seasonal pier; dredge lakebed, excavate shoreline, and temporarily disturb bank and shoreline to construct a dug-in boathouse with 3 interior slips on frontage on property located on Advent Cove at Lake Winnipesaukee in Meredith.

lakershaker · 01-26-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

Also can someone answer me this...As you drive along through area where the road is next to a Lake with house on the other side, do they fall into the same issue? or is this simply a RR right of way issue? I am guessing that they might but I really don't know

That is an interesting point. In Gilford along Rt. 11 near Ames Farm, that road used to be the RR, but the homeowners own the land where their boathouses and docks are. When the RR was turned into the highway, maybe the state officially transfered ownership of the waterfront?

01-26-2007, 01:03 PM	#4
onthebay Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Executive Council Minutes I found the executive council minutes regarding this issue. "#111 FAILED – Councilor Hollingworth, Councilor Wieczorek and Councilor Pignatelli voted no, the request of the Bureau of Rail & Transit to enter into a lease agreement for a parcel of land with private pedestrian crossing with Raymond Spinosa, Woburn, MA, on the State-owned Concord to Lincoln Railroad Line in Laconia for $1,300 per year failed. Effective upon G&C approval through December 31, 2011" In the same meeting they aproved 3 other waterfront issues although not related to leasing land. #69 Authorized Skiffington Homes’ request to repair an existing breakwater with a gap at the shoreline and replace two piles supporting an existing pier connected to a piling pier by a walkway in a “U” configuration, and install a permanent, piling supported boatlift in the center slip of an existing “U” shaped docking facility on property located at Lake Winnipesaukee in Gilford. #70 Authorized Theodore Goodlander’s request to amend permit to add a seasonal canopy over two outer boat slips and reconstruct a failing beach wall on property located at Lake Winnipesaukee in Gilford (previously approved by G&C on 8-23-06). #71 Authorized Patricia Drive Association’s request to reconfigure an existing 10 slip permanent docking facility and relocate existing rock navigational hazard easterly of frontage on property located at Lake Winnipesaukee in Meredith.

01-26-2007, 01:16 PM	#5
onthebay Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Executive Council Minutes I checked the Decemeber 12th meeting minutes and they authorized the buiding of two dug in boat houses. I thought these were no longer going to be approved. I wonder if it has to do with who you are and where on the lake you are. #91 Authorize with Councilor Spaulding and Councilor Pignatelli voting no, Moore to the Point Revocable Trust’s request to dredge lakebed and excavate shoreline to construct a dug in boathouse, reset 6 boulders on the existing breakwater, and install two bumper piles adjacent to the walkway to the dock on frontage on property located at the Lake Winnipesaukee in Alton. #92 Authorize with Councilor Spaulding and Councilor Pignatelli voting no, Michael & Wendy Tata’s request to remove abandoned crib material, deck, and a seasonal pier; dredge lakebed, excavate shoreline, and temporarily disturb bank and shoreline to construct a dug-in boathouse with 3 interior slips on frontage on property located on Advent Cove at Lake Winnipesaukee in Meredith.

01-26-2007, 11:30 AM	#1
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,968 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	It is not that the Laconia intake is upstream from Irwins... it is downstream from Channel Marine... LOL!! I gotta say I am pretty torn on this issue... its a no win. Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

01-26-2007, 12:52 PM	#3
Puck Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Central NH Posts: 97 Thanks: 0 Thanked 78 Times in 20 Posts	I'm not why but it is different for roads. I think it may by related to the fact that many rail lines were in place long before the roads were. Some state highway road beds are owned by the state. In those instances NH DOT may simply give permission to a land owner to put a dock in. I do not know why a lease is not required, but it is not at this time. In other instances such as Rte 3 along Winnisquam the state highway is a built on a right of way over private lands and since the frontage is still privately held, no permission is needed from NH DOT to obtain a dock permit through DES. Towns may choose to lease their land or not at their own discretion.