Boating certificate for out of towner?

Skip · 04-16-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HomeWood

Thanks for the replies. In NC you don't have to have any safety certificate. Jump in and go. I'm 27, so I guess I need one in NH. I'll see if something is offered here, it would be a good thing to get anyway. The boat I got is a 2006 Tracker deep vee hull fishing boat. It's a side console with a 60 hp Mercury. It's got live wells, storage, all that stuff.

Today is your lucky day!

North Carolina offers the on-line boater education certificate program through Boat-Ed, the same Company that offers its services to the State of New Hampshire. This course is NASBLA certified and the certificate you receive is honored here in New Hampshire.

And while you don't need a certificate to operate in your State under your conditions, North Carolina still offers the course and certificate to better educate its boaters and the State hints that you may be eligible for an in state insurance discount!

It gets even better! You can take the course on-line (after careful studying, of course) and get your certificate for a mere $20!!!!

So, when you come to New Hampshire (and many other States) you'll have the necessary certificate in hand and be ready to relax!

HERE is the website you need to navigate to and start on the path of securing your certificate!

Good luck and welcome to boating up here in our fine State, we'll be glad to have you!

HomeWood · 04-16-2007, 10:08 PM

Thanks ya'll. Very helpfull info Skip, I appreciate it. I'm not new to the lake. I've been going to the grandparents place in Moultonborough since I was born and we have boats there also. Old ones, but they work. "Lake Geezer" is just a few doors down actually and I met up with him this winter while fishing the Rotary derby. I'm definately going to take that course online. Thanks again. Hopefully I can make it up this summer. I have some favorite fishing spots.

Kamper · 04-17-2007, 05:22 PM

On line certificates issued after December 31, 2006 are not honorred in NH,

Paugus Bay Resident · 04-17-2007, 05:36 PM

I believe only results of proctored exams are valid. You can take the course on-line, but the exam portion needs to be proctored.

Skip · 04-17-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Paugus Bay Resident

I believe only results of proctored exams are valid. You can take the course on-line, but the exam portion needs to be proctored.

New Hampshire has painted itself in to a corner with its recent change in boater education rules. As we are all aware, effective the begining of this year you can still take the boater safety course on-line, but you must take a proctored exam to receive your certificate.

Also, the on line course is still being hosted by Boat-ed, a NASBLA certified course instructor.

The fly in the ointment is that the other 35 states that require a safe boating certificate also contract on-line with Boat-ed and each of those other 35 states still allow and honor the on-line certificate testing process! These other 35 states offer reciprocity with each other & the State of New Hampshire.

So, what does the NHMP do now? It clearly requires New Hampshire residents to take a proctored exam but it has no ability to dictate how other States grant their certificates other than to require the originating source is NASBLA approved. Additionally (if everyone remembers) many individuals received certificates in New Hampshire that has "source: internet" stamped on it, while others (like me) did not.

Further aggravating the situation is that a number of States the we have reciprocity with do not indicate the source of the license on the license itself, and unlike motor vehicle licenses there is no nationwide database that an MP can check!

My best and only advice to Homewood is to call Captain Mark Gallagher at New Hampshire Marine Patrol HQ and get the State's policy for dealing with out-of-state licenses directly from the source.

Captain Gallagher can be reached at: 603-293-2037

In the interim I will also see if I can find out what the NHMP policy will be regarding this issue.

Very interesting!

Airwaves · 04-17-2007, 06:51 PM

Or, as I posted above, you could take a USPS or USCGAUX course, those certificates are good nationally in states where a certificate is required.

offmycloud · 04-18-2007, 09:09 AM

Does anyone know if that "source: internet" thing on the certificate changes the validity of the certificate at all? Do we have to take another test eventually? I just checked and mine has that. Everyone I know rushed to do the internet so they wouldn't have to waste a day at the proctored exam.
Thanks!

NonVoting Taxpayer · 04-18-2007, 09:53 AM

I know New Hampshire no longer offers the online course but will they definitely not accept another states online certificate? Don't remember that ever being addressed when they changed the rules in New hampshire.

KonaChick · 04-18-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by offmycloud

Does anyone know if that "source: internet" thing on the certificate changes the validity of the certificate at all? Do we have to take another test eventually? I just checked and mine has that. Everyone I know rushed to do the internet so they wouldn't have to waste a day at the proctored exam.
Thanks!

I think that as long as the test was taken and passed on or before Dec. 31, 2006 then it's still valid even though the source on your certificate says "internet" as mine also does. One other question..if NH recognizes other states online exams why can't someone from NH just go to the website of that state and take their online test? Do you have to be a resident of that state to take their test?? Is this a "blonde" question? ( no offense to anyone! - I'm blonde). Skip??

WeirsBeachBoater · 04-18-2007, 10:08 AM

That the online versions from other states are NOT valid. Skip probably can site the RSA.

HomeWood · 04-18-2007, 10:26 AM

Great info Skip! I just got back from the ins. agent and she said that I would have gotten a discount if I had already taken a course. I can still get a credit after I take a course in the future. For the 4 days we wanted to be at the lake, it may not be worth the hassle of getting a NH certificate. I guess I can just use the row boat with the 6hp to go fishing. The online course here is $20 I think, the ins. agent looked it up for me.

NonVoting Taxpayer · 04-18-2007, 10:30 AM

I still don't read where other state online certificates are not valid. Online references seem to be only dealing with New Hampshire administered courses.

The section dealing with other state certificates only reads, they will accept "A National Association of State Boating Law Administrators–approved course and examination from another state."

Don · 04-18-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by NonVoting Taxpayer

I still don't read where other state online certificates are not valid.

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Originally Posted by 270-D:15 Certificate Not Required

A person shall not be required to obtain a certificate of boating safety education if the person holds a certificate from any state indicating successful completion of boating safety education that meets or exceeds the requirements of this subdivision, a certificate from the United States Coast Guard Auxiliary, or a certificate from the United States Power Squadron.

I think that the key phrase in the law is "that meets or exceeds the requirements of this subdivision". Since an online course no longer meets the requirements in NH any certificate obtained online in other states wouldn't meet or exceed the NH requirements.

That also explains why online certificates issued in other states before 1/1/07 do qualify since the NH law also allows them.

Please correct me if I misinterpreted this.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...D/270-D-15.htm

mattmike · 04-18-2007, 02:11 PM

I am a little confused. Can I take an online course from another state through Boat-ed and have it valid here in NH. Does anyone know for sure?

Mee-n-Mac · 04-18-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mattmike

I am a little confused. Can I take an online course from another state through Boat-ed and have it valid here in NH. Does anyone know for sure?

I think Don has the "official answer" above. That said, if you get a SBC (or got one after 1/1/2007) online via another state, it's questionable whether NH could know it was via an online test. Some people have stated their NH SBC is marked "online" but I don't know that one from other states is marked that way as well. I'll guess they're all dated, no matter what state issues the SBC. Perhaps someone with an out-of-state SBC taken via the InterNet will let us know what it says on theirs.

What are the other 35 states Skip mentioned that NH recognizes ?

Gavia immer · 04-18-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mattmike

I am a little confused. Can I take an online course from another state through Boat-ed and have it valid here in NH. Does anyone know for sure?

I'm a little confused too, and don't know if anyone else knows for sure, either.

But if I'm wrong and stopped by the Marine Patrol, I intend to invoke the phrase, "Ignorance of the law is a pretty good excuse."

Airwaves · 04-18-2007, 07:44 PM

According to the Boat/US site:

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NEW HAMPSHIRE NO LONGER ACCEPTS INTERNET COURSES FOR THIER EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS. YOU MUST TAKE A PROCTORED TEST FROM AN APPROVED PROVIDER.

So I would take that to mean that NH no longer recognizes any new certificates (post 1/1/07) given via internet from any state or Boat/US.

wehatetoquitit · 04-18-2007, 09:56 PM

I have a cert. issued in CA. nothing on it about online course. Before I took the cert test I checked with the NHMP and was told that as long as it was NASBLA approved it would be OK. Mine has NASBLA stamp on the back. Guess there is only one way to be sure though.

Phantom · 04-19-2007, 06:37 AM

I believe everyone is stating their "opinion" as to how they interpret the change in NH law.

Not that it matters for us (we all have NH certs), but I can see through the thread all different "interpretations" --- has anyone actually called and asked the question. And in so doing being VERY specific about the question so as not to get "legal doubletalk" ???

I believe in another thread there was a MP captains phone #

At this point I'm now getting curious as to what I tell friends.

mudpuppy · 04-20-2007, 07:25 PM

What on line course did you take? I live in Orange County, CA and have a condo on winni. I am looking for a class to take out here that is good in NH.

Thanks,
Mud

tricia1218 · 04-21-2007, 09:29 AM

The test was on-line until Jan 1, after that I believe you have to take a class, and then the test.

wehatetoquitit · 04-21-2007, 02:27 PM

Mudpuppy:

I took the course given by "boat-ed" administered by NASBlA, it was a good on-line course. The tests for NH are still on line, however they are practice only. For the cert. in NH you have to take a proctored exam. As I said in an earlier post. I checked with the MP in Laconia, and the lady who answered the phone, said as long as it was a NASBLA course it would be OK. I guess I will not know for sure unless I am stopped.

04-18-2007, 09:53 AM	#8
NonVoting Taxpayer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 98 Thanks: 3 Thanked 24 Times in 10 Posts	Other State Certificate I know New Hampshire no longer offers the online course but will they definitely not accept another states online certificate? Don't remember that ever being addressed when they changed the rules in New hampshire.

04-18-2007, 10:08 AM	#10
WeirsBeachBoater Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 709 Blog Entries: 9 Thanks: 39 Thanked 148 Times in 65 Posts	I think That the online versions from other states are NOT valid. Skip probably can site the RSA.

04-18-2007, 10:30 AM	#12
NonVoting Taxpayer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 98 Thanks: 3 Thanked 24 Times in 10 Posts	Online courses I still don't read where other state online certificates are not valid. Online references seem to be only dealing with New Hampshire administered courses. The section dealing with other state certificates only reads, they will accept "A National Association of State Boating Law Administrators–approved course and examination from another state."

04-19-2007, 06:37 AM	#19
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	I believe everyone is stating their "opinion" as to how they interpret the change in NH law. Not that it matters for us (we all have NH certs), but I can see through the thread all different "interpretations" --- has anyone actually called and asked the question. And in so doing being VERY specific about the question so as not to get "legal doubletalk" ??? I believe in another thread there was a MP captains phone # At this point I'm now getting curious as to what I tell friends. __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*

04-20-2007, 07:25 PM	#20
mudpuppy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wehatetoquitit What on line course did you take? I live in Orange County, CA and have a condo on winni. I am looking for a class to take out here that is good in NH. Thanks, Mud

04-16-2007, 10:08 PM	#2
HomeWood Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Clayton,NC / Sanbornton,NH Posts: 611 Thanks: 126 Thanked 137 Times in 75 Posts	Thanks ya'll. Very helpfull info Skip, I appreciate it. I'm not new to the lake. I've been going to the grandparents place in Moultonborough since I was born and we have boats there also. Old ones, but they work. "Lake Geezer" is just a few doors down actually and I met up with him this winter while fishing the Rotary derby. I'm definately going to take that course online. Thanks again. Hopefully I can make it up this summer. I have some favorite fishing spots.

04-17-2007, 05:22 PM	#3
Kamper Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Thornton's Ferry Posts: 1,312 Thanks: 67 Thanked 172 Times in 128 Posts	On line certificates issued after December 31, 2006 are not honorred in NH,

04-17-2007, 05:36 PM	#4
Paugus Bay Resident Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Gilmanton, NH Posts: 754 Thanks: 136 Thanked 93 Times in 51 Posts	I believe only results of proctored exams are valid. You can take the course on-line, but the exam portion needs to be proctored.

04-17-2007, 06:51 PM	#6
Airwaves Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: I'm right here! Posts: 1,153 Thanks: 9 Thanked 102 Times in 37 Posts	Or, as I posted above, you could take a USPS or USCGAUX course, those certificates are good nationally in states where a certificate is required.

04-18-2007, 09:09 AM	#7
offmycloud Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chicago IL and Moultonborough Posts: 165 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Does anyone know if that "source: internet" thing on the certificate changes the validity of the certificate at all? Do we have to take another test eventually? I just checked and mine has that. Everyone I know rushed to do the internet so they wouldn't have to waste a day at the proctored exam. Thanks!

04-18-2007, 10:26 AM	#11
HomeWood Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Clayton,NC / Sanbornton,NH Posts: 611 Thanks: 126 Thanked 137 Times in 75 Posts	Great info Skip! I just got back from the ins. agent and she said that I would have gotten a discount if I had already taken a course. I can still get a credit after I take a course in the future. For the 4 days we wanted to be at the lake, it may not be worth the hassle of getting a NH certificate. I guess I can just use the row boat with the 6hp to go fishing. The online course here is $20 I think, the ins. agent looked it up for me.

04-18-2007, 02:11 PM	#14
mattmike Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am a little confused. Can I take an online course from another state through Boat-ed and have it valid here in NH. Does anyone know for sure?

04-18-2007, 09:56 PM	#18
wehatetoquitit Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: California in Winter, Bear Island in Summer Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have a cert. issued in CA. nothing on it about online course. Before I took the cert test I checked with the NHMP and was told that as long as it was NASBLA approved it would be OK. Mine has NASBLA stamp on the back. Guess there is only one way to be sure though.

04-21-2007, 09:29 AM	#21
tricia1218 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: MA/Paugus Bay Posts: 155 Thanks: 31 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	The test was on-line until Jan 1, after that I believe you have to take a class, and then the test.

04-21-2007, 02:27 PM	#22
wehatetoquitit Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: California in Winter, Bear Island in Summer Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mudpuppy: I took the course given by "boat-ed" administered by NASBlA, it was a good on-line course. The tests for NH are still on line, however they are practice only. For the cert. in NH you have to take a proctored exam. As I said in an earlier post. I checked with the MP in Laconia, and the lady who answered the phone, said as long as it was a NASBLA course it would be OK. I guess I will not know for sure unless I am stopped.