Lake Gas

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

The refining capacity is lower than the current demand.Tell Al Gore and similar thinking leaders to stop halting refinery growth or this problem will only get worse as we consume more and more.Either that or take his advice and not his lead by riding a bike to work.

Refining Capacity being lower the current demand has been the oil companies defense for a long time.... I still don't believe it. I will agree that at peak usuage point this is true, However there are several points during the year where there is low demand, and instead of the refineries keeping the production up they cut back, this is unneccesary and the reason, that they claim that there are shortages.... sure we do need more refinary development to help out with production so that the current refineriess aren't always at 100 production, but we also need the unfair practices of the oil and refining companies to stop.... The industry as a hole has to much control and as long as they colaborate with each other have a Monopoly....

[SIKSUKR]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

Refining Capacity being lower the current demand has been the oil companies defense for a long time.... I still don't believe it. I will agree that at peak usuage point this is true, However there are several points during the year where there is low demand, and instead of the refineries keeping the production up they cut back, this is unneccesary and the reason, that they claim that there are shortages.... sure we do need more refinary development to help out with production so that the current refineriess aren't always at 100 production, but we also need the unfair practices of the oil and refining companies to stop.... The industry as a hole has to much control and as long as they colaborate with each other have a Monopoly....

You can believe what you want.Maybe the conspiracy theory,yea that's it.They're out to get us!Simple economics,supply and demand.Am I happy about it? No but we still have the cheapest gas in the whole western world.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

You can believe what you want.Maybe the conspiracy theory,yea that's it.They're out to get us!Simple economics,supply and demand.Am I happy about it? No but we still have the cheapest gas in the whole western world.

I fully agree with you that we have the cheapest gas in the Western World, and I have never whined about the price. What I do argue about is the yo yo effect that the prices go through every year, because the supply is supposedly short. Then when the gas companies see there revenue going down the prices suddenly drop... But they never drop as quickly as they go up.... I also wouldn't mind the yo yo effect of prices if I was paying for the expensive barrel of oil when the gas from that barrel hit the market.... but I pay a high price for a gallon of gas when the barrell that made that gas was 10 to 20 dollars cheaper.... Plain and simple the oil companies are taking advantage of thier situation..... the question is when do they abuse thier advantage, and currently I feel that they are abusing the situation.... I don't have a problem paying a higher price for gas but when the prices swings around the way it has over the last several years, and the Oil and Gas companies are making RECORD BREAKING profits, I do get angry.......

[Sunbeam lodge]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

You can believe what you want.Maybe the conspiracy theory,yea that's it.They're out to get us!Simple economics,supply and demand.Am I happy about it? No but we still have the cheapest gas in the whole western world.

Yes, we do have the cheapest gas. But in England where gas is $6.00 per gallon 80% is for taxes. So they pay at the pump for services that the state provides.
Our gas is not taxed as high but I would bet that our Federal and state taxes pay for many services that Europe's gas tax provides.
It is like saying N.H has no state employment tax or sales tax . We have the lowest taxes in the country. Not when you figure we have the highest real estate taxes.

[robmac]

your correct,ethanol reaches a saturation and drops to the bottom of your tank then getting picked up and put onto your fuel delivery system. First thing most boaters notice is an idling problem then stalling.Make sure your changing those fuel filters twice as often if you've run ethanol enriched fuel

[Steve Di.]

I guess the same would apply to our cars.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by robmac

your correct,ethanol reaches a saturation and drops to the bottom of your tank then getting picked up and put onto your fuel delivery system. First thing most boaters notice is an idling problem then stalling.Make sure your changing those fuel filters twice as often if you've run ethanol enriched fuel

As I recall from various threads,etc last Summer, gas with Ethanol is also a no-no for boats with fiberglass fuel tanks. Something about the Ethanol congealing, or something like that. We were VERY relieved to open the flooring of our boat to find a stainless tank...

[robmac]

MJM,what happens is the ethanol reaches a saturation point(its maximun absorption of water) and settles at the bottom of your fuel tank.That is where it gets picked up and put into the engine causing damage.It isn't as big a problem for automobile because of the change over of fuel(how quickly you burn a tank of fuel)and auto manufacturers still recommend upping how offten you change your fuel filter,if you go too long you'll find a grey mucus like substance it the filter which is the saturated ethanol

[jetskier]

Originally Posted by MJM

As I recall from various threads,etc last Summer, gas with Ethanol is also a no-no for boats with fiberglass fuel tanks. Something about the Ethanol congealing, or something like that. We were VERY relieved to open the flooring of our boat to find a stainless tank...

Hi MJM,

You are correct. There is a deterioration of older fiberglass gas tanks due to ethanol. . The other problem is that ethanol is hygroscopic (likes water) and will absorb water. That is why it is recommended that the tank be topped for storage.

Hope this helps.

Jetskier


http://www.boatus.com/Seaworthy/fueltest.asp

[ossipeeboater]

Originally Posted by Sunbeam lodge

Yes, we do have the cheapest gas. But in England where gas is $6.00 per gallon 80% is for taxes. So they pay at the pump for services that the state provides.
Our gas is not taxed as high but I would bet that our Federal and state taxes pay for many services that Europe's gas tax provides.
It is like saying N.H has no state employment tax or sales tax . We have the lowest taxes in the country. Not when you figure we have the highest real estate taxes.

even figuring real estate taxes we still end up among the lowest. RE taxes are high but I pay less between 2 houses here in NH than I would with 1 house and the income and property taxes of any of our neighboring states.

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...005/index.html

[Puck]

Why shouldn't the oil companies be allowed to charge whatever price the market will support? We have a market driven economy. That is what capitalism is. If we want cheaper gas, then we need to find a way to devalue it. Can you imagine what the first viable alternative to gas or the combustion powered vehicle would be worth? I don't understand why when it comes to gas we all spend so much time complaining about the price and so little on taking advantage of what could be an opportunity.

[Just Sold]

FYI Fay's was $3.40 yesterday.

Filler Up

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by ossipeeboater

even figuring real estate taxes we still end up among the lowest. RE taxes are high but I pay less between 2 houses here in NH than I would with 1 house and the income and property taxes of any of our neighboring states.

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...005/index.html

I dunno how much truth this would hold. I pay only $300 less a year for my cottage taxes on a bldg, no land, that is only 410sqft, than I do for my 1600sqft home on 5500sqft of land in Rhode Island.

[Seadoo]

3.30 @ lakeport and expecting to go up

[boat_guy64]

$3.44 at Mountain View Yacht Club. $180 for a fill up. It was a beautiful day on the lake and worth every penny.