No Dogs at Boat Launch

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by onthebay

I never knew she even ran a business or was trying to advertise. You would have had to look up her profile to get that info.
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Just going on what you said here. This is a false statement. If you had read the thread as it unfolded you would have seen a link to click on. It was originally part of the signature. So I can only assume you read the thread after the link in the signature was removed. That's why I threw the comment your way. Sorry for that but it was the way I felt.

I guess I also took offense to your assertion that there were winners and losers in the argument. I don't feel that is the case. It was opinionated sure but then again isn't that what a debate is. If you read the thread which you say you did there were several individuals debating back and forth and all of a sudden you drop in your .02 calling some folks losers and basically poor sports. How are we to know that you have been "reading the posts throughout?" Should we just assume this? If you want to participate go right ahead but offer up an opinion and join the discussion. Sticking your nose in it kind of summarizes someone who just drops a comment in the latter end of a discussion offering no real information just inflammatory comments pointing to who won or who lost.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

"...A large percentage of these deaths were caused by coliform and parasites in their drinking water. As a society we spend billions every year to keep excrement out of our drinking water...

We spend billions to chlorinate our drinking water—something that was unnecessary some thirty-plus years ago for Lake Winnipesaukee when it was a "Class A" water supply. Chlorine adds its own problems to our drinking water—namely trihalomethanes—carcinogens. "Treated" sewage only delays the resurgence of bacteria.

We can only hope that individual septic systems will keep a high bacteria count from the lake. Other solutions haven't worked out so well—with Gilford's several spills into the lake, Alton's big spill, and Wolfeboro's looming spill into Back Bay. (And Mirror Lake).

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

"...But then some idiot lets junior in the lake with a diaper full, or decides the lake will take care of what Fido left behind...

Were beaches monitored 30-40 years ago? Diapers are only closing the beaches in recent years.

I'm reminded that in 1938 the United States only had one hurricane! (We didn't know of any other hurricanes because we weren't monitoring them—or naming them—as we do today.)

Tamworth's pristine shores were closed last summer, but it wasn't because dogs had overrun the beaches!

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

"...Forget about the big chemical companies, the polluters are in your mirror. One of the things about Winnipesaukee that is not beautiful is its bacteria count....

The polluters are in your mirror—true enough—but "pollution" itself is multi-sourced.

[Rose]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

This is a false statement. If you had read the thread as it unfolded you would have seen a link to click on.

In onthebays defense, I too followed this thread from the start and never saw the links. That's why I asked in post #91 if I was going blind. It's very easy to miss things, even if you're a frequent visitor to the forum. I check in at least 3 times a day...I had to find some other addiction after giving up cigarettes.

I'm going back to the weather threads now.

[onthebay]

Thanks Rose. I don't see as well as I used to either.
Lets just say for arguments sake (excuse me, discussions sake) it was there. It it still your point Hazelnut that Lilac went out of her way to get free publicity for her business or non business.
I think your problem is that I may have inadvertantly inferred that you were on the losing side of an argument (sorry, discussion) when that wasn't the case at all. Once it was proven LilacHill was wrong in her belief about the sign it seemed to "me" maybe others as well that there was some piling on.

[Skipper of the Sea Que]

Originally Posted by Rose

In onthebays defense, I too followed this thread from the start and never saw the links. That's why I asked in post #91 if I was going blind. ...I had to find some other addiction after giving up cigarettes.

Stay off the cigs, it's not easy. I know, I can't have just one. I'm a non practicing cig-aholic.

You're not going blind Rose. The link was there as part of Lilac's signature much like I have a Ham Radio Info link with my signature.

I saw the link to Lilac's Pit Bull boutique. When the link disappeared from her posts I thought Lilac removed it to quell the ruckus. Webmaster could also change it as it may have been deemed commercial advertising. I didn't know.

Some are suggesting that this thread was an advertising gimmick. IMHO she caters to a niche clientèle. In this case, the name itself would not attract me no matter how many messages she posted in this thread with the link, one or a hundred. It wouldn't influence my mouse. If I was interested in her business I'd Google "Pit Bull Boutique NH". I did today to check out the site. I was pleasantly surprised to see the variety of items plus the artwork and services seem to be quite good. No offense though Lilac, I'm not into Pit Bulls or Boutiques (unless..., does Victoria's Secret have boutiques? ). I don't do gift and antique shops either .

I have difficulty finding places near our boat where I can walk our dog so I was interested in this thread.

I usually don't get involved with forum politics however I have to give LilacHill the benefit of the doubt and add my 2 cents. She started the thread with an Alton related topic. After that, she mostly responded to other posts and participated in discussion. Her web statistics show a 2 day spike in viewership starting the 16th, the same day message #82 by Winnipesaukee Divers was posted. He was the first to call attention to the "free advertising" theory. I can only view the last week of her web stats: 14 page views on both the 14th and 15th versus 24 page views after msg #82 on the 16th and 27 page views on the 17th. Then it falls back to 6 views. The increased web traffic seems to start after Winnie Divers' post rather than Lilac's. It would be interesting to see the web stats for the whole month and let M-n-M crunch the numbers like unique vs. first time hits, page views and etc and correlate it the start of this thread.

When I see a No Dogs Allowed sign I don't run to the local town hall right away and ask for specifics. I assume it means "here". Even if it may be hard to tell where the dogs are prohibited from going. Are dogs prohibited from going past the sign? To the left of the sign? To the right? Around the sign? Within 150 feet of the sign? On the ramp, in the swim area or by the beach? Within reading distance of the sign? You get the idea.

Here is a local sign, NOT repeat NOT the sign at the Alton boat ramp.

[Lakewinniboater]

Originally Posted by LilacHill

So you actually have a choice, do you not? Your own boat launch or the public one? Nice to have that option, isn't it?

There are no other public places in Alton. The town can't even find property to fit into the town budget to put in a real beach area never mind these pocket parks for humans!

As I said before a permit to use the ramp is fine with me I'd pay it and wait like everyone else until all boats are in/out/gone. I do that anyway so no biggie wow.

THE REALITY. That isn't going to happen. It is nice to have the option.....of which I pay highly and work VERY hard to have. You too could have these options! Buy a property with water frontage.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Skipper of the Sea Que

It would be interesting to see the web stats for the whole month and let M-n-M crunch the numbers like unique vs. first time hits, page views and etc and correlate it the start of this thread.

Alas I'm all tied up trying to figure out the best way to stun snail darters and fend off wayward ducks (perhaps, though not necessarily, using the aforementioned snail darters). I'm also trying to track down that one alcohol drinking, cigar smoking dog that ruined it for the rest ...

[This'nThat]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Earlier, Alton should have put up signs like Vancouver, BC, has:

Looks like Vancouver, BC has fallen victim to the PC crowd: Dog Guardians????!! Vancouver has decided that people no longer are "dog owners" because PETA says that's not cool.
I don't think Alton should become like Vancouver at all.

[SteveA]

Sometimes there is a very simple solution.

If that fails... try a Disguise.