Signage

Argie's Wife · 06-05-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rander7823

That is their freedom to advertise their business and best of all it doesn't hurt anybody.

If it did any good I would have remembered the name of the business...

All I remember is it was a garish sight at 10pm and very out of place in this one-horse town.

(And I don't know about "freedom" to advertise - it's not... Last time I checked there's ordinances about these things and exceptions have to be made through the planning board. The new high school still has no message board because of red tape and trying to make the best descision and even the sign for the school had to go before the board for approval...)

Paugus Bay Resident · 06-05-2007, 12:17 PM

Weirs Guy is right, Trustworthy (Moe / Union Ave) went through hoops last year to allow their sign to be "automated". After a number of hearings, it was the one change per day rule. City council said no; too distracting,etc from what I recall. I guess Union Ave is a lot more pristine than the Weirs

since the Weirs signs can change 1 time per second

Maybe because they're in different wards?

Anyway, my biggest complaint is the lighting on the mini golf course in the Weirs. Its blinding when boating through the channel. At least after some complaints, they toned down the floodlights on Rte 3.

rander7823 · 06-05-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Argie's Wife

If it did any good I would have remembered the name of the business...

All I remember is it was a garish sight at 10pm and very out of place in this one-horse town.

(And I don't know about "freedom" to advertise - it's not... Last time I checked there's ordinances about these things and exceptions have to be made through the planning board. The new high school still has no message board because of red tape and trying to make the best descision and even the sign for the school had to go before the board for approval...)

So I get it now...these ordinances that impinge on their freedom of speech are okay but one's that don't allow smoking aren't okay.....hmmmmm

Paugus Bay Resident · 06-05-2007, 12:26 PM

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So I get it now...these ordinances that impinge on their freedom of speech are okay but one's that don't allowing smoking aren't okay.....hmmmmm

I guess the main difference is that these are local ordinances by the planning and zoning boards and can be changed. You can get a variance which is something you can't do if you own a restaurant and want to allow smoking (unless you wanted to throw a ton of money and time at it).

I'm personally a little more "market driven" and would rather consumers (read $$$) take care of all this. I express my feelings to establishments that do things that bother me. If enough people do, hopefully they change. If I'm in the minority, I have to live with it.

BTW - personally I don't find these signs very effective (kind of like a loud commercial on TV) but that's me.

Argie's Wife · 06-05-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rander7823

So I get it now...these ordinances that impinge on their freedom of speech are okay but one's that don't allow smoking aren't okay.....hmmmmm

Tell me this, HOW does limiting the size of the sign and the wattage "impinge" on someone's freedom of speech?

And about the smoking comment - take your comments to the appropriate thread and debate them there, if you wish to go to task with me and the others who disagree with your logic there. I was kinder to you about your comment there than others were or could be and respectfully disagreed with you. The sign won't endanger anyone's health either - but could just be a blemish to the landscape. Big difference - if you think about it. Please tell me you're not really placing those on the same level? C'mon...

Skip · 06-05-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Argie's Wife

...Tell me this, HOW does limiting the size of the sign and the wattage "impinge" on someone's freedom of speech?...

You're right, it doesn't.

As far back as 1926 the courts have upheld zoning as a constitutional excercise of government's so called "police powers".

Anyway, the first real case that substantiated modern zoning regulations, including the eventual right to regulate signage, can be found in Euclid v. Amber Realty (272 US 365, 1926).

Methinks someone is honing their skills as a troll.....

Skip

mcdude · 06-05-2007, 04:06 PM

sorry NHKATHY!!!! I couldn't help it....I swear!

NHKathy · 06-06-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdude

sorry NHKATHY!!!! I couldn't help it....I swear!

McDude - LOL!

I don't mind the Weirs Sign!! I love this sign!

I mean these digital "TV commercial" type signs that have been popping up all over.

Originally posted by:
PB Resident:
"BTW - personally I don't find these signs very effective
(kind of like a loud commercial on TV) but that's me."

I agree!!

Weirs guy · 06-06-2007, 11:14 AM

I think the answer to your question PBR has less to do with wards and more to do with not getting caught yet. Then again, Laconia tends to forget about us until tax season...

Seems to me there are bigger fish for government to fry then this.

jellybean · 06-13-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Argie's Wife

All I remember is it was a garish sight at 10pm and very out of place in this one-horse town.

(... Last time I checked there's ordinances about these things and exceptions have to be made through the planning board. The new high school still has no message board because of red tape and trying to make the best descision and even the sign for the school had to go before the board for approval...)

Argie's, I could be wrong, but I believe that sign belongs to Scott Williams, a new member of the PLANNING BOARD! I have also noticed it, as it is really out of place in our town, particularly in the Bay. And I think we do have a sign ordinance of some kind, but perhaps it applies only to new construction/structures and not to existing signposts.

Argie's Wife · 06-13-2007, 10:40 PM

For real?

Interesting...

I have a business in my home and when I checked into placing a simple shingle up, I was told "no way!" because I wasn't in zoning for a business. Yet, there's many, many people up the street from me (within 0.25 miles of my front door) who are within the same zoninig and yet they do have a sign up. They are most certainly residences with businesses - like mine. I never said "boo" about it - it wasn't worth the battle.

Silly me... I shoulda just put the sign up and said nothing because apparently they don't enforce the laws once the deed is done...

fatlazyless · 06-14-2007, 05:22 AM

Well, maybe after the Meredith special town meeting and July 31 vote, the selectmen-woman will create a new ordinance to regulate the electric moving signs.

And maybe, the NH sign business group will try to stop a proposed ordinance as an infringement on commercial free speech.

To see how it played out earlier this year. enter Barlo Signs Concord NH into a search engine.

....maybe, maybe, maybe!

wildwoodfam · 06-14-2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Argie's Wife

Silly me... I shoulda just put the sign up and said nothing because apparently they don't enforce the laws once the deed is done...

This is one of those moments where ... "It is better to do the deed and have to then apologize for it than to ask and be told NO!"

SIKSUKR · 06-14-2007, 12:54 PM

I'm in total agreement with you on that post Wildwood.

Argie's Wife · 06-15-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wildwoodfam

This is one of those moments where ... "It is better to do the deed and have to then apologize for it than to ask and be told NO!"

i know... i know.... i was TRYING to be a good little citizen... HONEST!

06-05-2007, 04:06 PM	#7
mcdude Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rock Haven Lake - West Newfield, ME Posts: 5,367 Thanks: 374 Thanked 1,057 Times in 495 Posts	Ah....those simple wooden signs of yesteryear..... sorry NHKATHY!!!! I couldn't help it....I swear! __________________

06-06-2007, 11:14 AM	#9
Weirs guy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Weirs Beach, NH Posts: 1,067 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I think the answer to your question PBR has less to do with wards and more to do with not getting caught yet. Then again, Laconia tends to forget about us until tax season... Seems to me there are bigger fish for government to fry then this. __________________ Is it bikeweek yet? Now?

06-14-2007, 12:54 PM	#14
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Just put it up! I'm in total agreement with you on that post Wildwood. __________________ SIKSUKR

06-05-2007, 12:17 PM	#2
Paugus Bay Resident Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Gilmanton, NH Posts: 754 Thanks: 136 Thanked 93 Times in 51 Posts	Weirs Guy is right, Trustworthy (Moe / Union Ave) went through hoops last year to allow their sign to be "automated". After a number of hearings, it was the one change per day rule. City council said no; too distracting,etc from what I recall. I guess Union Ave is a lot more pristine than the Weirs since the Weirs signs can change 1 time per second Maybe because they're in different wards? Anyway, my biggest complaint is the lighting on the mini golf course in the Weirs. Its blinding when boating through the channel. At least after some complaints, they toned down the floodlights on Rte 3.

06-13-2007, 10:40 PM	#11
Argie's Wife Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Alton Posts: 1,908 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 533 Thanked 579 Times in 260 Posts	For real? Interesting... I have a business in my home and when I checked into placing a simple shingle up, I was told "no way!" because I wasn't in zoning for a business. Yet, there's many, many people up the street from me (within 0.25 miles of my front door) who are within the same zoninig and yet they do have a sign up. They are most certainly residences with businesses - like mine. I never said "boo" about it - it wasn't worth the battle. Silly me... I shoulda just put the sign up and said nothing because apparently they don't enforce the laws once the deed is done...

06-14-2007, 05:22 AM	#12
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,752 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,010 Times in 736 Posts	Well, maybe after the Meredith special town meeting and July 31 vote, the selectmen-woman will create a new ordinance to regulate the electric moving signs. And maybe, the NH sign business group will try to stop a proposed ordinance as an infringement on commercial free speech. To see how it played out earlier this year. enter Barlo Signs Concord NH into a search engine. ....maybe, maybe, maybe!