Signage

[ApS]

Originally Posted by wildwoodfam

"...I for one and glad to see that when I make the trip to New Hampshire - there are shopping centers now - because I used to hate having to drive for miles and mile for gas and a gallon of milk from the IGA.

Drive? For one gallon of milk? I stopped driving to the Post Office to buy one stamp decades ago!

Shopping centers (and worse—mini-storage centers) bring deforestation and uncontrolled petroleum-laden runoff to the Winnipesaukee Basin.

Originally Posted by wildwoodfam

There are still places in New Yorseyachusettavadafornia that are MORE rural than some places in NH.

Only New Jersey is a smaller state (than New Hampshire) and has a population density greater than China!

Those states that are losing their native populations (like Massachusetts) shouldn't be allowed to affect New Hampshire to the point of diminishing any part of New Hampshire's natural beauty—including flashy signage. So I support zoning for limiting sign advertising.

Say...look at Wolfeboro!

Their sign ordinances have resulted in carved wood signs—including one with a highlighted gold-leaf motif over the front door of the downtown hardware store!

Classy.

[Nauset]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Those states that are losing their native populations (like Massachusetts) shouldn't be allowed to affect New Hampshire to the point of diminishing any part of New Hampshire's natural beauty—including flashy signage. So I support zoning for limiting sign advertising.

Acres, I have lived in Massachusetts for 45 years and been driving to the lakes region for decades and have never seen one of those obnoxious signs till I cross into New Hampshire. I’m not sure how Massachusetts is affecting New Hampshire’s natural beauty.

Turning off the highway into Tilton at night is like driving through a carnival. I personally think those flashing signs greatly reduce the beauty of the state and are a form of pollution in the area. The next thing will be loud speakers with pre-recorded messages to get your attention. I’m all for freedom to advertise but if I choose to look the other way I can still see the light reflecting off everything around. We spend nights on the Weirs Channel and can see the two flashing signs from Thurston’s and Channel Marine flashing all night reflecting off everything in the area. Often times when looking out a window at night my first thought is there is an accident on the bridge, then I realize it is just the flashing signs.

[Weirs guy]

As a follow up to Peppers statement, people at the Weirs I would imagine have more time to read more info on these signs (walking the boardwalk, stopped in traffic, ect.) then those driving by on Union Ave., hence more messages allowed? I'm not in love with the signs, but I'm not in love with the non-electric-flashing versions either. Of course, if I owned a business and didn't feel like paying someone to change a sign.....

The modernization of the area is a double edged sword. Yes, we're getting that urban sprawl feel. But, I don't have to drive 45 minutes to go to Lowes or Wal-Mart either. Those of us here year round must find that appealing even if we have to deal with the other inconvenices they bring.

[wildwoodfam]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Drive? For one gallon of milk? I stopped driving to the Post Office to buy one stamp decades ago!

Not sure what Milk and one stamp have to do with each other.

Shopping centers (and worse—mini-storage centers) bring deforestation and uncontrolled petroleum-laden runoff to the Winnipesaukee Basin.

Actually much of the deforestation around the lake is CONDO and McMansion building - I am not sure i have seen ANY shopping centers right on the lake or mini storage centers for that matter.

Only New Jersey is a smaller state (than New Hampshire) and has a population density greater than China!

Still has some pretty rural areas - which was my point, not population.

Those states that are losing their native populations (like Massachusetts) shouldn't be allowed to affect New Hampshire to the point of diminishing any part of New Hampshire's natural beauty—including flashy signage. So I support zoning for limiting sign advertising.

Again - as stated in my previous post - haven't seen any of these INFAMOUS and NOTORIOUS signs in Mass ONLY IN NH. SO How does that make it MA's fault? As far as native fleeing Mass - Join Vermont and cede from the union - then put up a fence! They are having a sale in Texas on fencing!!

Say...look at Wolfeboro! Say - Look at Andover MA, North Andover MA, Concord MA, Belmont MA, Chatham MA, Haverhill MA, no neon signage here!!

Their sign ordinances have resulted in carved wood signs—including one with a highlighted gold-leaf motif over the front door of the downtown hardware store!

Classy.

SASSY

[ApS]

Originally Posted by wildwoodfam

Not sure what Milk and one stamp have to do with each other.

Buy two gallons. Buy fifty stamps.

Prior to the gas price increases, driving the family car costs $.50 per mile, average. Today, Mom and Pop stores aren't a bad deal—they offer next-door convenience and keep the cozy New Hampshire character that brought many of us here in the first place.

Originally Posted by wildwoodfam

Actually much of the deforestation around the lake is CONDO and McMansion building - I am not sure i have seen ANY shopping centers right on the lake or mini storage centers for that matter

Hence the word basin. Everything in the Winnipesaukee Basin drains into our lakes and aquifers.

Originally Posted by wildwoodfam

Still has some pretty rural areas - which was my point, not population

New Jersey isn't "all I-95 and refineries"—I agree; but compare NJ's "wild" areas with NH's "wild" areas.

Originally Posted by wildwoodfam

SO How does that make it MA's fault?

...and...

Originally Posted by Nauset

Acres, I have lived in Massachusetts for 45 years and been driving to the lakes region for decades and have never seen one of those obnoxious signs till I cross into New Hampshire. I’m not sure how Massachusetts is affecting New Hampshire’s natural beauty.

1) That Weirs sign (a Winnipesaukee-welcome for many folks, I understand ) went up before I-93 went in. Massachusetts was a far, far, bigger player before the Interstates.

2) The obnoxious signs (and honky-tonk) are designed to attract the attention of new customers: license plates from which state are most commonly seen?

(Besides Florida, that is. )

[wildwoodfam]

2) The obnoxious signs (and honky-tonk) are designed to attract the attention of new customers: license plates from which state are most commonly seen?

[B]If all you do is complain once we get there![B] I dont disagree that there are a lot of tourists from Mass in NH - thats why they call them TOURISTS!!! Its good for your economy - makes up for your lack of a state income tax! An aside - I see as many NH plates on 93 in the morning and afternoon making their way to and from employment in Boston, as I do MASS plates at the Weirs.

Bottom line - I don't see how you can point fingers at Mass and other states for NH's bad judgement when it comes to ZONING laws and ordinance shortsightedness!! Thats why you have ugly signs, mini-storage units - shopping centers, etc etc etc...has NOTHING to do with MASS. As a matter of fact - here in Haverhill MASS we have an ordinance on signage - perhaps that might be something NH WOULD WANT TO COPY!