Mooring...What are your thoughts

_C_H_R_I_S_ · 06-25-2007, 12:30 PM

Skip - I totally understand what you mean...I just wish I could find their definition of anchor(ing) or do they not use that word anymore. Seems like they want mooring and anchoring to be the same. So boats that sit out on the lake for the day while people swim etc from them are technically moored and yet they dont have a mooring permit. If they are considered anchored, then it is moored also because it is resting on the ground and securing the watercraft. Is there a time frame for anchoring vs mooring, certain amount of hours etc?

Jetskier: The dock is full of boats and it is my neighbors property...They let me keep it over there so I wouldnt feel right with taking up their space with a rack etc or even asking for that matter...Plus they are quite expensive.

I hope you guys can see what I mean and dont take me as being a smart @$$...I have it in my mind of what I want to say and it sometimes will come out wrong. Thanks for all the advice...I will try to give them a call this afternoon and see how it goes, I will keep you posted.

Skip · 06-25-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by _C_H_R_I_S_

Skip - I totally understand what you mean...I just wish I could find their definition of anchor(ing) or do they not use that word anymore. Seems like they want mooring and anchoring to be the same. So boats that sit out on the lake for the day while people swim etc from them are technically moored and yet they dont have a mooring permit.

Interesting points....but in this case you have already answered your own question in your initial post.

You stated that the fixed point that you use (concrete in a bucket) is left for the entire season. That explanation clearly meets the legal descriptio of a mooring. The word anchor never comes in to play.

When you anchor you utilize a temporary device that you retrieve upon finish. You are not retrieving your concrete bucket, but leaving it in the same spot for the season.

If I left an anchor in a fixed spot for the season it then too would cease to be an anchor and thus become a mooring.

Ah, the classic case of which comes first, the chicken or the egg!

Those folks throwing an anchor out for the day are excercising their temporary privilege of anchoring....they are not using a fixed point and therefore are not mooring.

So, when does anchoring become mooring? The MPs say that occurs when you leave that anchor in overnight, even if its just for one night. While this RSA is clear when it comes to houseboats there is still some debate as to its applicability to other vessels.

That said I firmly believe there is no debate to the situation as you describe. Remember, in law it usually comes down to intent. Your admitted intention is to moor your jet ski on the Lake for the season. To do so requires a mooring permit. In the process you have now attracted the attention of the NHMP. My friendly advice to you is to immediately seek the necessary permit or find other docking opportunities.

Good luck and be safe.....

Kamper · 06-25-2007, 01:52 PM

I have used an anchor as an off-set when tieing to some friend's dock. I used to prefer to leave the line in the water and fish it out with a hook. You can put a loop in your line and hang it to the dock if you'd rather.

Either way, as long as that float isnt there catching anyone's eye, you should be okay. Might not be striclty within the letter of the law though, as Skip pointed out.

Good luck!

_C_H_R_I_S_ · 06-25-2007, 02:17 PM

Thank you all for the input...Very good points all around. I did call the department and they said that whoever gave the information before hand saying that it was fine was wrong and that it is considered a mooring. I thought or at least was hoping I kind of made sense with what I was saying and thinking but I was wrong haha. I will look into the permit and hope they can do it soon because it wouldnt be cool if they towed it while I was waiting on them...Thanks again - Have a great day and summer.

Skip · 06-25-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by _C_H_R_I_S_

...I did call the department and they said that whoever gave the information before hand saying that it was fine was wrong and that it is considered a mooring...

Chris....thanks for following through with the proper authorities and then posting the results!

Hopefully you'll get your situation squared away forthwith and get out and do what we should all be doing....enjoying the Lake!

Have a great (and safe) summer,

Skip

Pineedles · 06-25-2007, 04:17 PM

I was told that you may not have a "pulley" type of arrangement for mooring your boat. In other words a ring attached to a looped rope where you attach your boat and you use the pulley to pull your boat out to where the anchor is. Is this Ok or not? We have a permit for the mooring ball.

codeman671 · 06-25-2007, 04:49 PM

According to the actual mooring application that must be filed, permits for moorings used for PWC, sunfish, jet skis, canoes, rowboats, etc will not be issued. (unless under special circumstances as stated)

When I applied for our moorings they would not allow us to use our PWC as registered vessels towards determining our need for the 2 moorings we have. I am not sure how associations such as South Down can get away with it.

Here is the link to the application we had to file:

http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/s...ngs/forms.html

jetskier · 06-25-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by codeman671

According to the actual mooring application that must be filed, permits for moorings used for PWC, sunfish, jet skis, canoes, rowboats, etc will not be issued. (unless under special circumstances as stated)

When I applied for our moorings they would not allow us to use our PWC as registered vessels towards determining our need for the 2 moorings we have. I am not sure how associations such as South Down can get away with it.

Here is the link to the application we had to file:

http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/s...ngs/forms.html

Hi Codeman671,

The application indicates that they will not issue mooring permits for small craft that can be easily removed from the water. South Down has limited storage and a busy marina that precludes easy removal and storage. I agree that it is not easy to get a mooring...the process requires application to marine safety, a public hearing and ultimately, approval by the govenor's office. In addition, moorings are granted on the basis of how much frontage you have. Hope this clarifies things a bit.

Regards,
Jetskier

SIKSUKR · 06-26-2007, 08:47 AM

I had a friend get a ticket for leaving his PWC on his mooring.Boats only I guess.Here's the rub though,This PWC is registered as a boat!Hmm.

AC2717 · 06-26-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

I had a friend get a ticket for leaving his PWC on his mooring.Boats only I guess.Here's the rub though,This PWC is registered as a boat!Hmm.

I use a half canoe with a trolling motor on it to get to my mooring, I also am going to use it to fish. I leave it hooked up to the mooring when I take my boat out. are you telling me I cannot do this? They will tow it away or ticket me, that doe snto make sense if it is the case

06-25-2007, 04:17 PM	#6
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,545 Thanks: 1,072 Thanked 668 Times in 367 Posts	Mooring line to dock I was told that you may not have a "pulley" type of arrangement for mooring your boat. In other words a ring attached to a looped rope where you attach your boat and you use the pulley to pull your boat out to where the anchor is. Is this Ok or not? We have a permit for the mooring ball.

06-26-2007, 08:47 AM	#9
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	I had a friend get a ticket for leaving his PWC on his mooring.Boats only I guess.Here's the rub though,This PWC is registered as a boat!Hmm. __________________ SIKSUKR

06-25-2007, 12:30 PM	#1
_C_H_R_I_S_ Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gilford, NH Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Skip - I totally understand what you mean...I just wish I could find their definition of anchor(ing) or do they not use that word anymore. Seems like they want mooring and anchoring to be the same. So boats that sit out on the lake for the day while people swim etc from them are technically moored and yet they dont have a mooring permit. If they are considered anchored, then it is moored also because it is resting on the ground and securing the watercraft. Is there a time frame for anchoring vs mooring, certain amount of hours etc? Jetskier: The dock is full of boats and it is my neighbors property...They let me keep it over there so I wouldnt feel right with taking up their space with a rack etc or even asking for that matter...Plus they are quite expensive. I hope you guys can see what I mean and dont take me as being a smart @$$...I have it in my mind of what I want to say and it sometimes will come out wrong. Thanks for all the advice...I will try to give them a call this afternoon and see how it goes, I will keep you posted.

06-25-2007, 01:52 PM	#3
Kamper Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Thornton's Ferry Posts: 1,307 Thanks: 67 Thanked 172 Times in 128 Posts	I have used an anchor as an off-set when tieing to some friend's dock. I used to prefer to leave the line in the water and fish it out with a hook. You can put a loop in your line and hang it to the dock if you'd rather. Either way, as long as that float isnt there catching anyone's eye, you should be okay. Might not be striclty within the letter of the law though, as Skip pointed out. Good luck!

06-25-2007, 02:17 PM	#4
_C_H_R_I_S_ Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gilford, NH Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you all for the input...Very good points all around. I did call the department and they said that whoever gave the information before hand saying that it was fine was wrong and that it is considered a mooring. I thought or at least was hoping I kind of made sense with what I was saying and thinking but I was wrong haha. I will look into the permit and hope they can do it soon because it wouldnt be cool if they towed it while I was waiting on them...Thanks again - Have a great day and summer.

06-25-2007, 04:49 PM	#7
codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,509 Thanks: 221 Thanked 818 Times in 491 Posts	According to the actual mooring application that must be filed, permits for moorings used for PWC, sunfish, jet skis, canoes, rowboats, etc will not be issued. (unless under special circumstances as stated) When I applied for our moorings they would not allow us to use our PWC as registered vessels towards determining our need for the 2 moorings we have. I am not sure how associations such as South Down can get away with it. Here is the link to the application we had to file: http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/s...ngs/forms.html