Wolfeboro Docks Question

Taz · 07-17-2007, 07:15 PM

Skpbob and skip are correct. I called the Town of Wolfboro and the Wolfboro police and both confirmed there is no RSA or town ordinance to enforce the handicap parking at the Wolfboro town docks. Both also confirmed that no one is ticketing anyone for parking there that does not have some one who is handicapped on their boat. THIS IS NOT BEING ENFORCED.

When I enquired further on my call to the town offices of Wolfboro, in a nutshell, this an attempt to appease someone because the town hall as well as other parts of Wolfboro are not handicap accessible. The town offices also said that the Govenors Commission on disability is another source for more information on this matter. A Cheryl Killam is a contact in that office.

Obviously, someone is applying pressure to the Town of Wolfboro. No other town with town docking on the lake has designated handicap parking for boats. When I pressed the point that if anything the space designated is further away than any other of the docks, the answer was, "thats what they requested" It remains to be seen who they are.

Taz · 07-17-2007, 07:35 PM

On another note AC2717 posted that his father did not drive but received a placard anyway. Why? If you are not driving, whoever is driving can stop and drop you off at the entrance to where ever you are going, much closer than walking from a handicap spot.

tis · 07-17-2007, 08:25 PM

You are right, Taz, someone is applyling pressure. So much so that they (not sure if it was the feds or the state but I think it was the state) came in and checked the whole town and identified all the spots that needed to become handicapped accessible.

KTO · 07-17-2007, 08:46 PM

The one thing that I don't think anyone took in was: How will this help?

If someone is visually impaired, why are they driving?

If someone is physically impaired, what makes them deserve the spot? It's not any shorter, it's the same as the rest of the dock.

If someone has a medical issue:
A) Carry the medication with you
B) Let him/her off at the END of the dock which is DEFINITELY always open

Did I miss anything?

Skip · 07-17-2007, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTO

The one thing that I don't think anyone took in was: How will this help?

If someone is visually impaired, why are they driving?

If someone is physically impaired, what makes them deserve the spot? It's not any shorter, it's the same as the rest of the dock.

If someone has a medical issue:
A) Carry the medication with you
B) Let him/her off at the END of the dock which is DEFINITELY always open

Did I miss anything?

Excellent points!

But what you are missing is the fact that you are invoking the doctrine of common sense within the framework of this discussion.

It appears to me that at least one person pushing his particular agenda is invoking his doctrine of perceived entitlement.

Unfortunately when it comes to government common sense usually clashes with perceived entitlements!

jrc · 07-17-2007, 09:39 PM

OK, there is no law, rule or town ordinance, and neither the Marine Patrol or the Wolfeboro PD is enforcing the law that doesn't exist.

So who put the tickets on OliverNH's boat and the other boats that he witnessed with tickets?

How many of those other boaters paid those tickets because they thought there was a law or couldn't afford the time to fight the ticket in court?

This is a real mess.

Rattlesnake Guy · 07-17-2007, 11:31 PM

We all seem to agree that this solution appears to add zero advantage to the handicapped boaters except for the potential to cut in line. An advantage I would hope would not be relished. I really hope the voters will not continue this failed gesture. This family loves to spend time and dollars in the town but not having a vote in the election would have to vote with our feet and dollars.

How about adding some new spaces that actually are handicap advantaged without taking the precious existing spaces out of the que. How many dollars are lost when we give up and turn away.

Islander · 07-18-2007, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrc

OK, there is no law, rule or town ordinance, and neither the Marine Patrol or the Wolfeboro PD is enforcing the law that doesn't exist.

So who put the tickets on OliverNH's boat and the other boats that he witnessed with tickets?

How many of those other boaters paid those tickets because they thought there was a law or couldn't afford the time to fight the ticket in court?

This is a real mess.

The most likely answer to who put the tickets on the boats is that they are not real tickets. Hanson might have taken orange paper and printed "dummy" tickets.

Another possibility is olivernh is Hanson.

oliviernh · 07-18-2007, 08:03 AM

Islander, I'm definately not Hanson (don't even know who he is). Just another islander like yourself (Rattlesnake-actually my screen name is my last name). I will get my ticket this weekend when I go to the lake and post a copy. Maybe that will clear up some questions as I am now curious myself as to exactly who issued the ticket.

I'm surprised we haven't heard from anyone else who also got a ticket at the town docks?

MAINLANDER · 07-18-2007, 08:31 AM

Bout time to boycott Wolfeboro and let the business owners apply a little pressure from their end.

MJM · 07-26-2007, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliviernh

Islander, I'm definately not Hanson (don't even know who he is). Just another islander like yourself (Rattlesnake-actually my screen name is my last name). I will get my ticket this weekend when I go to the lake and post a copy. Maybe that will clear up some questions as I am now curious myself as to exactly who issued the ticket.

I'm surprised we haven't heard from anyone else who also got a ticket at the town docks?

My curiosity continues......can you scan & post the ticket?

AC2717 · 07-18-2007, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taz

On another note AC2717 posted that his father did not drive but received a placard anyway. Why? If you are not driving, whoever is driving can stop and drop you off at the entrance to where ever you are going, much closer than walking from a handicap spot.

Reason being was yes while I agree that it should have been possible to drop off at the front door and then go park, and it was done a couple of times, the problem was that he was able to push or hold himself in the Wheelchair. It was a matter of also when leaving the stores carrying what was purchased and pushing him out of the stores as well. There was a lot of time and effort involved from the beginning and it sort of made him feel like a real person instead of a burden because of all the work you had to go through.

But I do agree the situations need to be evaluated on a person by person basis for handicapped placards because every situation is different.

Maybe they should have just made one that allowed us to park close to the stores but not get free parking on the streets with the meters. They should separate the privileges.

07-17-2007, 07:15 PM	#1
Taz Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 347 Thanks: 3 Thanked 70 Times in 47 Posts	handicap parking Skpbob and skip are correct. I called the Town of Wolfboro and the Wolfboro police and both confirmed there is no RSA or town ordinance to enforce the handicap parking at the Wolfboro town docks. Both also confirmed that no one is ticketing anyone for parking there that does not have some one who is handicapped on their boat. THIS IS NOT BEING ENFORCED. When I enquired further on my call to the town offices of Wolfboro, in a nutshell, this an attempt to appease someone because the town hall as well as other parts of Wolfboro are not handicap accessible. The town offices also said that the Govenors Commission on disability is another source for more information on this matter. A Cheryl Killam is a contact in that office. Obviously, someone is applying pressure to the Town of Wolfboro. No other town with town docking on the lake has designated handicap parking for boats. When I pressed the point that if anything the space designated is further away than any other of the docks, the answer was, "thats what they requested" It remains to be seen who they are.

07-17-2007, 07:35 PM	#2
Taz Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 347 Thanks: 3 Thanked 70 Times in 47 Posts	placards On another note AC2717 posted that his father did not drive but received a placard anyway. Why? If you are not driving, whoever is driving can stop and drop you off at the entrance to where ever you are going, much closer than walking from a handicap spot.

07-18-2007, 08:03 AM	#9
oliviernh Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hampton and Rattlesnake Island Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Nope...not Hanson Islander, I'm definately not Hanson (don't even know who he is). Just another islander like yourself (Rattlesnake-actually my screen name is my last name). I will get my ticket this weekend when I go to the lake and post a copy. Maybe that will clear up some questions as I am now curious myself as to exactly who issued the ticket. I'm surprised we haven't heard from anyone else who also got a ticket at the town docks?

07-17-2007, 08:25 PM	#3
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,824 Thanks: 759 Thanked 1,474 Times in 1,029 Posts	You are right, Taz, someone is applyling pressure. So much so that they (not sure if it was the feds or the state but I think it was the state) came in and checked the whole town and identified all the spots that needed to become handicapped accessible.

07-17-2007, 08:46 PM	#4
KTO Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Meredith, NH Posts: 391 Thanks: 30 Thanked 117 Times in 26 Posts	The one thing that I don't think anyone took in was: How will this help? If someone is visually impaired, why are they driving? If someone is physically impaired, what makes them deserve the spot? It's not any shorter, it's the same as the rest of the dock. If someone has a medical issue: A) Carry the medication with you B) Let him/her off at the END of the dock which is DEFINITELY always open Did I miss anything?

07-17-2007, 09:39 PM	#6
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	OK, there is no law, rule or town ordinance, and neither the Marine Patrol or the Wolfeboro PD is enforcing the law that doesn't exist. So who put the tickets on OliverNH's boat and the other boats that he witnessed with tickets? How many of those other boaters paid those tickets because they thought there was a law or couldn't afford the time to fight the ticket in court? This is a real mess.

07-17-2007, 11:31 PM	#7
Rattlesnake Guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,254 Thanks: 423 Thanked 366 Times in 175 Posts	We all seem to agree that this solution appears to add zero advantage to the handicapped boaters except for the potential to cut in line. An advantage I would hope would not be relished. I really hope the voters will not continue this failed gesture. This family loves to spend time and dollars in the town but not having a vote in the election would have to vote with our feet and dollars. How about adding some new spaces that actually are handicap advantaged without taking the precious existing spaces out of the que. How many dollars are lost when we give up and turn away.

07-18-2007, 08:31 AM	#10
MAINLANDER Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Concord, NH. Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bout time to boycott Wolfeboro and let the business owners apply a little pressure from their end.