Wolfeboro Docks Question

wildwoodfam · 07-26-2007, 07:12 AM

It would appear - by most accounts - and observations on this thread - that there is no true benefit - to having these dock spaces reserved for H boaters. There is no benefit to the handicapped person as s/he still has to figure out how to get out of the boat and up onto the dock, and then wheel her/himself down the dock, etc... The ONLY real benefit appears to be that s/he gets to dock faster than most who must wait for the docks to open up.

Its certainly an interesting conundrum!

spinker · 07-26-2007, 09:17 AM

Do you need a handicaped dock when you get on your boat???
this man is riduculous !!!

sa meredith · 07-26-2007, 09:44 AM

I have not yet had the chance to make the trip over to Wolfeboro this summer, but am I to understand that these dock spaces have in no way been modified???? That makes no sense. If they are no different than the regular spots, how can they be marked "Handicapped"? In a parking lot for automobiles, the spots are wider, and generally close to whatever building they are for. Thus making it easy for a handicapped person to go to and from the car. But if the docks are all the same, this makes no sense. Why should a boater not have to wait in line like everyone else, just because they are handicapped? And we all know that line can be long on weekends.
I think if the wait was over 15/20 minutes, and one of these spots open, I would grab it. Tell me, how would I be affecting a handicapped boater in any way????!!!

SIKSUKR · 07-26-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sa meredith

I have not yet had the chance to make the trip over to Wolfeboro this summer, but am I to understand that these dock spaces have in no way been modified???? That makes no sense. If they are no different than the regular spots, how can they be marked "Handicapped"? In a parking lot for automobiles, the spots are wider, and generally close to whatever building they are for. Thus making it easy for a handicapped person to go to and from the car. But if the docks are all the same, this makes no sense. Why should a boater not have to wait in line like everyone else, just because they are handicapped? And we all know that line can be long on weekends.
I think if the wait was over 15/20 minutes, and one of these spots open, I would grab it. Tell me, how would I be affecting a handicapped boater in any way????!!!

Based on what M&M posted,You are within your rights to use those spaces if the the rest of the docks are full.

oliviernh · 07-30-2007, 08:39 AM

Sorry for the delay on this. Here is the copy I promised to post. As you can see it is a true ticket from Wolfeboro PD.

Skip · 07-30-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by oliviernh

Sorry for the delay on this. Here is the copy I promised to post. As you can see it is a true ticket from Wolfeboro PD.

Great pics!

The ticket specifically denotes that you violated Wolfeboro Town Ordinance WC 184-11. I do not have on-line access to that ordinance, but needless to say it would have to specifically address the reserved town docks in question.

My feeling, after reading comments attributed to the Police Chief, is that the particular ordinance cited only addresses properly signed handicap spaces on streets and parking lots.

The Town does reserve the right to modify or create a new Town ordinance allowing enforcement, but my suspicion is that the parking enforcement officer issuing this ticket has checked off an ordinance that does not yet apply.

Perhaps a Wolfeboro resident could stop by Town Hall and obtain a copy of WC 184-11 for us to peruse?

Thanks for posting the pictures, it answers a lot of questions while raising a few more!

oliviernh · 07-30-2007, 10:47 AM

...is the ordinance checked off. Good idea Skip!

White Rook · 05-08-2008, 06:08 PM

Hello Fellow Boaters,

Was there ever a final ruling or resolution to the handicap docking spaces at Wolfeboro? Does anyone know if there are any other handicap designated docking spaces across the lake? Have a great summer!

skprbob · 05-29-2008, 06:14 PM

From today's (5/29) Granite State News, page A4:

"The Wolfeboro Board of Selectmen will hold a Public Hearing on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 7:05 PM at the Town Hall Meeting Room, 86 South Main Street, Wolfeboro, NH for the purpose of hearing public comment on the proposed amendments to Chap 36, Sec 5, of the Town Code entitled 'Limitations on the use of Town docks, wharves, and ramps' as follows:

Q. No boats, as defined in RSA 279:2, shall be docked in that area of the Town Docks designated as accessible docking, unless such boat displays a windshield placard issued under RSA 261:88 OR displays the international symbol of access.

Docking spaces designated as accessible shall be marked in accordance with the provisions of RSA 265:73-a, by affixing signs to posts, docks, or other areas so as to be clearly visible to anyone approaching the area by boat.

The accessible docking area shall be utilized only if a person with a disability is being transported in or is operating a boat to or from the docking area.

Any person convicted under this section shall be fined not less than $250.00"

Needless to say, any boater who thinks this is idiotic should attend!

Orion · 05-29-2008, 07:31 PM

There is absolutely no logic to this bill......but I guess we've been all through that last year.

wildwoodfam · 05-29-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Orion

There is absolutely no logic to this bill......but I guess we've been all through that last year.

Not another thread on this issue!!! Everyone needs to go to the hearing - everyone from Wolfeboro that is - to say enough is enough!!

AC2717 · 05-30-2008, 08:02 AM

everyone that can shoudl show up to oppose this bill, of course it is on a Wednesday night. Only compromise would be for them to build more or longer docks, as this is so foolish, remeber folks one town starts, this the rest will follow. I have no problem with folks who are disabled having spaces on the the street and parking lots, but boating is above and beyond a recreation and all should be equal, if you can get into and out of a boat then it should not matter where you dock period. 50feet is not going to make a difference when walking or strolling or whatever around the town of Wolfboro. Preference should not be given. I would much rather give prefence to war vetrans injured or not because of what they do for us everyday.

Please do not blast me on this, we all need to think about the common sense of this one.

Mashugana · 05-30-2008, 09:38 AM

A docking area for handicapped boaters is a good idea. I see chair vans around but have not seen a chair boat. Is there a picture in photo post?

GWC... · 05-30-2008, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mashugana

A docking area for handicapped boaters is a good idea. I see chair vans around but have not seen a chair boat. Is there a picture in photo post?

How about a chair in a boat?

Perhaps Wolfebore is creating a place for showing appreciation to Vets and other wheelchair bound people?

http://wheelchairregatta.homestead.com/

There are more rewarding experiences in life than displaying a flag in a flotilla...

Orion · 05-30-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mashugana

A docking area for handicapped boaters is a good idea.

Maybe, if they provided some handicap advantage, but all docks are the same and these just give handicap boaters a virtual "jump in the line" to get a dock on busy weekends.

wildwoodfam · 05-31-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Orion

Maybe, if they provided some handicap advantage, but all docks are the same and these just give handicap boaters a virtual "jump in the line" to get a dock on busy weekends.

This is exactly how the last "discussion" on this topic began.

Mr. Moyer · 05-31-2008, 08:56 PM

I like the suggestion from Second curve at the beginning of this discussion, surrounding the special designanted flag for Handicapped Boaters to go to the front of the line. I think this would address the need at hand. I am a virtual newbie at the big lake, only two years and have to say, normally I err on the side of politeness and caution around the town docks, but the one thing I can say is there is a definate shortage of dockspace at all of the ports on the lake. So i would hate to constatly be waiting for a dock and having one sit open for hours on end.
I know going to the mall or the movies, that there is nothing that burns my ass like having to park a mile away and walking by 50 empty handicapped spaces, so I understand everyones frustration. The same would apply to the docking situation.
That being said, to say that it is unfair though is a bit of a stretch, these individuals (or most of them with the placards) are handicapped and have a need to be closer, etc. so I think the flag would allow them to get to the space in a timely fashion and get the time they need to unload all of the gear and themselves, and still enjoy the lake. Just my personal opinion.
Add to that that I think the same rules should apply, 3 hr maximums at the docks, and I think there should be a parking meter fee for handicapped for what its worth.

MJM · 06-02-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Moyer

I like the suggestion from Second curve at the beginning of this discussion, surrounding the special designanted flag for Handicapped Boaters to go to the front of the line....... these individuals (or most of them with the placards) are handicapped and have a need to be closer, etc. .....

I have yet to understand why being handicapped merits getting a dock space FASTER. Closer? Absolutely, of course. But in terms of TIME, I just don't see it. Should cars with handicapped plates be allowed to drive in the breakdown lane when there is a big traffic backup?

GWC... · 06-02-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MJM

I have yet to understand why being handicapped merits getting a dock space FASTER. Closer? Absolutely, of course. But in terms of TIME, I just don't see it. Should cars with handicapped plates be allowed to drive in the breakdown lane when there is a big traffic backup?

The simple solution is to extend the current docks to allow for an increase in capacity, without an increase of shorefrontage usage.

Then, again, that would require some common sense to impliment such a simple solution...

07-26-2007, 07:12 AM	#1
wildwoodfam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Andover, MA & summers up at the BIG lake Posts: 285 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Thats the issue - plain and simple. It would appear - by most accounts - and observations on this thread - that there is no true benefit - to having these dock spaces reserved for H boaters. There is no benefit to the handicapped person as s/he still has to figure out how to get out of the boat and up onto the dock, and then wheel her/himself down the dock, etc... The ONLY real benefit appears to be that s/he gets to dock faster than most who must wait for the docks to open up. Its certainly an interesting conundrum!

07-26-2007, 09:44 AM	#3
sa meredith Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 32 Thanked 352 Times in 137 Posts	wait in line I have not yet had the chance to make the trip over to Wolfeboro this summer, but am I to understand that these dock spaces have in no way been modified???? That makes no sense. If they are no different than the regular spots, how can they be marked "Handicapped"? In a parking lot for automobiles, the spots are wider, and generally close to whatever building they are for. Thus making it easy for a handicapped person to go to and from the car. But if the docks are all the same, this makes no sense. Why should a boater not have to wait in line like everyone else, just because they are handicapped? And we all know that line can be long on weekends. I think if the wait was over 15/20 minutes, and one of these spots open, I would grab it. Tell me, how would I be affecting a handicapped boater in any way????!!!

07-30-2007, 10:47 AM	#7
oliviernh Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hampton and Rattlesnake Island Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Actually it's WC 164-11 ...is the ordinance checked off. Good idea Skip!

05-08-2008, 06:08 PM	#8
White Rook Deceased Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Salem NH Posts: 101 Thanks: 51 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Handicap Docking Spaces -- Final Ruling? Hello Fellow Boaters, Was there ever a final ruling or resolution to the handicap docking spaces at Wolfeboro? Does anyone know if there are any other handicap designated docking spaces across the lake? Have a great summer! __________________ "Checkmate King II ... This Is White Rook .... Over"

05-29-2008, 06:14 PM	#9
skprbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 19 Mile Bay Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 90 Times in 29 Posts	Handicap Dock public hearing From today's (5/29) Granite State News, page A4: "The Wolfeboro Board of Selectmen will hold a Public Hearing on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 7:05 PM at the Town Hall Meeting Room, 86 South Main Street, Wolfeboro, NH for the purpose of hearing public comment on the proposed amendments to Chap 36, Sec 5, of the Town Code entitled 'Limitations on the use of Town docks, wharves, and ramps' as follows: Q. No boats, as defined in RSA 279:2, shall be docked in that area of the Town Docks designated as accessible docking, unless such boat displays a windshield placard issued under RSA 261:88 OR displays the international symbol of access. Docking spaces designated as accessible shall be marked in accordance with the provisions of RSA 265:73-a, by affixing signs to posts, docks, or other areas so as to be clearly visible to anyone approaching the area by boat. The accessible docking area shall be utilized only if a person with a disability is being transported in or is operating a boat to or from the docking area. Any person convicted under this section shall be fined not less than $250.00" Needless to say, any boater who thinks this is idiotic should attend!

07-26-2007, 09:17 AM	#2
spinker Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Do you need a handicaped dock when you get on your boat??? this man is riduculous !!!

05-29-2008, 07:31 PM	#10
Orion Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 914 Thanks: 602 Thanked 193 Times in 91 Posts	That's just plain nuts! There is absolutely no logic to this bill......but I guess we've been all through that last year.

05-30-2008, 08:02 AM	#12
AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,587 Thanks: 756 Thanked 356 Times in 268 Posts	Well everyone that can shoudl show up to oppose this bill, of course it is on a Wednesday night. Only compromise would be for them to build more or longer docks, as this is so foolish, remeber folks one town starts, this the rest will follow. I have no problem with folks who are disabled having spaces on the the street and parking lots, but boating is above and beyond a recreation and all should be equal, if you can get into and out of a boat then it should not matter where you dock period. 50feet is not going to make a difference when walking or strolling or whatever around the town of Wolfboro. Preference should not be given. I would much rather give prefence to war vetrans injured or not because of what they do for us everyday. Please do not blast me on this, we all need to think about the common sense of this one. __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"

05-30-2008, 09:38 AM	#13
Mashugana Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 73 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	HP dock A docking area for handicapped boaters is a good idea. I see chair vans around but have not seen a chair boat. Is there a picture in photo post?

05-31-2008, 08:56 PM	#17
Mr. Moyer Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 49 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I like the suggestion from Second curve at the beginning of this discussion, surrounding the special designanted flag for Handicapped Boaters to go to the front of the line. I think this would address the need at hand. I am a virtual newbie at the big lake, only two years and have to say, normally I err on the side of politeness and caution around the town docks, but the one thing I can say is there is a definate shortage of dockspace at all of the ports on the lake. So i would hate to constatly be waiting for a dock and having one sit open for hours on end. I know going to the mall or the movies, that there is nothing that burns my ass like having to park a mile away and walking by 50 empty handicapped spaces, so I understand everyones frustration. The same would apply to the docking situation. That being said, to say that it is unfair though is a bit of a stretch, these individuals (or most of them with the placards) are handicapped and have a need to be closer, etc. so I think the flag would allow them to get to the space in a timely fashion and get the time they need to unload all of the gear and themselves, and still enjoy the lake. Just my personal opinion. Add to that that I think the same rules should apply, 3 hr maximums at the docks, and I think there should be a parking meter fee for handicapped for what its worth.