Speed Limit test zones dead in the water!

[ITD]

You know it's funny, I was reading posts from Islander yesterday before the truth came out and I was thinking, I can't tell the difference between these two people, Islander and Island Lover. Of course she will just lie, weasle and try to argue her way out of this, true to form.

Islander:
"I am just one person."

No question about that, there is just no way to figure out how many other different identities you post under. You are so bagged.

Islander:

"The webmaster however, by linking me with a member that has a public identity, seems to have violated his own TOS. "

The webmaster pointed out three different identities to the same computer, you outed yourself under one of your identities. To try and turn this back on him is sleazy.


Islander:

"If you can't discredit the message, discredit the messenger!"


You have discredited yourself, try being honest for a change.

[Islander]

I know we all love a good conspiracy theory. But..

The webmaster never said same person, never said same computer, never said same home.

And how does any of that effect this piece of news?.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...dents_on_rise/

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Islander

I know we all love a good conspiracy theory. But..

The webmaster never said same person, never said same computer, never said same home.

And how does any of that effect this piece of news?.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...dents_on_rise/

The article specifically states inexperience and alcohol as reasons for the rise in accidents.

[Dave R]

One cable modem could be connected to a wireless router that a neighborhood could legally share and the IP address would be the same for all posts. It's quite possible that the three "islanders" are indeed three different people.

[Airwaves]

I figured Islander/Island Lover/Bear Islander would use that article.

In fact that article used national figures and the stats are from the New England states that DON'T require boating education. While the article did reveal those facts it was poorly written and easily missed.

Here are the boating accidents for Lake Winnipesaukee in 2006, the year the article used statistics from.

2006 Fatals/Boating Accidents, Lake Winnipesaukee as reported in media

4/03/06 Canoe Capsized. 1 arrested, BWI
6/10/06 24’ Powerboat hits Eagle Island, 1 arrested, BWI
7/04/06 24’ Rental powerboat aground on rocks, Stonedam Island, 1 arrested, BWI
7/13/06 Cabin Cruiser fire, Fay’s Boatyard, no injuries
7/21/06 27’ Cabin Cruiser fire during refueling at Weirs Beach, 2 rescued.
8/05/06 Drowning, man swimming from boat off Rattlesnake Island, 1 dead
8/05/06 Drowning, man swimming from boat off Varney Point, 1 dead
8/13/06 Boat hit by waves, woman injured by fall (location not reported)
8/13/06 Boat towing tube, tube hit big wake, 1 woman injured (location not reported)
10/03/06 20’ Powerboat ran aground on Hurricane Island, Tuftonboro, 1 arrested, BWI
10/28/06 230’ M/S Mount Washington, man overboard. Missing presumed drowned.

So to review: 4 alcohol related accidents
3 non-boat accident related drownings
2 fires
2 injuries while boating due to waves
3 boat groundings (all alcohol related)

Number of deaths on Lake Winnipesaukee in 2006: 3
Number of speed related accidents on Lake Winnipesaukee in 2006: ZERO
Number of speed related deaths on Lake Winnipesaukee in 2006 : ZERO

These stats were compiled by me using various media reports throughout the year and I broke out the figures for ONLY Winnipesaukee.

No stats from NH, where mandatory boating education is required for all but a few, were used in the article. The focus of the article was on the three states in New England where boater education is not mandated.

And, as a reference point. Massachusetts, which does not have a mandatory boater education law, does have a 45 mile an hour speed limit. What do marine law enforcement officials have to say?

"If you have the money, you can buy the toy," said Gloucester Harbormaster James Caulkett. He is vice president of the Massachusetts Harbormasters Association, which is pushing legislation that would require boaters to pass a safety course.

Yep, Massachusetts has a speed limit but what they want is a mandatory boater education requirment. Interesting.

Also on the wish list:

The Massachusetts Environmental Police says it has 100 officers to patrol waterways from the Berkshires to Cape Cod.

"There is never enough," said Captain George Agganis of the Massachusetts Environmental Police. "Our numbers really need to increase on coastal areas."

So the border state that has what WinnFabs wants, speed limits, wants what NH has, mandatory boater education.

[GWC...]

Originally Posted by Islander

I know we all love a good conspiracy theory. But..

The webmaster never said same person, never said same computer, never said same home.

And how does any of that effect this piece of news?.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...dents_on_rise/

It doesn't.

Why?

Wrong state.

Go to Maine and lobby its Legislature for a speed limit if the situation there stresses you.

Originally Posted by Islander

I am just one person. The same ip only implies the same neighborhood. The webmaster however, by linking me with a member that has a public identity, seems to have violated his own TOS. If you can't discredit the message, discredit the messenger!

You did it to yourself and now you feel the need to blame another for your choice in life.

[Irrigation Guy]

Originally Posted by Islander

I know we all love a good conspiracy theory. But..

The webmaster never said same person, never said same computer, never said same home.

He never said you weren't either.

Funny thing is I have asked before and will ask again right here.

Are you the same person or are you not? If not are you all from the same house?

You have the opportunity to clear things up with the truth.

Are you going to come clean or let the speculation continue?

I guess it really doesn't matter because your credibility is sunk now.

I'm sure some hacker could let us know the answers we seek anyway.

[codeman671]

Funny how a few months back I accused Islander and Island Lover of being the same person. The lack of response at that time said enough for me.

Anyone have any D-Con handy???

Lets face it, the end result of a speed limit being broken in a fatal accident will tag on a $50 or so ticket to the offender, the life would still be lost. I hope their fight to get a speed limit is worth it to them in the end, although I think the overall effect will be minimal.

[Irrigation Guy]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Funny how a few months back I accused Islander and Island Lover of being the same person. The lack of response at that time said enough for me.

Anyone have any D-Con handy???

Lets face it, the end result of a speed limit being broken in a fatal accident will tag on a $50 or so ticket to the offender, the life would still be lost. I hope their fight to get a speed limit is worth it to them in the end, although I think the overall effect will be minimal.

and if the speeding boat stays 150' away from other vessels there won't be an accident. go figure.

[Islander]

Originally Posted by LocalRealtor

He never said you weren't either.

Funny thing is I have asked before and will ask again right here.

Are you the same person or are you not? If not are you all from the same house?

You have the opportunity to clear things up with the truth.

Are you going to come clean or let the speculation continue?

I guess it really doesn't matter because your credibility is sunk now.

I'm sure some hacker could let us know the answers we seek anyway.

I thought I answered it already. But for the record I am one person. I have posted under another name in the past but at this time I am only Islander.

I am surprised there are 3 people using this ip, I would have thought 5 or 6.

You are correct in that it really doesn't matter, nor does the credibility of a online identity.

I have now answered more than I need to, or you have any right to know. The webmaster has not canceled or suspended my membership. If I am acceptable to him I don't need to justify myself to anyone else. I am through posting on this subject, If you have any more complaints address them to the webmaster.

[Irrigation Guy]

Originally Posted by Islander

I thought I answered it already. But for the record I am one person. I have posted under another name in the past but at this time I am only Islander.

I am surprised there are 3 people using this ip, I would have thought 5 or 6.

You are correct in that it really doesn't matter, nor does the credibility of a online identity.

I have now answered more than I need to, or you have any right to know. The webmaster has not canceled or suspended my membership. If I am acceptable to him I don't need to justify myself to anyone else. I am through posting on this subject, If you have any more complaints address them to the webmaster.

Was the other Identity you were posting under Island Lover and if not what was the other identity you were posting under?

Would you also like to let us know that you are the person quoted in the newspaper article speaking on behalf of Winfabs?

A special thanks to the webmaster for helping us clarify what has been speculated upon here in the forum and privately.