Moultonboro State Rep Betsey Patten

TomC · 11-01-2007, 08:25 AM

if you don't like the spending and Vote...them...out...

wifi · 11-01-2007, 08:37 AM

I do try to vote them out. I am hoping other voters read my text, so maybe we can get together and vote in conservative spenders.

KonaChick · 11-01-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TomC

if you don't like the spending and Vote...them...out...

As I understand it, lakefront property owners who do not live there full time have no voting privileges. I think if that ever changes you'd see a dramatic change in spending because ridiculous things like $30,000 air conditioned dog cages would be voted down.

TomC · 11-01-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KonaChick

As I understand it, lakefront property owners who do not live there full time have no voting privileges. I think if that ever changes you'd see a dramatic change in spending because ridiculous things like $30,000 air conditioned dog cages would be voted down.

...but i would think that permanent residents would also object to a $30K airconditioned dog cage. I don't see a correlation between the seasonal residents and common sense that your message implies??? Some of the permanent residents of these lakefront towns are struggling to get by - why in the world would they approve this expenditure?

In my neighborhood there are plenty of lakefront residents that have changed to year-round living so they can vote. They also bring with them the "flat-lander politics" that others were objecting to in another thread. That's the law of unintended consequences at work... if the towns continue to hose the non-resident tax payer, then many of them may very well change their living/residence status and begin imposing the rest of their politics while they are voting on budgets...

ps ..in CT property owners (who pay taxes) can vote on the town budget. Doesn't that make sense?

KonaChick · 11-01-2007, 11:55 AM

Go look at what the town of Moultonboro has spent and what they've spent it on in the last 5 or 6 years...it appears the permanent residents who have voting powers don't object to the spending.

eyenotall777 · 11-01-2007, 12:12 PM

Please keep in mind that there is a difference...That not all lakefront owners are seasonal, but are there at least 48x through out a whole year, whether it be during the week or weekends and pay the same amount of taxes as primary residents and most, if not all do not send their children to the public schools. NH is a mostly a recreational state and the NH government is changing that. Point I am saying-Here full time and still cannot vote because do not use as primary.

KonaChick · 11-01-2007, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by eyenotall777

Please keep in mind that there is a difference...That not all lakefront owners are seasonal, but are there at least 48x through out a whole year, whether it be during the week or weekends and pay the same amount of taxes as primary residents and most, if not all do not send their children to the public schools. NH is a mostly a recreational state and the NH government is changing that. Point I am saying-Here full time and still cannot vote because do not use as primary.

mmmmmmmmm....huh??

eyenotall777 · 11-01-2007, 05:08 PM

I am referencing TomC's headline "i understand seasonal residents can't vote (in NH)" in regards to your statement. You state your understanding as "lakefront property owners who do not live there full time have no voting privileges".

All I am saying is that I am not "seasonal". I am there at least 48 weeks (I would consider that "full time", some may not) out of 52 weeks a year, pay the same taxes, do not send children to schools and do NOT have the right to vote.

Some think that if peeps are not there full time (7 days/week ?) that we are considered "seasonal". I do not deny that there are "seasonals", but to me, I am at my place as least 3 nights straight every week out of a year...I do not consider that "seasonal" but some may and I do not have a right to vote.

KonaChick · 11-01-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eyenotall777

I am referencing TomC's headline "i understand seasonal residents can't vote (in NH)" in regards to your statement. You state your understanding as "lakefront property owners who do not live there full time have no voting privileges".

All I am saying is that I am not "seasonal". I am there at least 48 weeks (I would consider that "full time", some may not) out of 52 weeks a year, pay the same taxes, do not send children to schools and do NOT have the right to vote.

Some think that if peeps are not there full time (7 days/week ?) that we are considered "seasonal". I do not deny that there are "seasonals", but to me, I am at my place as least 3 nights straight every week out of a year...I do not consider that "seasonal" but some may and I do not have a right to vote.

I'm curious as to why you don't consider this your permanent residence if you're here 48 weeks out of the year as you stated?? I would assume that the other 4 weeks you're at another residence?? Why would you claim the place you're at for 4 weeks out of the year to be your permanent residence? What am i missing?

LIforrelaxin · 11-01-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KonaChick

I'm curious as to why you don't consider this your permanent residence if you're here 48 weeks out of the year as you stated?? I would assume that the other 4 weeks you're at another residence?? Why would you claim the place you're at for 4 weeks out of the year to be your permanent residence? What am i missing?

It is not about weeks..... it is about days.... If eyenotall is only at his winnipesaukee home 3 nights a week that is 3 x 52 or 156 days.... now most states draw the residency line at being in thier state for 180 days which clearly eyenotall meets in his home state..... then add in that his work is in the other state, and his kids go to school in the other state....

fatlazyless · 12-06-2007, 10:02 PM

Tax assessments hearings end with more criticism
Thursday, December 6, 2007

Lincoln N.H. (AP) - Hearings around New Hampshire on the way property values are determined ended the way they began, with questions about how views should be considered and a call for the chairman of a state board to resign.

The Assessing Standards Board held the last of the series of hearings in Lincoln on Tuesday. About two dozen people turned out, including residents who attended the first meeting in Colebrook a month ago.

At that meeting, Stewartstown resident Rick Samson asked board chair Betsey Patten to step down. He asked again Tuesday night.

Samson: "Will you resign?"

Patten: "I will discuss your question with the board when we sit on Dec.13."

Samson: "I asked you for your answer."

Patten: "You are not going to get one."

Others said they were frustrated not to have received answers to questions they asked at earlier forums. Patten has said the questions would be discussed at the Dec. 13 meeting, and those who asked them would be contacted with responses.

Many questions delt with what critics are calling a "view tax." They say assessmens have risen unfairly on property with views.

Tom Thomson of Orford, a tax critic and member of the board questioned Revenue Commissioner Phil Blatsos, saying he didn't believe the board or Blatsos had been serving taxpayers.

Thomson said there is no definition of a view in assessing manuals.

"It is the wow factor or the you-know-it-when-you-see-it," he said, adding that he has had several conversations with Blatsos about clarifying the view issue in the draft of an assessing reference manual the board has been developing for nearly two years.

"We are still no closer than we were a year ago," Thomson said. "You told me commissioner, we were going to do that and we have not done that. If this state was going to value views, we need a clear and concise definition.

"(The public) is crying for answers," he said.
............................................

My opinion here: This hopefully is an issue which will not go away and will get bigger and bigger as we get closer to the November 2008 election.

If you feel the same, then lets vote Moultonboro State Rep Betsey Patten a new title as a FORMER State Rep.

Now that some long time NH residents who have views are getting hit with some big property tax bills, it is not just waterfronters like myself who are feeling the pain. It is absolutely not a good feeling to watch your property tax bill grow and grow every year until you seriously wonder how you will be able to afford your home. When it's a house that's been in your family for generations, pelple start to think,,,,ugh...no...what exactly is happening here, and it is not a happy place to be.

11-01-2007, 08:25 AM	#1
TomC Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 730 Thanks: 27 Thanked 123 Times in 80 Posts	go to your polling place.. if you don't like the spending and Vote...them...out...

11-01-2007, 11:55 AM	#5
KonaChick Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 518 Thanks: 19 Thanked 62 Times in 15 Posts	Then why aren't permanent residents voting these things down?? Go look at what the town of Moultonboro has spent and what they've spent it on in the last 5 or 6 years...it appears the permanent residents who have voting powers don't object to the spending.

11-01-2007, 12:12 PM	#6
eyenotall777 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 154 Thanks: 40 Thanked 28 Times in 19 Posts	Not all lake owners are Seasonal.....(in NH) Please keep in mind that there is a difference...That not all lakefront owners are seasonal, but are there at least 48x through out a whole year, whether it be during the week or weekends and pay the same amount of taxes as primary residents and most, if not all do not send their children to the public schools. NH is a mostly a recreational state and the NH government is changing that. Point I am saying-Here full time and still cannot vote because do not use as primary.

12-06-2007, 10:02 PM	#11
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,853 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 303 Thanked 1,038 Times in 757 Posts	Laconia Citizen Associated Press article Tax assessments hearings end with more criticism Thursday, December 6, 2007 Lincoln N.H. (AP) - Hearings around New Hampshire on the way property values are determined ended the way they began, with questions about how views should be considered and a call for the chairman of a state board to resign. The Assessing Standards Board held the last of the series of hearings in Lincoln on Tuesday. About two dozen people turned out, including residents who attended the first meeting in Colebrook a month ago. At that meeting, Stewartstown resident Rick Samson asked board chair Betsey Patten to step down. He asked again Tuesday night. Samson: "Will you resign?" Patten: "I will discuss your question with the board when we sit on Dec.13." Samson: "I asked you for your answer." Patten: "You are not going to get one." Others said they were frustrated not to have received answers to questions they asked at earlier forums. Patten has said the questions would be discussed at the Dec. 13 meeting, and those who asked them would be contacted with responses. Many questions delt with what critics are calling a "view tax." They say assessmens have risen unfairly on property with views. Tom Thomson of Orford, a tax critic and member of the board questioned Revenue Commissioner Phil Blatsos, saying he didn't believe the board or Blatsos had been serving taxpayers. Thomson said there is no definition of a view in assessing manuals. "It is the wow factor or the you-know-it-when-you-see-it," he said, adding that he has had several conversations with Blatsos about clarifying the view issue in the draft of an assessing reference manual the board has been developing for nearly two years. "We are still no closer than we were a year ago," Thomson said. "You told me commissioner, we were going to do that and we have not done that. If this state was going to value views, we need a clear and concise definition. "(The public) is crying for answers," he said. ............................................ My opinion here: This hopefully is an issue which will not go away and will get bigger and bigger as we get closer to the November 2008 election. If you feel the same, then lets vote Moultonboro State Rep Betsey Patten a new title as a FORMER State Rep. Now that some long time NH residents who have views are getting hit with some big property tax bills, it is not just waterfronters like myself who are feeling the pain. It is absolutely not a good feeling to watch your property tax bill grow and grow every year until you seriously wonder how you will be able to afford your home. When it's a house that's been in your family for generations, pelple start to think,,,,ugh...no...what exactly is happening here, and it is not a happy place to be.

11-01-2007, 08:37 AM	#2
wifi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 1,321 Thanks: 282 Thanked 287 Times in 169 Posts	I do try to vote them out. I am hoping other voters read my text, so maybe we can get together and vote in conservative spenders.

11-01-2007, 05:08 PM	#8
eyenotall777 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 154 Thanks: 40 Thanked 28 Times in 19 Posts	I am referencing TomC's headline "i understand seasonal residents can't vote (in NH)" in regards to your statement. You state your understanding as "lakefront property owners who do not live there full time have no voting privileges". All I am saying is that I am not "seasonal". I am there at least 48 weeks (I would consider that "full time", some may not) out of 52 weeks a year, pay the same taxes, do not send children to schools and do NOT have the right to vote. Some think that if peeps are not there full time (7 days/week ?) that we are considered "seasonal". I do not deny that there are "seasonals", but to me, I am at my place as least 3 nights straight every week out of a year...I do not consider that "seasonal" but some may and I do not have a right to vote.