Charge Hikers F&G rescue Fee

SIKSUKR · 02-19-2008, 09:27 AM

WMUR's story

POSTED: 3:00 pm EST February 18, 2008
UPDATED: 7:37 am EST February 19, 2008

CRAWFORD NOTCH, N.H. -- Teams suspended their search Monday night for two Virginia hikers believed lost in Crawford Notch.

Fish and Game Department officials said Alex Obert, 30, and Steven McCay, 29, both of Arlington, Va., were planning to hike Presidential Traverse and exit at the Highland Center at the top of Crawford Notch on Sunday afternoon.

The two men were last seen at about 8:30 a.m. Sunday and might have been spotted by hikers north of Jefferson, N.H., at about 11:30 a.m., officials said.

Several teams swept the trails on foot and stopped the search at 9 p.m. Monday. Officials said rainy conditions were making the search difficult.

The men are believed to be well equipped with good hiking experience.

Friends of the men said they are paramedics and firefighters in Virginia. The men hiked the same area of the Presidential Trail last summer and had recently ice climbed in Colorado.

hazelnut · 02-19-2008, 09:59 AM

It's called taxes. Just as it has been said in this thread. The real cost is obscured by the fact that some of these rescuers receive a salary for being at work. That salary pays for their training and preparedness in the event that they are needed. Some are volunteers as well. Of course there is the fuel for the chopper and things like that. We all pay for that same service provided every day by our law enforcement officers to be there when rescue is needed. Similar to driving a car and getting in an accident, police and fire are there for us when we need them. I know it isn't the same as people making bad decisions wandering off into the woods.... or is it? People who drive dangerously and end up wrapped around a pole due to negligence and or alcohol consumption are in the same category. Are these people charged? Probably not. We all foot the bill for stupidity every day, it's called living in a society. My thought is it aint changin anytime soon. So the only option is to dig a snow cave in the Northwest territory if you don't like it.

Weirs guy · 02-19-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hazelnut

Similar to driving a car and getting in an accident, police and fire are there for us when we need them. I know it isn't the same as people making bad decisions wandering off into the woods.... or is it?

After the 3rd car skids off an icy road they either send the sand truck or close the road. When the 3rd group of hikers gets lost we just fire up the chopper and go looking again?

Fool me once.....

ApS · 03-21-2008, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by hazelnut

"...I know it isn't the same as people making bad decisions wandering off into the woods.... or is it? People who drive dangerously and end up wrapped around a pole due to negligence and or alcohol consumption are in the same category. Are these people charged? Probably not. We all foot the bill for stupidity every day, it's called living in a society. My thought is it aint changin anytime soon..."

It's changin' in Michigan!

Quote:

"...In the early spring of 2007, a 35 year old man from downstate Michigan buried his quad in a swampy portion of Bodi Lake. Photos of him having his four wheeler towed from the lake reached the Luce County Sheriff's Department, an investigation followed and the man was ticketed for the destruction. He was fined $250 payable to Luce County and $2000 in restitution payable to the State of Michigan.

"In addition, he lost ORV, snowmobile and boating privilages for one year and was given twelve months probation..."

hazelnut · 03-21-2008, 03:52 PM

One small step for mankind.....

Bear Islander · 03-22-2008, 08:17 PM

Coincidentally a friend of mine, Hannah, has had an accident and requires rescue. She is 425 miles from the North Pole and ever further from human habitation. I received an email yesterday from her saying she fell in a hole due to shifting ice and has injured her back and leg.

I am sponsoring her in her attempt to be the first woman to solo from land to the Pole. Luckily she was able to extract herself and set up her tent. Temperatures there are around 50 below. She is in a fracture zone so the question is can a ski plane can land in her vicinity. It takes about 4 hours to travel one mile in a fracture zone, so landing close is essential.

It makes my own problems seem very small.

hazelnut · 03-23-2008, 01:02 AM

Bear Islander,

Please keep us up to date on her condition. I will pray for her safety and hope that she receives help. It makes you feel so helpless when you can't help someone in such a situation.

Skip · 03-23-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by hazelnut

Bear Islander,

Please keep us up to date on her condition. I will pray for her safety and hope that she receives help. It makes you feel so helpless when you can't help someone in such a situation.

If you want to follow Hannah McKeand's ordeal or also be a sponsor you can visit her WEBSITE and obtain copious information on her trek. Pretty interesting stuff....

GWC... · 03-23-2008, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

Coincidentally a friend of mine, Hannah, has had an accident and requires rescue. She is 425 miles from the North Pole and ever further from human habitation. I received an email yesterday from her saying she fell in a hole due to shifting ice and has injured her back and leg.

I am sponsoring her in her attempt to be the first woman to solo from land to the Pole. Luckily she was able to extract herself and set up her tent. Temperatures there are around 50 below. She is in a fracture zone so the question is can a ski plane can land in her vicinity. It takes about 4 hours to travel one mile in a fracture zone, so landing close is essential.

It makes my own problems seem very small.

and the answer is?

24 hours / 4 hours per mile = 6 miles

Have they reached Hannah?

02-19-2008, 09:27 AM	#1
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Still not found yet WMUR's story POSTED: 3:00 pm EST February 18, 2008 UPDATED: 7:37 am EST February 19, 2008 CRAWFORD NOTCH, N.H. -- Teams suspended their search Monday night for two Virginia hikers believed lost in Crawford Notch. Fish and Game Department officials said Alex Obert, 30, and Steven McCay, 29, both of Arlington, Va., were planning to hike Presidential Traverse and exit at the Highland Center at the top of Crawford Notch on Sunday afternoon. The two men were last seen at about 8:30 a.m. Sunday and might have been spotted by hikers north of Jefferson, N.H., at about 11:30 a.m., officials said. Several teams swept the trails on foot and stopped the search at 9 p.m. Monday. Officials said rainy conditions were making the search difficult. The men are believed to be well equipped with good hiking experience. Friends of the men said they are paramedics and firefighters in Virginia. The men hiked the same area of the Presidential Trail last summer and had recently ice climbed in Colorado. __________________ SIKSUKR

02-19-2008, 09:59 AM	#2
hazelnut Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,348 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 508 Thanked 462 Times in 162 Posts	We DO pay It's called taxes. Just as it has been said in this thread. The real cost is obscured by the fact that some of these rescuers receive a salary for being at work. That salary pays for their training and preparedness in the event that they are needed. Some are volunteers as well. Of course there is the fuel for the chopper and things like that. We all pay for that same service provided every day by our law enforcement officers to be there when rescue is needed. Similar to driving a car and getting in an accident, police and fire are there for us when we need them. I know it isn't the same as people making bad decisions wandering off into the woods.... or is it? People who drive dangerously and end up wrapped around a pole due to negligence and or alcohol consumption are in the same category. Are these people charged? Probably not. We all foot the bill for stupidity every day, it's called living in a society. My thought is it aint changin anytime soon. So the only option is to dig a snow cave in the Northwest territory if you don't like it.

03-21-2008, 03:52 PM	#5
hazelnut Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,348 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 508 Thanked 462 Times in 162 Posts	One small step for mankind.....

03-22-2008, 08:17 PM	#6
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	Coincidentally a friend of mine, Hannah, has had an accident and requires rescue. She is 425 miles from the North Pole and ever further from human habitation. I received an email yesterday from her saying she fell in a hole due to shifting ice and has injured her back and leg. I am sponsoring her in her attempt to be the first woman to solo from land to the Pole. Luckily she was able to extract herself and set up her tent. Temperatures there are around 50 below. She is in a fracture zone so the question is can a ski plane can land in her vicinity. It takes about 4 hours to travel one mile in a fracture zone, so landing close is essential. It makes my own problems seem very small.

03-23-2008, 01:02 AM	#7
hazelnut Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,348 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 508 Thanked 462 Times in 162 Posts	Bear Islander, Please keep us up to date on her condition. I will pray for her safety and hope that she receives help. It makes you feel so helpless when you can't help someone in such a situation.