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Old 04-21-2008, 07:33 AM   #1
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Thumbs up Finally Bear Islander is put in his place

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You guys are priceless. Is this a comedy routine? Skipper posts several long rambling posts. Richard answered with a few sentences including wishing both sides luck at the hearing. And he is called to task for "spins, spews and distractions".
I admire Skipper of the Sea Que and the others that were on the side against the 45/25 m.p.h. limits. They showed remarkable self control. The thread was started by Skip to point to a Speed Limit letter by a Marine Patrol official who was directly involved in the speed testing. Then followed a barrage of posts from pro 45/25 limit supporters championed by Bear Islander. They challenged the MP statements and a heated exchange of posts ensued.

You are spinning right now Islander. Your poor buddy (Richard) Bear Islander's last message and a small percentage of others were so sweet. That notwithstanding he had a heap of posts with gyroscopic spin. There was massive spewing, many distractions and misdirections. Bear Islander ignored numerous questions and statements. Many of his posts had an undertone of ill will and insulted some respondents IMO of course.

The funny part is you look at just one message. You think that erases all the others he has authored. He was not taken to task for his last post. Get real.

Reasonable speed limits are reasonable. 45 m.p.h. day and 25 m.p.h. at night in many cases is not reasonable.

My thanks to The Skipper of the Sea Que and the others that are against this bill.

By the way. Has anyone ever seen Islander and Bear Island in the same place at the same time?

Good job Skipper
Let the debate end.
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Old 04-21-2008, 09:17 AM   #2
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Arrow Lt. Dunleavy's remarks in support of Marine Patrol

598 messages ago Skip started this thread. He posted a link to a letter in the Union Leader by Lt. Dunleavy of NH Marine Patrol speed data untainted responding to allegations critical of Marine Patrol regarding HB 847 (the 45/25 proposed speed limit). Just look at what we did with that thread and information.

Many thanks for the show of support from those who found my posts beneficial. The feedback is/was appreciated.

I am not used to or comfortable with the style of debate exhibited in this thread. We do not have to agree on everything but we can discuss it calmly, rationally, in a friendly manner and with a little bit of fun thrown in. This thread was not enjoyable in my eyes.

As a long time Forum member I have looked forward to checking out this web site as often as I can. Not so since this speed limit harangue. I come here to read about and sometimes talk with old (as in long time) and new forum friends to share information, ideas, thoughts, experiences and enjoy all that this web site has to offer. Not to be insulted or called names and etc..

As for Bear Islander. He has demonstrated a few things to me (at least 2) to use his words, he claims to be an "obnoxious smart ass". Click that for his complete post.

In that same post Bear Islander's summation says it all: "If I ever get the chance to put in a plug to a large audience you can bet the farm it will not be about speed limits on Winnipesaukee. In the great scheme of things, it's just not that important." Amen

Let's hope that this is over and done with soon so we can concentrate on the fun and friendly aspects of the best site on the web, Winnipesaukee.com

Happy and SAFE boating to all. Bring on summer.
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Old 04-21-2008, 06:25 PM   #3
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I am repeatedly accused of calling people names. Twice in recent posts. I would certainly be wrong if I did, but I don't think I have.

It's a perception thing, you don't like what I say, so I must be calling them names.
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Old 04-21-2008, 08:24 PM   #4
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By the way. Has anyone ever seen Islander and Bear Island in the same place at the same time?
I have! Why insinuate?
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Old 04-21-2008, 09:31 PM   #5
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By the way. Has anyone ever seen Islander and Bear Island in the same place at the same time?
That would be easy, if in fact they really are the same person after all...
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That would be easy, if in fact they really are the same person after all...
Another interesting conspiracy theory. Except that the Webmaster would know the truth, IP's are logged I believe.
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Old 04-22-2008, 05:31 AM   #7
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Another interesting conspiracy theory. Except that the Webmaster would know the truth, IP's are logged I believe.
I know, just injecting a bit of humor...This theory went around before, although during the summer on the island it looked to be the same. I am sure this time of year it would be easy to tell.
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I know, just injecting a bit of humor...This theory went around before, although during the summer on the island it looked to be the same. I am sure this time of year it would be easy to tell.
Humor to you I'm sure. Some readers may think its true.
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APS?

Your constant incoherent rants are doing nothing for your case. Your pictures show nothing and prove nothing. A picture of a do not block driveway sign Your claims of 3 people dying? Show me the evidence? Still waiting for proof of that one.

So you want to have your cake AND eat it too. Whether or not people knew about the speed zones it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the majority of boaters DON'T regularly exceed 45mph. I am on the lake ALL SUMMER just about every day. I can tell you that this ridiculous thought that hundreds of boats are speeding around just isn't true!!! You can say it over and over it doesn't make it any more factual. How much are you even on the lake? So whatever you think about the data doesn't mean much to me. A smart person can look at the data and then compare that with what they actually witness on a daily basis and concur that speed is not the problem.
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Old 04-22-2008, 09:51 AM   #10
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Humor to you I'm sure. Some readers may think its true.
What does it matter? Like many I can access several IP addresses. If I wanted sock puppets I could have them. Although sympathetic to speed limits, Islander is not as invested in the minutia of the arguments on this board as BI. They have different tones as well it's really hard to hide tone. I don't think we have a lot of imposters on the board.

Who could fake APS?
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On first reading I knew you must have in mind a different meaning for "sock puppet", so I looked it up on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29
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Default Give it up APS... really... just throw in the towel.

Acres Per Second - you're DONE! You have taken information from another post and put it up here in this one in hopes to gain some traction on your unfounded rants. Reason why you skipped out on that other thread!? Forget it, you have ZERO credibility with me and most others on this site that read your basic, factless, thinly veiled propaganda.

So, you have never heard of Wharton!? Glad you got the most out of that Brewster Education you speak so highly of... http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/

Your little 10' home-built boat that sunk when you were 17 is all you have for "performance boat" experience, well that plus what you read in the latest issue of whatever boating magazine you were able to pick up in your dentists office during your semi-annual visits. I know all about types, construction, hydro-dynamics etc... don't need pictures to show me. And if you don't have the disposable income to buy, own, etc... a real "toy" then what are you basing your viewpoints on!? I don't have the disposable income to buy a private jet, but I'm sure not going to bash them or the owners that do, just because they do.

Aside of that - don't EVER assume that you know me and that I have no "empathy" for anyone - I know the FACTS behind that accident that you posted the picture of and I know the people involved!! Maybe you can ask the kid in the sailboat that was sinking one day off Bear Island that I rescued, got his boat up on the beach and fixed for him what he thinks? Or maybe his folks - ask them... I bet they want to keel haul me for being so "unempathetic"!?

As for the poor choice - I was referring to drinking then getting behind the wheel of a boat.

Not that it matters but, been riding motorcycles since I was 9 years old, (I'm now 39) been on dirt, been on the street, been on the track, been over 140mph, I know all about speed, helmets and their usage - one saved my life one day - but thanks!

So, you're that good that you can tell me - without being there, in the boat - that the other boat "appears" to be a 1/2 mile away from us!?!? Hmmm - give me the mathematical formula you used for that please.

And I asked you about organized poker runs - not what you are assimilating to be a busy weekend that somehow you feel is a poker run. BTW, that picture you posted of the two boats passing the bass boat, do you (really) know how fast they were going? Do you (really) know how far away from each other they were? Did you pull out your fancy abacus / slide rule or whatever you used for the guess on my Delta distance to figure it out!? They could be just violating the 150' safe passage law, couldn't they!? Something I have seen 100x in a week by jet skis, bowriders and the like... again, thin at best.

I can make a car accident look like it was the fault of the driver, the driver of the other car, the squirrel that ran into the road, the radio - take your pick! Again, boating accidents happen - car accidents happen - planes crash - trains derail... Look at the facts and tell me what you know from first-hand experience and JUST THE FACTS! Don't spin 'em, skew 'em and twist 'em all up to make it seem like you know what you are talking about, or what you refer to is reality.

Seriously - please go back and read what you have been posting... you are sounding more and more like you are making this stuff up. It's not even fun anymore to debate these issues with you. It's like sitting in a room and watching Warren Buffett (you know who he is right, it's not the singer that is famous for Margaritaville ) and Jessica Simpson discuss the nuances of investment in domestic textile industries! You keep digging and digging and getting less dirt on your shovel!
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Red face Question for Skipper of the Sea-Que...

Skipper,

You mentioned disliking the "speed limit harangue" .

"Harangue" is defined as: "harangue (n): A long pompous speech..."

Does the following qualify as a "harangue"?

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Acres Per Second - you're DONE! You have taken information from another post and put it up here in this one in hopes to gain some traction on your unfounded rants. Reason why you skipped out on that other thread!? Forget it, you have ZERO credibility with me and most others on this site that read your basic, factless, thinly veiled propaganda.

So, you have never heard of Wharton!? Glad you got the most out of that Brewster Education you speak so highly of... http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/

Your little 10' home-built boat that sunk when you were 17 is all you have for "performance boat" experience, well that plus what you read in the latest issue of whatever boating magazine you were able to pick up in your dentists office during your semi-annual visits. I know all about types, construction, hydro-dynamics etc... don't need pictures to show me. And if you don't have the disposable income to buy, own, etc... a real "toy" then what are you basing your viewpoints on!? I don't have the disposable income to buy a private jet, but I'm sure not going to bash them or the owners that do, just because they do.

Aside of that - don't EVER assume that you know me and that I have no "empathy" for anyone - I know the FACTS behind that accident that you posted the picture of and I know the people involved!! Maybe you can ask the kid in the sailboat that was sinking one day off Bear Island that I rescued, got his boat up on the beach and fixed for him what he thinks? Or maybe his folks - ask them... I bet they want to keel haul me for being so "unempathetic"!?

As for the poor choice - I was referring to drinking then getting behind the wheel of a boat.

Not that it matters but, been riding motorcycles since I was 9 years old, (I'm now 39) been on dirt, been on the street, been on the track, been over 140mph, I know all about speed, helmets and their usage - one saved my life one day - but thanks!

So, you're that good that you can tell me - without being there, in the boat - that the other boat "appears" to be a 1/2 mile away from us!?!? Hmmm - give me the mathematical formula you used for that please.

And I asked you about organized poker runs - not what you are assimilating to be a busy weekend that somehow you feel is a poker run. BTW, that picture you posted of the two boats passing the bass boat, do you (really) know how fast they were going? Do you (really) know how far away from each other they were? Did you pull out your fancy abacus / slide rule or whatever you used for the guess on my Delta distance to figure it out!? They could be just violating the 150' safe passage law, couldn't they!? Something I have seen 100x in a week by jet skis, bowriders and the like... again, thin at best.

I can make a car accident look like it was the fault of the driver, the driver of the other car, the squirrel that ran into the road, the radio - take your pick! Again, boating accidents happen - car accidents happen - planes crash - trains derail... Look at the facts and tell me what you know from first-hand experience and JUST THE FACTS! Don't spin 'em, skew 'em and twist 'em all up to make it seem like you know what you are talking about, or what you refer to is reality.

Seriously - please go back and read what you have been posting... you are sounding more and more like you are making this stuff up. It's not even fun anymore to debate these issues with you. It's like sitting in a room and watching Warren Buffett (you know who he is right, it's not the singer that is famous for Margaritaville ) and Jessica Simpson discuss the nuances of investment in domestic textile industries! You keep digging and digging and getting less dirt on your shovel!
The reason for asking, is that we don't seem to be discussing the instability of high speed boating any more and there don't appear to be any worthwhile questions in all that above.

I'm reduced to placing more views of "tunnel-hull" undersides!

(At speeds well below DoTheMath's 110-MPH tunnel-hulled Skater, BTW).
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Humor to you I'm sure. Some readers may think its true.
Here's some humor. I have decided to give up on the fighting the speed limit and join Evenstar. I think all motorized boats should prohibited. Using the logic from BI, that 35 is safer than 45, etc. zero HAS to be the safest speed.

So I wrote a letter to my rep and asked him to submit a bill next year to prohibit motorized boats in Winni. Statistics CLEARLY show there are more accidents in slower/smallers boats than larger ones, so let's just get rid of all of them. Island folks, sorry, better start getting in shape to paddle your way to them. Evenstar can probably put you on a good training program.

I'm going to use the same lobbying plan that Winnfabs uses and APS. I'll paint the gory picture of how unsafe motorized boats are and show gory pictures of the massacres. Tell how people fell off bowriders and get killed by props while enjoying the lake.

Then, I'll personally pay ARG (American Research Group) to conduct a survey, here are my questions?

Would Winnipesaukee be safer if motorized boats were not allowed?

Would you feel safe in a kayak if no motorized boats were around?

Etc.
Etc.

Then I'll pull in the Sail boats clubs to join my fight and have them recount ALL their horror stories of close calls with those pesky motorized boats.

Seriously, what rep wouldn't want to side with me? The stories, the stats, the survey, the associations are all on my side. It's a no brainer.

Now from my waterfront home, I can sit on my beach and have a conversation with my neighbor across the bay. What a perfect world. I'm sold.
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Another interesting conspiracy theory. Except that the Webmaster would know the truth, IP's are logged I believe.
Surely someone with modest means or even vast personal wealth could afford 2 IPs. Even use a proxy.

What is it that you say Webmaster knows as truth?

Bear Islander must have been a used car salesman at some time. Say whatever it takes to make a sale.
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