MP - Seriously?

[Airwaves]

I'm just back from a lovely vacation on the coast of Maine. While on the coast I was listening to the USCG.

I found it interesting that the USCG Sector Northern New England issued a severe thunderstorm warning for INTERIOR NH a week ago Sunday. The same area that was devistated by wx leaving one woman dead recently.

Funny the USCG will warn boaters and of severe weather for an area outside of their AOR but the NH Marine Patrol doesn't take a similar responsibility for their own AOR! Go ahead and justify why the Marine Patrol won't do it for the boating public while they do make the announcements to their own crews all you want.

I was also surprised by the different approach of public safety people regarding interaction with tourists. The local PD did a sweep of the beach several times while I was there and listening. How many arrests? Zero. How many warnings? 94 during the first sweep. Warnings vs tickets.

It seems that some resort areas are much better at dealing with their "Golden goose" than others.

Looking back at the post that started this thread I'd say NH needs to get its act together or folks (like me) will continue generating money in NH but spend it in Maine.

Go ahead bash away

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Airwaves

...Looking back at the post that started this thread I'd say NH needs to get its act together or folks (like me) will continue generating money in NH but spend it in Maine...

Ah, the good ol' days....

1992

[Airwaves]

Hey Skip,

1992 heh? I'm better than I thought, posting I was leaving the forum 14 years before I ever heard about the forum or joined!

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[Skip]

Originally Posted by Airwaves

Hey Skip,

1992 heh? I'm better than I thought, posting I was leaving the forum 14 years before I ever heard about the forum or joined!


Nope, I'm not going away, just my disposable income

1992 is the attachment number...the post date is in 2006, after another one of your long and tireless rants against the State in general and the Marine Patrol in particular, and is clearly embedded in the attachment.

[Airwaves]

Nope, still not seeing 1992, as a matter of fact if the information contained is correct I have only posted twice since the post date of 2006!

Something that I did learn during my trip to the coast of Maine that I will pass along. While out on Winnipesaukee in the past I have heard the Coast Guard Portland on my VHF radio issue a "Securite" for severe weather information and been instructed to switch to channel 22 Alpha. I never bothered to switch to 22 Alpha assuming that the severe weather information pertained only to the coast of Maine and not interior NH.

After these past couple of weeks, learning the NHMP doesn't issue these weather warnings to NH boaters, but the Coast Guard in Maine does issue a broadcast when severe weather is in the Winnipesaukee area, I'll be switching to channel 22 Alpha to make certain.

It's funny though, after a number of my "rants" about the way NH does business or about the NHMP I have read several others make the very same suggestions I was bashed for several months later...so when I suggest something that might make something easier or clear up an ambiguity it's just me trying to make NH more like Mass because I'm from "away"?

That's mighty neighborly of ya'll, so I'll take the money I generate in NH and spend it in a place that is actually friendly to folks from "away"

Yep, careful what you wish for...you might get it. No, not me leaving, just my disposable income leaving and more importantly others with disposable income finding other resort communities that are happy to see us

[topwater]

Airwaves, OUTSTANDING POST! 1 Down -- 200,000 out staters to go. Please check in with us every once in awhile, and lets us know where the good lobster places are. Have a WONDERFUL TIME, and don't forget to tell all your buddies about how great Maine is. There is a MOOSEHEAD LAKE FORUM, so, go get-em tiger~!!

[Airwaves]

Too many black flies at Moosehead! Nope, the coast is lovely!

A final note to bring it back to my original thoughts before Skip jumped in to wave goodbye.

Why doesn't the NHMP warn NH boaters, like they do with their own crews, when severe weather is approaching? Someone pointed out that it might take too much time to monitor the weather at NHMP HQ but since they already warn their own crews it appears they do monitor the weather and are aware of dangerous conditions.

And to bring up my observation on the differing ways public safety officials treat tourists...94 warnings, no tickets and no arrests...just letting tourists know about a town by-law vs the situation outlined in the first post of this thread. I seem to remember other posts involving the NHMP picking off boaters as they left the Weirs...maybe it was on the 4th of July or there about?

Those kinds of stories, coupled with the fear mongering that's been going on for the past 4 years or so, are going to cost Winnipesaukee merchants and ultimately property taxpayers in the long run.

Yankee (out-of-staters) go home, just leave your money!

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by Airwaves

Why doesn't the NHMP warn NH boaters, like they do with their own crews, when severe weather is approaching? Someone pointed out that it might take too much time to monitor the weather at NHMP HQ but since they already warn their own crews it appears they do monitor the weather and are aware of dangerous conditions.

Airwaves -- I can say from "first hand" knowledge that Your Wrong!

We were at the Lake from 7/22 through 8/2 and I personally heard three or four different broadcasts from MP concerning "severe Thunderstorms" (on different days mind you).

Food for thought: Weather advisories, directions, etc use to be the realm of "Mighty Mo" ----- As it seems (to me at least) that "Mighty Mo" is on air less often, for obvious reasons -- it would appear that MP has picked up the slack in announcing Severe Weather warnings

[Airwaves]

Originally posted by Phantom
Airwaves -- I can say from "first hand" knowledge that Your Wrong!

We were at the Lake from 7/22 through 8/2 and I personally heard three or four different broadcasts from MP concerning "severe Thunderstorms" (on different days mind you).

It's about time someone answered the question one way or another.

Just over two weeks ago on 7/22 in post #19 I first raised the issue of whether the NHMP issued such warnings during the recent weather. On 7/24 in post #31 I flat out asked forum members if anyone had heard such a broadcast by the NHMP. Two weeks later you are the only person who has responded to that question.

So does that mean it didn't happen or that you're (correct contraction) the only one on the forum that had their Marine VHF radio on?

BTW, I was up at the lake during Bike Week (6/15-6/22). A tornado warning was issued by the NWS I think on the Saturday of that week. I heard the NHMP on their dispatch frequency warn NHMP crews to seek shelter but I did NOT hear a corresponding broadcast on Marine VHF 16 to give the boating public the same warning. (Yes I was listening to both)

I wonder if the NHMP started issuing these warnings after we started discussing the question? If so GREAT! Keep it up!

[Joanna16]

As this horse is just about dead now . . . . . I started this thread just to point out that there is a right time and place for all actions: mine, yours and Marine Patrols.
I did not expect MP to warn me of the storm - I am not stupid I checked the weather for the day I knew storms would be popping up.
I did HOWEVER think that the appropriate time to talk about rafting, spacing, anchoring etc was not as we were about to get hit by one of these storms.
I did expect MP to be more concerned with our safty during the impending weather.
I did expect that the 50+ boats that left prior to the storm in a pack at 45+ mph would cause MP to find something better to do than harass me.

Knowing the weather condition for the day is part of your boater safty obligation. How you obtain that info is up to you: a weather radio, a cell phone, a Blackberry with intrnet . . . . etc

[Airwaves]

Originally posted by Joanna16
I did not expect MP to warn me of the storm - I am not stupid I checked the weather for the day I knew storms would be popping up.

Then I guess we'll leave it that your interpretation of the NHMP Mission statement and mine are different!

The Marine Patrol’s mission is to provide a safe, enjoyable, and environmentally responsible use for all of the State’s public waters.

Safe to me would include notification of dangerous situations, be it weather related or other, when I am on my boat in NH.

We all know that checking the weather before you go out for the day is critical and good boating practice, but as anyone who has ever spent more than a day in New England also knows, the weather can change and become dangerous very quickly in spite of the forecast.

If you're out on the lake, grooving to tunes on XM while rafting then it certainly would be nice to get a heads up that a tornado is moving through the area...ya think?
(just a guess on my part but I doubt that anyone leaves a wx radio running while underway or rafting)

The Coast Guard does it (and they have more responsibilities and duties to perform than the NHMP) so it is not unreasonable to expect the Marine Patrol to provide the same service they provide to their own crews, to the boating public as well in order to help keep NH boaters SAFE. out.

[NightWing]

Originally Posted by Airwaves

The Coast Guard does it (and they have more responsibilities and duties to perform than the NHMP) so it is not unreasonable to expect the Marine Patrol to provide the same service they provide to their own crews, to the boating public as well in order to help keep NH boaters SAFE. out.

So, by that analysis, your local town/city government should be able to man and bankroll countless services and programs as well as the US Government.

[Rose]

Originally Posted by Airwaves

(just a guess on my part but I doubt that anyone leaves a wx radio running while underway or rafting)

I can verify that your guess is wrong...we also bring the lightning detector. But we're a couple of weather weenies, so we might not count.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Airwaves

Then I guess we'll leave it that your interpretation of the NHMP Mission statement and mine are different!

Safe to me would include notification of dangerous situations, be it weather related or other, when I am on my boat in NH.

We all know that checking the weather before you go out for the day is critical and good boating practice, but as anyone who has ever spent more than a day in New England also knows, the weather can change and become dangerous very quickly in spite of the forecast.

If you're out on the lake, grooving to tunes on XM while rafting then it certainly would be nice to get a heads up that a tornado is moving through the area...ya think?
(just a guess on my part but I doubt that anyone leaves a wx radio running while underway or rafting)

The Coast Guard does it (and they have more responsibilities and duties to perform than the NHMP) so it is not unreasonable to expect the Marine Patrol to provide the same service they provide to their own crews, to the boating public as well in order to help keep NH boaters SAFE. out.

I would not expect that from MP. I am perfectly capable of keeping myself safe. In fact, it is my personal responsibility. But we have no more room for that in NH anymore, do we?

I don't have a radio of any kind on my boat. Should there be a law that states I must have one? That way, the MPs broadcast would be sure to reach everyone!

[Phantom]

Airwaves --

Why do you persist in beating your own drum ????

I told you NHMP DOES broadcast weather warnings !! I heard them myself ........ let your issues with trying to beat up on MP go. Geeeeez

[Airwaves]

Sometimes some of you people truely amaze me.

We are talking about a NHMP dispatcher picking up a microphone on a Marine VHF radio and saying the following:
Securiety, securitey security, hello all stations, this is the New Hampshire Marine Patrol Glendale. Switch channel 1-7 for severe weather broadcast information...out.

Channel 1-7...Securiety security secuirty, hello all stations this is the New Hampshire Marine Patrol Glendale...the National Weather Service has issued a tornado warning for Belknap and Carroll Counties until 2:45. The warning includes but is not limited to Laconia, etc etc.

How much time and money did that take to read?

Nightwing:
So, by that analysis, your local town/city government should be able to man and bankroll countless services and programs as well as the US Government.

chipj29
I would not expect that from MP. I am perfectly capable of keeping myself safe. In fact, it is my personal responsibility. But we have no more room for that in NH anymore, do we?

I don't have a radio of any kind on my boat. Should there be a law that states I must have one? That way, the MPs broadcast would be sure to reach everyone!

Rose:
Quote:

I can verify that your guess is wrong...we also bring the lightning detector. But we're a couple of weather weenies, so we might not count.

Phantom
Airwaves --

Why do you persist in beating your own drum ????

I told you NHMP DOES broadcast weather warnings !! I heard them myself ........ let your issues with trying to beat up on MP go. Geeeeez

So you'd rather that NH's boating safety agency NOT alert boaters to dangers? Why have AToN's? Find out where the rocks are yourself! NHMP doesn't do tows so why are they even in existance? To enforce rafting laws?? Local Police can respond to other issues!!!

Chip if you don't have a radio on board that's your problem, why should I be denied the advantage of the knowledge of approaching danger because you choose not to have a radio?

Phantom, as I pointed out you are the ONLY person to claim to have heard a broadcast and I personally was up there during a tornado warning and heard NO SUCH BROADCAST to the general boating public. Why do I persist in this? To save a life! Maybe mine, maybe yours, who knows?

Truely, I am amazed at the objection to something as simple as this that will provide a safety tool to the NH boating public! But then again, I am from AWAY!

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[NightWing]

Mr Airwaves, on 7-24, in post #42, you claimed to be contacting NHMP with your concerns, questions and demands for information. In your next post, #43, you referenced a list of posts from this thread that you sent to them prior to your vacation.

Now that you are back, many of us are anxious to read their response to you.

[Airwaves]

Mr. Nightwing.
I did receive an answer from the NHMP. I sent the request under my real name and email and received a response under the same.

I have asked you prior what your connection to the NHMP (or law enforcement) was and you have not responded. Unless you state otherwise I will assume that you have a connection to NHMP or law enforcement and that if I post the response you would be able to determine my identity. (or maybe you already know it!)

Now, how about commenting on the post above or are you just trying to change the subject?

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[NightWing]

Originally Posted by Airwaves

Mr. Nightwing.
I did receive an answer from the NHMP. I sent the request under my real name and email and received a response under the same.

I have asked you prior what your connection to the NHMP (or law enforcement) was and you did not respond so unless you state otherwise I will assume you have a connection and if I post the response you would be able to determine my identity. (or maybe already know it!)

Your move.

No sir, I do not have access to your identity, nor do I care who you are. I am sure that I am not the only one interested in the response you received. Failure to present those answers to the forum might lead to speculation that your criticisms and comments did not elicit the reply you were expecting or wanted. My identity or profession is not an issue. Nobody questions your credentials or background when you post. Nobody shall question mine when I respond.

Let's just say that I slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Your move.

[Rose]

Originally Posted by Airwaves

Phantom, as I pointed out you are the ONLY person to claim to have heard a broadcast and I personally was up there during a tornado warning and heard NO SUCH BROADCAST to the general boating public. Why do I persist in this? To save a life! Maybe mine, maybe yours, who knows?

So do you think Lt. Dunleavy was lying when he told you in his response that they broadcast notices to their officers AND the public?

In your town in AWAY, if it has a reverse 911 system, do you expect the police to use that system to notify everyone of incoming severe weather? Or the cruisers to broadcast that info as they drive around town? If not, why not?

[Airwaves]

So let me get this straight.

I bring up the question on July 22 and 24...Did the NHMP issue a severe wx warning?

More than 2 weeks go by before ONE person answers saying they heard the NHMP issue a severe wx warning for other storms.

Still time goes by and NO ONE ELSE chims in....

Lt Dunleavy responds to a note I sent him and says, among other things, that the NHMP issues warnings when they are aware of them.

Then people come out of the woodwork saying Yes, I heard it!

So for more than 2 weeks no one says they heard anything and I ask the question why not and now you are coming down on me like I lit the fuse that blew up the Old Man of the Mountain!

Isn't discussion a great thing? Guess not.

[Silver Duck]

Perhaps the MP has only recently learned from this thread that this is something the boating community would appreciate having them do, because this weekend they most certainly did broadcast a warning (along with relaying a report of large hail observed by an MP boat on Newfound Lake.)

IMHO, some positive feedback to such broadcasts when made (acknowledging the broadcast and thanking them for the advisory) is in order so as to demonstrate that we do, indeed, appreciate the service (as long as our responses don't get out of hand and clog CH 16.)

Silver Duck