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Old 08-23-2008, 11:13 AM   #1
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Rose.... Skip.... and others....

The heart of this thread isn't to create a "big brother" or some utopian forum with lots of censorship but to look at the integrity of the information we're putting out here in cyberspace. The heart of it is to examine what can be done on a personal or collective level. I am very sorry that you feel you can't be a part of this thread.

I sincerely hope that you weren't offended by my initial post and my counter posts and at the same time, I also hope that others posting on this thread will be considerate in their responses. It is my experience that communication on a forum, in writing, is flat - you can't see my face or hear my voice and know that I'm discussing this as an angry person or as a friendly person. There's a lot missing from communication via this medium, I'm afraid.

I honestly take this as a solid debate of the issue and I'm not bothered by people not agreeing with me. IN NO WAY am I saying my idea or notion is the answer - not at all. Some of you posting against the idea have given some good input as well - certainly food for thought.

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Old 08-23-2008, 11:50 AM   #2
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Now,now,everybody.....no need for anyone to leave.Sometimes conversations get "spirited".....I haven't seen a lot that were downright nasty.As long as there are two people left on the planet,there will be disagreements over something and that is fine as long as they are not insulting or disrespectful.
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Old 08-23-2008, 12:15 PM   #3
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It would be best to moderate ALL posts from ALL posters. All of my posts are moderated. After awhile, this muzzle starts to feel normal.
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:53 AM   #4
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It would be best to moderate ALL posts from ALL posters. All of my posts are moderated. After awhile, this muzzle starts to feel normal.
I too am on perpetual muzzle and Ill admit it is with just cause.. i was a brat and got on a rant and Don gave me a well deserved time out.

but back on track.. to expect Don to moderate every post is a bit much.. The expectation is that we will act like adults and post pertinent and factual information regarding restaurants or anything else on these forum... Yeh there are some of us that get out of hand but like anything else we have to use our own judgement and decide for ourselves what information we absorb and what we disregard.
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i was a brat and got on a rant and Don gave me a well deserved time out.
Ah...Kathy, your response to my "time out" was an assault on the site, contact form and many emails just like the one below.

"Brat" is not what I was thinking at the time .

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I've never put anyone on ignore before but I am totally blown away by this. The Nazis were and still are a stain on humanity. To equate them with anyone else other than other genocidal murderers is tatamount to either complete ignorance of what the Nazi's did, or well.... I just can't think of any other reason. Very sad.
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Ah...Kathy, your response to my "time out" was an assault on the site, contact form and many emails just like the one below.

"Brat" is not what I was thinking at the time .
I absolutely positively did not write that..
and I know you will not allow this post to go in the forum so I guess your accusation will stay there for all to see.
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Ah...Kathy, your response to my "time out" was an assault on the site, contact form and many emails just like the one below.

"Brat" is not what I was thinking at the time .
Ok my bad. I know who sent that crap. Now I know why. I thought I was being moderated for my comments regarding ****, which were out of line as well.
I just spoke with the culprit. It wont happen again. My sincerest apologies for being out of line and allowing that to happen. A young impressionable member of my family heard my frustration with my posts being removed and decided it was there place to take matters into their own hands.
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Yikes! And to think that all I did to earn a "double secret probation" was to use Mr C's wifi connection.

BTW, thanks, Don, for letting me off the hook after 3 years. Now, would you please let GTO off too? He's really not such a bad guy.
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I thought I was being moderated for my comments regarding ****
Apology accepted but since you again tried to post the same comment that started all this I guess I have to continue the moderation .

Sorry for the hijack. Please get back to the comments related to restaurant reviews.
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Apology accepted but since you again tried to post the same comment that started all this I guess I have to continue the moderation .

Sorry for the hijack. Please get back to the comments related to restaurant reviews.

I couldnt figure out how to PM you so I posted it to the forum knowing you would get it because i was moderated.. UGH! I cant win
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I have found this thread very interesting, with a lot of good input. I agree with some points made, and disagree with others. Personally, the way I handle things (for lack of a better way to say it) is when I see someone with relatively few posts slamming an establishment or complaining about something, I click on their name and look at other posts they have made. If that person is routinely slamming and/or complaining, I choose to ignore any further posts from him/her. Does that mean I give more weight to people with a high post count? Apparantly so. I don't even know what my own post count is, I would guess it's not as high as I think it is because I quite often compose a post and feel I am not as eloquent in it as I am when talking, so I just plain don't post it. As Argie's Wife said (and I paraphrase here), this is a flat medium and intonations and facial expressions do not play a part in what one is saying.

On another note, Don does do a fabulous job -- I cannot even imagine hosting a website like this, and moderating same all by his onesies............I sure couldn't do it! And I doubt a lot of other people could, either.
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SA brought up the most valid points. It hasn't been that big a problem with most posts, only on a couple of threads. When I read such negative posts, of course, it gives me pause. But I'm quite familiar with boards, so I like to investigate.

On many reviews, things were found to be true, and some didn't like the fact that a place they frequent was not perfect. Some posters have commented on positive changes, maybe as a result of the negativity, maybe just a coincidence. Possibly, a drop in business doe sit.

I've been online for some sixteen years now. By and large, including professional reviews, I've mostly been disappointed by the positive ones with no cons to point out at all. Beware the rose colored glasses. Also, beware the troll with an axe to grind.

PS: I'm still on course to visit the Lobster Pound, and something tells me it's a great place to hang out and eat.
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I think the best course of action when you read a negative review is to wait. I will use the Waldo Peppers thread as an example. Someone posted a pretty negative review, and right away the guy/girl who wrote it got pounded on. Turns out the review was backed up by subsequent negative reviews.
Personally I would never not visit a place based on one single bad review. If there were multiple bad reviews, then I might not go.

Read the review threads as a whole, rather than in bits and pieces. It is a lot easier to form an opinion on multiple posts, rather than just one. Of course, the best opinion is formed by your own personal experience...
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Argie's Wife,
Let's get to the meat of this discussion. Is it your opinion that a poster's opinion is of no value based solely on the number of posts he/she has posted?
My opinion is that the term FORUM indicates that opinions from ALL are considered and discussed. Is it your opinion that those of us who have not reached the "maturity" of 25 posts have no valid input into the discussions and questions that are brought forth in this FORUM? Should we all have to embrace your opinions in order to be taken seriously here?
I have hardly ever read anything so ludicrous on this or any other FORUM. Perhaps you are suggesting that before one is allowed to post that he/she complete a questionnaire to make certain that their opinions are in total agreement with those who are more "experienced" on that particular forum?
I have read many of your posts in the past, and have generally opined that you are of sound mind and generally a reasonable person.
Your more recent postings cause me to rethink that opinion.
But hey, I don't have 25 posts yet, so i guess it doesn't matter.
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Phantom Gourmand...
That's bit strong of a response, no?
I mean, a 25 post limit may not seem like a good idea to you, but, really, I think anyone would have to be blind to at least not see Argie's Wife point a little bit.
New posters have jumped in, with the intention of never coming back. That is indeed a fact. The first (or second) post could, in reality, be anything.
It could contain lies, swears, pornography...anything. She (Argie's Wife) is clearly a reasonable person. I did not see her post as an attack on you...in fact, I sort of agree with "the spirt" of her post...Although I don't think the one hit wonders have been a huge problem.
Let's play nice....
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Maybe my response was a bit strong. I apologize to all concerned.
I do, however, stand by the part where I feel that censorship for "new" forum members seems inappropriate. This is after all a FORUM where all opinions should be accepted as just that...opinions. As a reasonably intelligent individual,(some may not agree ) I think it is pretty easy to weed out those who post with intended malice. I don't feel that one should ever be judged based on the number of posts they may or may not have posted. This rings of censorship at any level and I strongly disagree that it should be condoned. Our webmaster does an impeccable and thankless job of moderating this forum. As it is his, we must all either abide by the rules and regulations he sets forth or move on.
It wasn't really my intent to attack anybody, but as I reread my post, I can understand how it was taken that way. Again, I apologize.
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For the record...

In no way did I say that because you have less than 25 posts that your opinion or post does not matter or count. I do take issue with the few "hit and runs" we've had here lately by people who cry about how they were treated but then it turns out that there was a second "dark side" of the story. You can apply my initial post to yourself as well as you'd like but I don't think the shoe fits you, does it? It's not a personal attack on you.

As it has evolved, this is more a thread about posters having integrity on a personal or collective level. I think that if you had, at first, read what I had written and what others had said you (a) wouldn't have repeated the sentiments of others and (b) wouldn't have posted something you had to apologize for later.

Case in point.... having a keyboard and the First Amendment rights doesn't give anyone the right to be irresponsible in their communication.

I was forewarned about you, by the way.

Your apology is accepted.
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Phantom apologizes.....and continues to rant.I agree with Argies Wife that every now and then someone appears out of nowhere with an agenda,viciously attacking a business or individual and then they disappear.I think she just means that it's good to keep a wary eye on posters that follow this pattern.Phantom ,for example has posted nothing but restaurant reviews in a brief period and wants us to believe,by the choice of his screen name that he is an expert. Time will tell.
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Argie's Wife,
Let's get to the meat of this discussion. Is it your opinion that a poster's opinion is of no value based solely on the number of posts he/she has posted?
My opinion is that the term FORUM indicates that opinions from ALL are considered and discussed. Is it your opinion that those of us who have not reached the "maturity" of 25 posts have no valid input into the discussions and questions that are brought forth in this FORUM? Should we all have to embrace your opinions in order to be taken seriously here?
I have hardly ever read anything so ludicrous on this or any other FORUM. Perhaps you are suggesting that before one is allowed to post that he/she complete a questionnaire to make certain that their opinions are in total agreement with those who are more "experienced" on that particular forum?
I have read many of your posts in the past, and have generally opined that you are of sound mind and generally a reasonable person.
Your more recent postings cause me to rethink that opinion.
But hey, I don't have 25 posts yet, so i guess it doesn't matter.
Sorry, Phantom, I think you need to calm a bit............. I think Argie's Wife was just throwing out a suggestion, trying to calm things down a bit and possibly eliminate some of the people who jump in with a very nasty review/post and make this thread a little more pleasant to read for the rest of us -- and I use that term loosely, by "us" I mean those people (members and non-members, posters and non-posters alike) who read the thread for criticques on restaurants. Of course, I'm not "in her head" as the saying goes, nor do I know her personally, so I can only guess what she was thinking. Personally, I appreciated her suggestion and gave my own input to this thread, i.e. I look at recent posts by new posters (and old, as a matter of fact, if their usually positive posts seem to have taken a turn to the nasty side) and decide if I think their posts have merit.

At any rate, I'm rambling, and I still think you need to calm down a bit. 'Nuff said, it's just my opinion.

AND, has anyone ever noticed that this is one of the most contentious threads on this forum? Where someone can post their opinion on a restaurant and get attacked for voicing their opinion?
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Sorry, Phantom, I think you need to calm a bit............. I think Argie's Wife was just throwing out a suggestion, trying to calm things down a bit and possibly eliminate some of the people who jump in with a very nasty review/post and make this thread a little more pleasant to read for the rest of us -- and I use that term loosely, by "us" I mean those people (members and non-members, posters and non-posters alike) who read the thread for criticques on restaurants. Of course, I'm not "in her head" as the saying goes, nor do I know her personally, so I can only guess what she was thinking. Personally, I appreciated her suggestion and gave my own input to this thread, i.e. I look at recent posts by new posters (and old, as a matter of fact, if their usually positive posts seem to have taken a turn to the nasty side) and decide if I think their posts have merit.

At any rate, I'm rambling, and I still think you need to calm down a bit. 'Nuff said, it's just my opinion.

AND, has anyone ever noticed that this is one of the most contentious threads on this forum? Where someone can post their opinion on a restaurant and get attacked for voicing their opinion?
WB, PG already apologized for that post.

I think it is important for all of us to read our posts a second time before hitting submit, whether it is a rant about a restaurant, about speed limits etc. It is easy to hide behind computers and the anonimity of the 'net.

As it has already been said above- one poor review will not stop me from checking a place out but a bunch will, I always look at post counts, and I usually check past posts when a negative review is posted. Please be cognizant that resaurants live and die by their reputation and reviews. Try to be fair and not only post the bad that you experience but also the good. It seems to be human nature to talk about the bad more than the good.

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WB, PG already apologized for that post.

I think it is important for all of us to read our posts a second time before hitting submit, whether it is a rant about a restaurant, about speed limits etc. It is easy to hide behind computers and the anonimity of the 'net.

As it has already been said above- one poor review will not stop me from checking a place out but a bunch will, I always look at post counts, and I usually check past posts when a negative review is posted. Please be cognizant that resaurants live and die by their reputation and reviews. Try to be fair and not only post the bad that you experience but also the good. It seems to be human nature to talk about the bad more than the good.

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Hi Vita.................. Just to explain, I read a post and hit reply and say what I feel I want to say. Later on I may find where someone apologized for a post and I will either delete or edit my post, in this case I didn't feel it was necessary.

I'm going to assume only the first sentence/paragraph of your post was addressed to me and the remainder was to "ALL" , but I WOULD like to say this -- I myself read my posts not twice and not three times but usually four before hitting the submit key, and quite often I will just plain delete because I've lost my train of thought by then. I like your suggestion however, and that's one of the reasons I don't like the i'net. Then there are "pros" to it, of course........

And I could go on and on with this post, but I won't!

(And PS to ALL: I have been on moderation myself in the past, I'm not on it now and I hope I never will be again! Being on moderation certainly taught me a lesson, so those of you who are -- I only have one thing to say: take that lesson to heart, be nice and play nice, and have compassion even when you are hiding behind your computer screen. The poster you are posting to is a real person, just like you are, not an anonymous 17" or whatever screen, so again, play nice.) And let's all thank Don for the job he does, he could just shut this site down in about 5 seconds if he wanted to.
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WB you understood it correctly. I was merely pointing out that PG had apologized.

The rest of my post were just my musings to the Winnipesaukee.com community- myself included, because I too want this site to stick around.

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