cspa questions about tree counting

Onshore · 10-20-2008, 03:08 PM

If the tree you need to remove is not within 50 ft of the water, then don't worry about the point count that you have within 50 ft. If it is within 50 ft and you need to figure out the points for that one 50 ft segment, start by laying out the boundries of that segment. Once you know the boundries of the segment look at the trees that fall in that area. If you can identify 5 trees greater than 12" diameter in the segment, you've met the standard and can cut any other tree in the segment. The same can be said if you have 4 trees at 12" with 2 trees over 6", or 3 at 12" with 4 over 6". The idea is to define the limits of the area and pick out the tress you most want to keep. Identify trees that you want or may need until the sum total of the point values is 50. The rest can be removed. As bad as it may look on paper, it actually is pretty simple when you lay it out on site. If you need help call the Shoreland Program at (603) 271-2147.

hancoveguy · 10-20-2008, 07:20 PM

thank you all for your input, but... I have more questions.
All of the above mentioned criteria is in regard to the cspa right? What about the town of Moultonborough? Does anyone know if I should plan on getting a hard time from the town? And, as a follow up, If the tree in question is not within the 50 ft but is within the 150 ft I can cut it down, with or without permits?

thanks again

chipj29 · 10-21-2008, 07:59 AM

Isn't the land owned by the campground? I would think that they would have to get the permits and permission required.

hancoveguy · 10-21-2008, 08:21 AM

The campground went condo in the 90's. They own the common areas, we own the sites...

Onshore · 10-21-2008, 08:47 AM

I think Moultonborough requires a permit in the first 150 ft but I'm not certain. Your best bet is to contact the town directly. Good luck. Please let us know what you find.

hancoveguy · 10-21-2008, 09:56 AM

Just spoke with Don C (Moultonorough Building Insp.) told me that if the state (cspa) didn't require a permit for the first 150 ft the town didn't either. There is a tree in the way of the new park model and he told me I could remove it w/out permits from the town.

Also, I have been told that I did not need permits to swap out the actual living quarters only to build new structures on site. Anyone heard anything to the contrary?

thanks

Onshore · 10-21-2008, 12:18 PM

In order to say whether or not a CSPA permit is needed I need to know 2 things:

1. Will the home have the same foot print as the old home?
2. Will the placement involve any excavation or filling as part of the site preparation?

Whether or not you need a CSPA permit I strongly recommend that you contact the DES Subsurface Systems Bureau to determine whether or not you need any approval from them. Their rules changed significantly in Feb of 2008 particularly regarding changes to pre-existing structures.

hancoveguy · 10-21-2008, 12:20 PM

Slightly larger foot print and no excavation

Onshore · 10-21-2008, 01:18 PM

Because there will be a slightly larger footprint you will need a CSPA permit.

hancoveguy · 10-21-2008, 01:23 PM

THANK YOU,
Reviewing the permit checklist now. This is ridiculous... How complicated does this need to be? I was told by the town and everyone else I asked that a permit was not needed to swap out units. I have purchased a unit and it is being delivered in 20 days. This process will take me a month and then the permit takes 30 days to get approved... "I am up a wellknown tributary without a means of locomotion"...so to speak

Onshore · 10-21-2008, 05:57 PM

Call shoreland at DES tomorrow morning and ask to speak with D. Forst.

hancoveguy · 10-21-2008, 07:06 PM

will do... thank you

10-21-2008, 07:59 AM	#3
chipj29 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bow Posts: 1,874 Thanks: 521 Thanked 308 Times in 162 Posts	Isn't the land owned by the campground? I would think that they would have to get the permits and permission required. __________________ Getting ready for winter!

10-20-2008, 03:08 PM	#1
Onshore Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 503 Thanks: 12 Thanked 425 Times in 146 Posts	If the tree you need to remove is not within 50 ft of the water, then don't worry about the point count that you have within 50 ft. If it is within 50 ft and you need to figure out the points for that one 50 ft segment, start by laying out the boundries of that segment. Once you know the boundries of the segment look at the trees that fall in that area. If you can identify 5 trees greater than 12" diameter in the segment, you've met the standard and can cut any other tree in the segment. The same can be said if you have 4 trees at 12" with 2 trees over 6", or 3 at 12" with 4 over 6". The idea is to define the limits of the area and pick out the tress you most want to keep. Identify trees that you want or may need until the sum total of the point values is 50. The rest can be removed. As bad as it may look on paper, it actually is pretty simple when you lay it out on site. If you need help call the Shoreland Program at (603) 271-2147.

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10-20-2008, 07:20 PM	#2
hancoveguy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 276 Thanks: 95 Thanked 65 Times in 30 Posts	thank you all for your input, but... I have more questions. All of the above mentioned criteria is in regard to the cspa right? What about the town of Moultonborough? Does anyone know if I should plan on getting a hard time from the town? And, as a follow up, If the tree in question is not within the 50 ft but is within the 150 ft I can cut it down, with or without permits? thanks again

10-21-2008, 08:21 AM	#4
hancoveguy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 276 Thanks: 95 Thanked 65 Times in 30 Posts	The campground went condo in the 90's. They own the common areas, we own the sites...

10-21-2008, 08:47 AM	#5
Onshore Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 503 Thanks: 12 Thanked 425 Times in 146 Posts	I think Moultonborough requires a permit in the first 150 ft but I'm not certain. Your best bet is to contact the town directly. Good luck. Please let us know what you find.

10-21-2008, 09:56 AM	#6
hancoveguy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 276 Thanks: 95 Thanked 65 Times in 30 Posts	Just spoke with Don C (Moultonorough Building Insp.) told me that if the state (cspa) didn't require a permit for the first 150 ft the town didn't either. There is a tree in the way of the new park model and he told me I could remove it w/out permits from the town. Also, I have been told that I did not need permits to swap out the actual living quarters only to build new structures on site. Anyone heard anything to the contrary? thanks

10-21-2008, 12:18 PM	#7
Onshore Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 503 Thanks: 12 Thanked 425 Times in 146 Posts	In order to say whether or not a CSPA permit is needed I need to know 2 things: 1. Will the home have the same foot print as the old home? 2. Will the placement involve any excavation or filling as part of the site preparation? Whether or not you need a CSPA permit I strongly recommend that you contact the DES Subsurface Systems Bureau to determine whether or not you need any approval from them. Their rules changed significantly in Feb of 2008 particularly regarding changes to pre-existing structures.

10-21-2008, 12:20 PM	#8
hancoveguy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 276 Thanks: 95 Thanked 65 Times in 30 Posts	Slightly larger foot print and no excavation

10-21-2008, 01:18 PM	#9
Onshore Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 503 Thanks: 12 Thanked 425 Times in 146 Posts	Because there will be a slightly larger footprint you will need a CSPA permit.

10-21-2008, 01:23 PM	#10
hancoveguy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 276 Thanks: 95 Thanked 65 Times in 30 Posts	THANK YOU, Reviewing the permit checklist now. This is ridiculous... How complicated does this need to be? I was told by the town and everyone else I asked that a permit was not needed to swap out units. I have purchased a unit and it is being delivered in 20 days. This process will take me a month and then the permit takes 30 days to get approved... "I am up a wellknown tributary without a means of locomotion"...so to speak

10-21-2008, 05:57 PM	#11
Onshore Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 503 Thanks: 12 Thanked 425 Times in 146 Posts	Call shoreland at DES tomorrow morning and ask to speak with D. Forst.

10-21-2008, 07:06 PM	#12
hancoveguy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 276 Thanks: 95 Thanked 65 Times in 30 Posts	will do... thank you