Campfires near lake ?

wifi · 03-15-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mickweed

Hi all,
... Are renters able to obtain permits for campfires in Moultonboro? ....

You can, as long as you have the owners permission.

BAK04GT · 03-15-2009, 12:32 PM

Here you go..plan your little camp fire in advance...dont think your going to get one on Fri. or the weekend..you know state workers http://www.fremont.nh.gov/documents/...itBrochure.pdf

Skip · 03-15-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BAK04GT

Here you go..plan your little camp fire in advance...dont think your going to get one on Fri. or the weekend..you know state workers http://www.fremont.nh.gov/documents/...itBrochure.pdf

Wrong...

The permits are issued locally by individuals designated as wardens, usually within your own local fire department. Many of these individuals, outside of our cities, are unpaid volunteers. The Fremont fire department is very accomodating to it's citizens and a simple phone call ahead of time will secure you a conveniently issued permit.

Or would you rather indeed have the job taken on by the State, with State paid (and benefits & retirement plan) workers available across the State on a 24/7 basis so you don't have to do any pre-planning before you light a fire?

Not me, I prefer this mostly volunteer effort that has served the State extremely well, and very cheaply for a matter of decades.

But that's just my opinion....

BAK04GT · 03-15-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

Wrong...

The permits are issued locally by individuals designated as wardens, usually within your own local fire department. Many of these individuals, outside of our cities, are unpaid volunteers. The Fremont fire department is very accomodating to it's citizens and a simple phone call ahead of time will secure you a conveniently issued permit.

Or would you rather indeed have the job taken on by the State, with State paid (and benefits & retirement plan) workers available across the State on a 24/7 basis so you don't have to do any pre-planning before you light a fire?

Not me, I prefer this mostly volunteer effort that has served the State extremely well, and very cheaply for a matter of decades.

But that's just my opinion....

Sorry...just being a little ass bite...never seen anything like what is going on in this state over the last 10 years...I feel sorry for our kids and grand kids...but hey..they wont know the diffrence...Will be normal for them.....guess thats ok?....One thing that I cant stand is goverment in my back yard...sorry...just pisses me off...no self responsability needed any more..we have baby sitters to over see a freagin camp fire?...****....Do we really have to do things the easy way?...what ever happen to the right way......Stand up for freedom and a way of life in N.H...If your from here...if not...suck it up..After all its just a weekend...shouldnt rub on to you to much...When you get home you can take a shower and scub all that freedom crap off..Your neighbors will never know the difference....

Sunrise Point · 03-15-2009, 06:34 PM

I agree with Skip, it is very easy to obtain a yearly permit. I get mine at the Meredith Country Store. I can also get a 3 day brush permit if I have a lot of brush to burn. The brush permit, in addition to starting to burn after 5PM and keep a hose handy, requires me to pay very close attention to the posted "Fire Danger" signs at the nearby fire station and notify them when I am going to burn. If there is ever a question about wind or other conditions, a quick call to the local fire dept. will settle the matter. They are the experts and their word is good enough for me.

I am not sure what the local compliance rate is with fire permits, but I live in a densely wooded area and would hate to see it destroyed by a camp/brush fire that got out of control.

Pineedles · 03-15-2009, 07:52 PM

It is very convenient for property owners in NH that residents can still burn brush, with or without a permit. But the day will come where you won't be able to burn brush, I am very sure this day will come. It's not allowed in CT; and if NH wants to be a good New England State partner, it will disallow this freedom soon. I don't want a brush fire to burn any acreage in NH or CT for that matter, but I don't see how a permit will prevent that. It will however assign responsibility to the permit holder's fire if it does get out of control.

Its funny, conservatives like me talk about taking responsibility for your own actions, and yet liberals want to assign responsibility by monitoring the permit holders with aerial surveillance. The liberals say that conservatives want to take away your constitutional rights to privacy, and yet the liberal bureaucrats want to regulate you into submission by having you pay for permits to build a bloody camp fire, and want to pay for a plane, with your money, to watch you while you toast marshmallows.

They are watching you! Don't burn those marshmallows, it creates carbon offsets that you can't afford to pay for!

M/V_Bear_II · 03-15-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pineedles

It is very convenient for property owners in NH that residents can still burn brush, with or without a permit. But the day will come where you won't be able to burn brush, I am very sure this day will come. It's not allowed in CT; and if NH wants to be a good New England State partner, it will disallow this freedom soon. I don't want a brush fire to burn any acreage in NH or CT for that matter, but I don't see how a permit will prevent that. It will however assign responsibility to the permit holder's fire if it does get out of control.

Its funny, conservatives like me talk about taking responsibility for your own actions, and yet liberals want to assign responsibility by monitoring the permit holders with aerial surveillance. The liberals say that conservatives want to take away your constitutional rights to privacy, and yet the liberal bureaucrats want to regulate you into submission by having you pay for permits to build a bloody camp fire, and want to pay for a plane, with your money, to watch you while you toast marshmallows.

They are watching you! Don't burn those marshmallows, it creates carbon offsets that you can't afford to pay for!

Dude, the planes aren't to spy on you. Would you rather not notice a fire until it was within sight of your back porch? In some of the remote areas of the state, that would be a possibility. I'm not even positive that every town requires that you pay for a permit; it's more to allow town fire departments to be on alert.

And permitting is about taking responsibility - it ensures that a burner is aware of current fire dangers.

BAK, I respect your right to air your opinion. But I do not feel you have a right to do so in a derogatory manner. I would also point out that your discomfort with the choices of others - those who are exercising their freedom - is not in any way relevant to this discussion.

KonaChick · 03-15-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BAK04GT

Sorry...just being a little ass bite...never seen anything like what is going on in this state over the last 10 years...I feel sorry for our kids and grand kids...but hey..they wont know the diffrence...Will be normal for them.....guess thats ok?....One thing that I cant stand is goverment in my back yard...sorry...just pisses me off...no self responsability needed any more..we have baby sitters to over see a freagin camp fire?...****....Do we really have to do things the easy way?...what ever happen to the right way......Stand up for freedom and a way of life in N.H...If your from here...if not...suck it up..After all its just a weekend...shouldnt rub on to you to much...When you get home you can take a shower and scub all that freedom crap off..Your neighbors will never know the difference....

How did we go from fire permits to same-sex marriage? Your post is offensive

Blue Thunder · 03-16-2009, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BAK04GT

Sorry...just being a little ass bite...never seen anything like what is going on in this state over the last 10 years...I feel sorry for our kids and grand kids...but hey..they wont know the diffrence...Will be normal for them.....guess thats ok?....One thing that I cant stand is goverment in my back yard...sorry...just pisses me off...no self responsability needed any more..we have baby sitters to over see a freagin camp fire?...****....Do we really have to do things the easy way?...what ever happen to the right way......Stand up for freedom and a way of life in N.H...If your from here...if not...suck it up..After all its just a weekend...shouldnt rub on to you to much...When you get home you can take a shower and scub all that freedom crap off..Your neighbors will never know the difference....

BAK04GT...First of all, welcome to the Forum. Second of all, downshift a couple of gears and put your foot on the brake. A post like that, which is only your 5th post since joining will get you NOWHERE on this Forum. There are a tremendous number of good folks on this site offering a wealth of knowledge, opinions, and info. IMO, you're off to a bad start.

Blue Thunder

tis · 03-16-2009, 08:13 AM

I personally don't have a problem with the permits since they are very easy to get and are for the whole summer. I am one who hates all the rules and regulations the government puts on us too, but I really don't mind this one.

BAK04GT · 03-16-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

BAK04GT...First of all, welcome to the Forum. Second of all, downshift a couple of gears and put your foot on the brake. A post like that, which is only your 5th post since joining will get you NOWHERE on this Forum. There are a tremendous number of good folks on this site offering a wealth of knowledge, opinions, and info. IMO, you're off to a bad start.

Blue Thunder

Thank you for the welcome...First of all I posted an answer to the question to the original post...second...there was no need to go any further on the subject of the first post ..the answer was given in other posts as well....This is a General discussion forum ....And where is it that I am suppose to go (no where?).....Are you saying that my opinion and info will not fly in here?....Just because I voiced my opinion you feel threatend?....and therefore I shouldnt?..This is a forum is it not?.....so whats really bothering you?...my speaking out ?....Im sure there are many people in here that really want discussions and not just talk.....but thanks for the welcome....

Resident 2B · 03-17-2009, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BAK04GT

Thank you for the welcome...First of all I posted an answer to the question to the original post...second...there was no need to go any further on the subject of the first post ..the answer was given in other posts as well....This is a General discussion forum ....And where is it that I am suppose to go (no where?).....Are you saying that my opinion and info will not fly in here?....Just because I voiced my opinion you feel threatend?....and therefore I shouldnt?..This is a forum is it not?.....so whats really bothering you?...my speaking out ?....Im sure there are many people in here that really want discussions and not just talk.....but thanks for the welcome....

Welcome to the forum!

I believe your style contrasts significantly with the style used by most/all frequent posters on this forum.

I happen to appreciate discussions where there are different opinions expressed and defended and I believe this forum has been outstanding in providing the arena for these civil discussions. I also believe that this is the opinion of most posters here.

If what we do is just "talk", I guess you are entitled to your opinion. Every one has their own opinion.

Again, welcome!

R2B

BAK04GT · 03-17-2009, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Resident 2B

Welcome to the forum!

I believe your style contrasts significantly with the style used by most/all frequent posters on this forum.

I happen to appreciate discussions where there are different opinions expressed and defended and I believe this forum has been outstanding in providing the arena for these civil discussions. I also believe that this is the opinion of most posters here.

If what we do is just "talk", I guess you are entitled to your opinion. Every one has their own opinion.

Again, welcome!

R2B

...Thanks for your reply....contrast is a good thing and makes for good discussions....and yes I did jump out a bit...but I think its healthy to bring topics of contrast....otherwise your just drinking the Kool-Aid.....When it comes to self responsibilty vs. over protectionisum...Thats one that just burns my butt...

Blue Thunder · 03-17-2009, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BAK04GT

Thank you for the welcome...First of all I posted an answer to the question to the original post...second...there was no need to go any further on the subject of the first post ..the answer was given in other posts as well....This is a General discussion forum ....And where is it that I am suppose to go (no where?).....Are you saying that my opinion and info will not fly in here?....Just because I voiced my opinion you feel threatend?....and therefore I shouldnt?..This is a forum is it not?.....so whats really bothering you?...my speaking out ?....Im sure there are many people in here that really want discussions and not just talk.....but thanks for the welcome....

You are correct. This is a forum. This forum has rules that you agreed to when you signed up, and in my opinion, you are violating them. Here is one:

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

I don't feel threatened at all. As R2B put it, your style will conflict with most, if not all, of the regular contributors here. If you want to come in here like a freight train and make the kind of comments you made above, you go right ahead. We're certainly not Elitists here. I was trying to offer some friendly advice to a newcomer. If you choose not to take it, not a problem. I'll still be here making positive contributions to this wonderful forum.

BT

scubajay1153 · 03-17-2009, 12:40 PM

Call your local fire department and find out the requirements for YOUR community. Don't do yourselves the disservice of getting in a pinch following someone elses misinformation, opinions, guess or philosophies when having any fire out of doors. There is a lot of ideas and information on this and a lot of it is wrong or only accurate in certain locales and not in yours.

This is the State RSA which governs us as Deputy Wardens and Brush Burning, etc.:
http://gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html...L/227-L-17.htm

ANd from the brochure defining types of permits available:

Category I Fire" means a small controlled fire such as a camp or cooking fire no grater than 2 feet in diameter contained within a ring of fire resistive material or in a portable fireplace. A category I fire, conditions permitting, may be kindled with a permit at any time of day whether raining or not.

"Category II Fire" means a controlled fire such as a camp or cooking fire no grater than 4 feet in diameter contained within a ring of fire resistive material or in a portable fireplace. A category II fire, conditions permitting, may only be kindled with a permit between the hours of 5:00 pm and 9:00 am unless it is actually raining.

"Category III Fire" means any other fire, not a category I or category II fire or a fire greater than 4 feet in diameter or a fire not contained with in a ring of fire resistive material. A category III fire, conditions permitting, may only be kindled with a permit between the hours of 5:00 pm and 9:00 am unless it is actually raining.

"Category IV Commercial Fire" means a fire, other than a category I fire, conditions permitting, that can be kindled with a permit between the hours of 9:00am and 5:00pm weather raining or not. A permit for this fire would be issued jointly between the Forest Ranger and the Forest Fire Warden

Seasonal Permits are issued on an annual basis for Category I, II and IV Fires.

Gas grills or charcoal fires in a container up and off the ground kindled by the landowner or with the landowner's permission does not require a written fire permit.

03-15-2009, 07:52 PM	#6
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,549 Thanks: 1,074 Thanked 671 Times in 369 Posts	Fire It is very convenient for property owners in NH that residents can still burn brush, with or without a permit. But the day will come where you won't be able to burn brush, I am very sure this day will come. It's not allowed in CT; and if NH wants to be a good New England State partner, it will disallow this freedom soon. I don't want a brush fire to burn any acreage in NH or CT for that matter, but I don't see how a permit will prevent that. It will however assign responsibility to the permit holder's fire if it does get out of control. Its funny, conservatives like me talk about taking responsibility for your own actions, and yet liberals want to assign responsibility by monitoring the permit holders with aerial surveillance. The liberals say that conservatives want to take away your constitutional rights to privacy, and yet the liberal bureaucrats want to regulate you into submission by having you pay for permits to build a bloody camp fire, and want to pay for a plane, with your money, to watch you while you toast marshmallows. They are watching you! Don't burn those marshmallows, it creates carbon offsets that you can't afford to pay for!

03-17-2009, 12:40 PM	#15
scubajay1153 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Gilford Posts: 93 Thanks: 2 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Make it easy on yourselves.... Call your local fire department and find out the requirements for YOUR community. Don't do yourselves the disservice of getting in a pinch following someone elses misinformation, opinions, guess or philosophies when having any fire out of doors. There is a lot of ideas and information on this and a lot of it is wrong or only accurate in certain locales and not in yours. This is the State RSA which governs us as Deputy Wardens and Brush Burning, etc.: http://gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html...L/227-L-17.htm ANd from the brochure defining types of permits available: Category I Fire" means a small controlled fire such as a camp or cooking fire no grater than 2 feet in diameter contained within a ring of fire resistive material or in a portable fireplace. A category I fire, conditions permitting, may be kindled with a permit at any time of day whether raining or not. "Category II Fire" means a controlled fire such as a camp or cooking fire no grater than 4 feet in diameter contained within a ring of fire resistive material or in a portable fireplace. A category II fire, conditions permitting, may only be kindled with a permit between the hours of 5:00 pm and 9:00 am unless it is actually raining. "Category III Fire" means any other fire, not a category I or category II fire or a fire greater than 4 feet in diameter or a fire not contained with in a ring of fire resistive material. A category III fire, conditions permitting, may only be kindled with a permit between the hours of 5:00 pm and 9:00 am unless it is actually raining. "Category IV Commercial Fire" means a fire, other than a category I fire, conditions permitting, that can be kindled with a permit between the hours of 9:00am and 5:00pm weather raining or not. A permit for this fire would be issued jointly between the Forest Ranger and the Forest Fire Warden Seasonal Permits are issued on an annual basis for Category I, II and IV Fires. Gas grills or charcoal fires in a container up and off the ground kindled by the landowner or with the landowner's permission does not require a written fire permit.

03-15-2009, 12:32 PM	#2
BAK04GT Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here you go..plan your little camp fire in advance...dont think your going to get one on Fri. or the weekend..you know state workers http://www.fremont.nh.gov/documents/...itBrochure.pdf

03-15-2009, 06:34 PM	#5
Sunrise Point Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Meredith Center / Winnisquam Posts: 250 Thanks: 87 Thanked 34 Times in 21 Posts	I agree with Skip, it is very easy to obtain a yearly permit. I get mine at the Meredith Country Store. I can also get a 3 day brush permit if I have a lot of brush to burn. The brush permit, in addition to starting to burn after 5PM and keep a hose handy, requires me to pay very close attention to the posted "Fire Danger" signs at the nearby fire station and notify them when I am going to burn. If there is ever a question about wind or other conditions, a quick call to the local fire dept. will settle the matter. They are the experts and their word is good enough for me. I am not sure what the local compliance rate is with fire permits, but I live in a densely wooded area and would hate to see it destroyed by a camp/brush fire that got out of control.

03-16-2009, 08:13 AM	#10
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,815 Thanks: 759 Thanked 1,469 Times in 1,025 Posts	I personally don't have a problem with the permits since they are very easy to get and are for the whole summer. I am one who hates all the rules and regulations the government puts on us too, but I really don't mind this one.