New Bizer Chart

Mat · 04-08-2009, 04:15 PM

Nauset,

That little chart is a cool way to think about it. Like some others have mentioned I had some confusion. I was checking out near the east side of Barndoor island. I was seeing the line split two black and white buoys there. I thought it might be an error but after learning about others I guess its not. So just follow the lines.

Sunset Bob · 04-08-2009, 05:30 PM

Matt you have got a lot of good info here.The way I always remember which way to go is remember BEN (black east north)then red has to be south and west.
Just be careful and use the chart and you won't have any problems
PS it wasn't till I thought I knew the lake before I dinged a prop. It will happen

Oletimer · 04-08-2009, 05:33 PM

Here's another way(Coast Guard) of remembering about which side of red or black markers to use-at least it worked for me several years' ago and on the ocean port areas. I assume it would work the same on the lake. If anyone knows differently please reply about it. Thanks.
I did use it on Winnipes.several years ago also.

BPOE-RRR -stands for Black on Port(Left) on Entry-Red Right Returning. Of course it's the reverse when going out from Port. After a very short time you will remember the ditty.

Hope this helps.

Sunset Bob · 04-08-2009, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oletimer

Here's another way(Coast Guard) of remembering about which side of red or black markers to use-at least it worked for me several years' ago and on the ocean port areas. I assume it would work the same on the lake. If anyone knows differently please reply about it. Thanks.
I did use it on Winnipes.several years ago also.

BPOE-RRR -stands for Black on Port(Left) on Entry-Red Right Returning. Of course it's the reverse when going out from Port. After a very short time you will remember the ditty.

Hope this helps.

Coast Guard ocean markers are differant than Lake Winnpesaukee markers.
Red Right Return will not work.

Jonas Pilot · 04-08-2009, 07:11 PM

I'm surprised your an "oletimer".
I'm only kidding!

hazelnut · 04-08-2009, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oletimer

Here's another way(Coast Guard) of remembering about which side of red or black markers to use-at least it worked for me several years' ago and on the ocean port areas. I assume it would work the same on the lake. If anyone knows differently please reply about it. Thanks.
I did use it on Winnipes.several years ago also.

BPOE-RRR -stands for Black on Port(Left) on Entry-Red Right Returning. Of course it's the reverse when going out from Port. After a very short time you will remember the ditty.

Hope this helps.

That's a good way to end up in the rocks on Lake Winnipesaukee

As said Red Right Return does not apply to the lake.

Another tip: Never ever ever use Left or Right as terminology when navigating the lake. When I teach people to navigate I am always careful to say "Pass to the west of that buoy or pass to the south etc." Your right and left changes depending on direction.

kchace · 04-09-2009, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oletimer

Here's another way(Coast Guard) of remembering about which side of red or black markers to use-at least it worked for me several years' ago and on the ocean port areas. I assume it would work the same on the lake. If anyone knows differently please reply about it. Thanks.
I did use it on Winnipes.several years ago also.

BPOE-RRR -stands for Black on Port(Left) on Entry-Red Right Returning. Of course it's the reverse when going out from Port. After a very short time you will remember the ditty.

Hope this helps.

The system you refer to is not the "Coast Guard" way, it is called the Lateral System and is used primarily in the ocean and waterways accessed directly from the ocean. The system used in Lake Winnepesaukee is called the Cardinal System - (referring to the points of the compass) and its completely different from the Lateral System. One CANNOT apply the Lateral System used in the ocean to the Cardinal System used on Lake Winni. Use the Cardinal System as described by others here.

Ken

Mee-n-Mac · 04-08-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mat

Nauset,

That little chart is a cool way to think about it. Like some others have mentioned I had some confusion. I was checking out near the east side of Barndoor island. I was seeing the line split two black and white buoys there. I thought it might be an error but after learning about others I guess its not. So just follow the lines.

That spot can be confusing. It's just like the spot btw Bear and Mink mentioned earlier. You're splitting the 2 black tipped markers and it just doesn't seem correct. There are a few places like this on the lake where it can be pretty unclear as to what to do if you only had a compass and your friend BEN. Another, that UTS has mentioned, is the black tip off the southern end of Treasure I. It's waaaay off the island and if you were headed out of Alton Bay and decided to split Treasure and Cub, following the BEN rule could put you on the wrong side of the marker. There are some places you've just got to memorize or better yet, keep a chart handy and follow the safe navigation route (lines).

Phantom · 04-09-2009, 08:31 AM

Dave R --- your right, I meant Bear Island

Oletimer -- Sorry.....RRR (Red Right Return) has ABSOLUTELY no bearing in the Cardinal system of navigation and will certainly get you a lower unit repair bill sooner or later if followed.....

Nauset -- neat little Pie Chart!! Just when ya think you've seen and heard all the little tricks over time ...... a new one pops up ..... kudo's.

04-08-2009, 05:30 PM	#2
Sunset Bob Deceased Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,701 Thanks: 115 Thanked 25 Times in 13 Posts	Ben Matt you have got a lot of good info here.The way I always remember which way to go is remember BEN (black east north)then red has to be south and west. Just be careful and use the chart and you won't have any problems PS it wasn't till I thought I knew the lake before I dinged a prop. It will happen

04-08-2009, 07:11 PM	#5
Jonas Pilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wolfeboro, New Hampshire is my home, 24-7-365 Posts: 1,686 Thanks: 1,047 Thanked 336 Times in 189 Posts	Red right return. I'm surprised your an "oletimer". I'm only kidding!

04-09-2009, 08:31 AM	#9
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	Dave R --- your right, I meant Bear Island Oletimer -- Sorry.....RRR (Red Right Return) has ABSOLUTELY no bearing in the Cardinal system of navigation and will certainly get you a lower unit repair bill sooner or later if followed..... Nauset -- neat little Pie Chart!! Just when ya think you've seen and heard all the little tricks over time ...... a new one pops up ..... kudo's. __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*

04-08-2009, 04:15 PM	#1
Mat Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ma and Alton Bay Posts: 42 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Nauset, That little chart is a cool way to think about it. Like some others have mentioned I had some confusion. I was checking out near the east side of Barndoor island. I was seeing the line split two black and white buoys there. I thought it might be an error but after learning about others I guess its not. So just follow the lines.

04-08-2009, 05:33 PM	#3
Oletimer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 89 Thanks: 15 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Here's another way(Coast Guard) of remembering about which side of red or black markers to use-at least it worked for me several years' ago and on the ocean port areas. I assume it would work the same on the lake. If anyone knows differently please reply about it. Thanks. I did use it on Winnipes.several years ago also. BPOE-RRR -stands for Black on Port(Left) on Entry-Red Right Returning. Of course it's the reverse when going out from Port. After a very short time you will remember the ditty. Hope this helps.