Black Cove

Sschaar · 10-10-2004, 08:27 PM

Just for the record, I have a 22 foot pontoon with a Porta potti that gets used, alot. Anybody who has a wife and three young children can atest to it's usage.
As far as rafting is concerned I think once we had had three boats tied together. A bunch of times two toons tied up. My friend also has three young children, a wife, and porta potti. But most of the time we are a rafting party of one.
The issue here is privatization of a public lake. Goverment, in their constant thirst for more money keeps on selling off, rezoning, or restricting land use to settle it's cravings for more money. Once it falls into private hands, the goverment taxes the you know what out of them. In return the land owner feels they are entitled to more.
When they realize they can't get what they want, they try to "back door it" by using Loons, Noise, Water rights, Excessive parking lot lights, and rafting. If I missed something I apologize. The list is endless.
I'll say it again, Frank M, if your so concerned about the loons maybe you should move out also. Make the Island "off limits" for all.
No you won't do that. Your the self anointed protecter of the Loons.
The Lake is as it should be. Public. Neither you or any other of your shorefront landbarons can change that. You can try to restrict boaters, but their shear numbers are overwelming. Pretty much hopeless they way I see it.
One other thing I want to address.
I get the impression here that if more then two boats are tied up it must be one wild and crazy party. Being a toon owner, I live to throw the anchor and sit back and enjoy the sun. I don't see all these wild and crazy parties you all are talking about. I'm sure it happens, but I find it hard to believe it happens as much as you seem to think it does.
But I guess I should just chalk it up as another feeble attempt to make it look worse then it is.
With that in mind, I'm done.
Hey next time you look out your kitchen window and there's a pontoon anchored right outside with three screaming kids and a wife yelling at some poor guy, wave to me.

Tyler · 10-11-2004, 06:00 AM

I understand the frustration of property owners having rafters in front of their places, perhaps before they purchase property they should be given a fact sheet of what to expect when purchasing property on the lake.

Also I thought the lead issue was to blame for the decrease in loon production? That has been resolved with the removal of the lead, now rafting is to blame... hmmmmmmm, makes you wonder what the next back door effort is?

PROPELLER · 10-13-2004, 07:27 AM

Frank, My first post asked why rafters would impair the loons ability to nest & flourish as opposed to individual or 2 boats together at anchor. Instead of simply providing the answer you decided to accuse me of not knowing the situation. Thats why my 1st post asked that question, to help us on the Forum understand. In a second post I asked the question again, still no answer. So what is the answer? This is the 3rd time I have asked the question. I suspect there is no formal documented evidence.

I also find it interesting that a cove resident spearheaded this petition to protect one of the most important & successful areas on the lake for Loon nesting. Why not Fish & Game or any of the Loon or wildlife organizations. I am not throwing barbs, just making an observation.

For you to generalize all rafters as noisy, drinking slobs who pee in the lake & not show concern for the lake & its wildlife is so far from the truth. You yourself said you were a rafter so where did you pee? I know where myself & all my rafting friends do as I am sure many others do, in the self contained head with the waste tank on the boat that gets pumped out.

My 1st post made some observations & asked a simple question directly related to the Loon issue in Black Cove. It did not throw barbs at any poster or anyone residing in Black Cove. It was you who took it personal & to the next level.

And no, I will not give out my e-mail or phone # to strangers for obvious reasons. You can answer on the Forum for all to read & understand if you wish.

frank m. · 10-13-2004, 12:34 PM

Propeller,
My original posts, and follow-ups, were very informative. I think most on the Forum, whom you pretend to represent, would agree. There are also laws and legal procedures that you can investigate yourself on the Internet to learn that the suggestions you make are not possible and the statements you make are not sensible.
I think there are very few on this forum like you, who, although they have never even heard of Black Cove before this, just have nothing else to do with their time but to make arguments for the sake of making arguments and to speculate about the intent of persons they do not know.
My offer stands to anyone who wants to discuss this matter in person...my phone number is 279-0159. But I am no longer going to play keyboard tennis with those like you who just want to make baseless and defamatory accusations under the anonymity of the forum, and to pretend they are proceeding this way to benefit the silent majority. If your intensity over this issue is sincere, you should want to give me a call. Don't be afraid, I am not going to hurt you. I am not the nameless faceless sniper here. But if you are unwilling or afraid to do that, then please stop playing this sophomoric forum game and move on to something else. Have you read the string about the bears?
Frank Marino

Sschaar · 10-13-2004, 01:22 PM

Propeller
It obivious that Frank feels his position is is so righteous that it's undebatable.
That he knows what's best. And what's best is to restrict usage of the lake from it's owners, the public. How dare anybody question me or my motives.
That's what Frank thinks.
He's right about one thing, we should move on to another topic, Frank's just a waste of time.

10-11-2004, 06:00 AM	#2
Tyler Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 123 Thanks: 19 Thanked 9 Times in 4 Posts	Good post Sschaar I understand the frustration of property owners having rafters in front of their places, perhaps before they purchase property they should be given a fact sheet of what to expect when purchasing property on the lake. Also I thought the lead issue was to blame for the decrease in loon production? That has been resolved with the removal of the lead, now rafting is to blame... hmmmmmmm, makes you wonder what the next back door effort is?

10-13-2004, 12:34 PM	#4
frank m. Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 81 Thanks: 4 Thanked 27 Times in 7 Posts	Please Stop Propeller, My original posts, and follow-ups, were very informative. I think most on the Forum, whom you pretend to represent, would agree. There are also laws and legal procedures that you can investigate yourself on the Internet to learn that the suggestions you make are not possible and the statements you make are not sensible. I think there are very few on this forum like you, who, although they have never even heard of Black Cove before this, just have nothing else to do with their time but to make arguments for the sake of making arguments and to speculate about the intent of persons they do not know. My offer stands to anyone who wants to discuss this matter in person...my phone number is 279-0159. But I am no longer going to play keyboard tennis with those like you who just want to make baseless and defamatory accusations under the anonymity of the forum, and to pretend they are proceeding this way to benefit the silent majority. If your intensity over this issue is sincere, you should want to give me a call. Don't be afraid, I am not going to hurt you. I am not the nameless faceless sniper here. But if you are unwilling or afraid to do that, then please stop playing this sophomoric forum game and move on to something else. Have you read the string about the bears? Frank Marino

10-10-2004, 08:27 PM	#1
Sschaar Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just for the record, I have a 22 foot pontoon with a Porta potti that gets used, alot. Anybody who has a wife and three young children can atest to it's usage. As far as rafting is concerned I think once we had had three boats tied together. A bunch of times two toons tied up. My friend also has three young children, a wife, and porta potti. But most of the time we are a rafting party of one. The issue here is privatization of a public lake. Goverment, in their constant thirst for more money keeps on selling off, rezoning, or restricting land use to settle it's cravings for more money. Once it falls into private hands, the goverment taxes the you know what out of them. In return the land owner feels they are entitled to more. When they realize they can't get what they want, they try to "back door it" by using Loons, Noise, Water rights, Excessive parking lot lights, and rafting. If I missed something I apologize. The list is endless. I'll say it again, Frank M, if your so concerned about the loons maybe you should move out also. Make the Island "off limits" for all. No you won't do that. Your the self anointed protecter of the Loons. The Lake is as it should be. Public. Neither you or any other of your shorefront landbarons can change that. You can try to restrict boaters, but their shear numbers are overwelming. Pretty much hopeless they way I see it. One other thing I want to address. I get the impression here that if more then two boats are tied up it must be one wild and crazy party. Being a toon owner, I live to throw the anchor and sit back and enjoy the sun. I don't see all these wild and crazy parties you all are talking about. I'm sure it happens, but I find it hard to believe it happens as much as you seem to think it does. But I guess I should just chalk it up as another feeble attempt to make it look worse then it is. With that in mind, I'm done. Hey next time you look out your kitchen window and there's a pontoon anchored right outside with three screaming kids and a wife yelling at some poor guy, wave to me.

10-13-2004, 07:27 AM	#3
PROPELLER Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 340 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Frank, My first post asked why rafters would impair the loons ability to nest & flourish as opposed to individual or 2 boats together at anchor. Instead of simply providing the answer you decided to accuse me of not knowing the situation. Thats why my 1st post asked that question, to help us on the Forum understand. In a second post I asked the question again, still no answer. So what is the answer? This is the 3rd time I have asked the question. I suspect there is no formal documented evidence. I also find it interesting that a cove resident spearheaded this petition to protect one of the most important & successful areas on the lake for Loon nesting. Why not Fish & Game or any of the Loon or wildlife organizations. I am not throwing barbs, just making an observation. For you to generalize all rafters as noisy, drinking slobs who pee in the lake & not show concern for the lake & its wildlife is so far from the truth. You yourself said you were a rafter so where did you pee? I know where myself & all my rafting friends do as I am sure many others do, in the self contained head with the waste tank on the boat that gets pumped out. My 1st post made some observations & asked a simple question directly related to the Loon issue in Black Cove. It did not throw barbs at any poster or anyone residing in Black Cove. It was you who took it personal & to the next level. And no, I will not give out my e-mail or phone # to strangers for obvious reasons. You can answer on the Forum for all to read & understand if you wish.

10-13-2004, 01:22 PM	#5
Sschaar Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Propeller It obivious that Frank feels his position is is so righteous that it's undebatable. That he knows what's best. And what's best is to restrict usage of the lake from it's owners, the public. How dare anybody question me or my motives. That's what Frank thinks. He's right about one thing, we should move on to another topic, Frank's just a waste of time.