Performance Boats- Alive and Well!!!

[partsman]

I can tell by the wake that you are doing 44.2 mph in this picture

[ApS]

And not facing forward...

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

And not facing forward...

Look closely at the picture.. It wasn't taken from the captains chair.

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Look closely at the picture.. It wasn't taken from the captains chair.

Hey, even though his quick knock was inaccurate, as usual, at least he didn't add another barb towards GPS

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by VtSteve

Hey, even though his quick knock was inaccurate, as usual, at least he didn't add another barb towards GPS

Haven't installed or purchased a GPS yet.... Due to those postings I am afraid of heading to Alton and end up on Point Sabago and get ridiculed.

[colt17]

is there a place to find out how many speeding tickets have been given todate?

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by colt17

is there a place to find out how many speeding tickets have been given todate?

Sorry - couldn't resist

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by colt17

is there a place to find out how many speeding tickets have been given todate?

Not that I know of... That would mean that actual data is available. Something that proponents have tried to keep out of public knowledge.

By the way the toilet picture made me LMAO!!!!!!!

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by colt17

is there a place to find out how many speeding tickets have been given todate?

Given the issue, I would think that every local and state news organization would be keeping their ears and eyes peeled for just such an instance. The Marine Patrol isn't expecting to issue many tickets, and I think they'll be issued as needed when other actions come into play. ie: perhaps reckless, too close, whatever. They don't seem particularly concerned or bothered by boats that may be doing 60 or so. Most don't do it for long.

Merrill Fay stated last year that people had already slowed down, and he noted an increase in activity with more people on the lake. He also said it quieted the lake down, and apparently the law was working and all was well. BTW, the law went into effect January 1st this year, after everything was ok.

My guess is the MP would want the first few tickets issued to Gross offenders that were also doing something else wrong that everybody disagreed with. I'm quite positive they'll have a couple of those to issue if history is any guide.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Look closely at the picture.. It wasn't taken from the captains chair.

But OCD those are facts Don't clog it up with facts.... It plays much better if APS can say you were driving and taking the picture at the same time. Oh wait I just smelled the picture.... yup... I smell beer. You reckless crazy man! And I can tell from the picture that you have a toddler on the bow of the boat.... Not that I can see it I just..."sense" it.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

But OCD those are facts Don't clog it up with facts.... It plays much better if APS can say you were driving and taking the picture at the same time. Oh wait I just smelled the picture.... yup... I smell beer. You reckless crazy man! And I can tell from the picture that you have a toddler on the bow of the boat.... Not that I can see it I just..."sense" it.

Damn.. You must have been the kayaker who saw me and tried to make a citizens arrest

I was trying to take apart multiple posts you have made in the past years to prove a point but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

Anyway, leaving shortly for the lake. I was going to put the boat in today but may wait until tomorrow or maybe not at all... Weather is not looking good.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by pmc

"...As far as Fay saying the lake is quieter? Its the weather..."

At noon yesterday, I counted 28 sailboats between Welch Island and Alton on The Broads. At that same moment, there were fewer powerboats!

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Look closely at the picture.. It wasn't taken from the captains chair.

Here?

Unless present, how can one make that assertion?

The "driver" could have temporarily left his navigational duties and taken the picture at arm's length: That would account for the extreme tilt to the horizon. (Or a terrified passenger—maybe).

[onlywinni]

1. Hello everyone..just found this forum..

Re. The 150 Rule...I have been boating on the lake for about 10 years and it amazes me everyday how many people dont know or refuse to obey the 150 rule. Of course I have to admit judging 150 is not that easy..it is much farther than most people think. Also on the weekends it can be tough to cruise and be that far away all the time. However passing me within 50 feet because I am obeying the rule annoys the hell out of me. The MPs were out enforcing this rule hardcore this weekend I can say. Some guy in a 18 foot bayliner or something blows by us and 3 other boats in Alton Bay Sunday and the MP is sitting right in the channel-where you have to obey the rule or he has you. This guy broke the 150 on 4 boats and also the MP


Re. Speeding. Has anyone been given a ticket? I was out all weekend and only exceeded the limit once and there was no one around and I was in the broads. I wonder if they will let that stuff go and only look for people doing something stupid like in a crowded bay or channel?

Lastly...my wife and I saw this Ridiculous Streamlined Boat in Alton Bay on Sunday...It must have been 42+ it was all white with a sloped/curved rear and looked SICK...anyone see that before?

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by onlywinni

Re. Speeding. Has anyone been given a ticket? I was out all weekend and only exceeded the limit once and there was no one around and I was in the broads. I wonder if they will let that stuff go and only look for people doing something stupid like in a crowded bay or channel?

The speed limit law is arbitrary. Not absolute. It also has a reasonable and prudent clause. The MP can stop you at any speed that is not reasonable and prudent. If you were in the Broads and no one is around. I don't think the MP will have probably cause to ticket you if you are over the speed limit.

[onlywinni]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

The speed limit law is arbitrary. Not absolute. It also has a reasonable and prudent clause. The MP can stop you at any speed that is not reasonable and prudent. If you were in the Broads and no one is around. I don't think the MP will have probably cause to ticket you if you are over the speed limit.

Thanks for the info....Do they even have radar guns?


ps...Love your Sig and could not agree more

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by onlywinni

Thanks for the info....Do they even have radar guns?

onlywinni -- it doesn't appear that anyone answered your question -

Yes, the MP most definately have radar guns. I was docked one afternoon in Center Harbor and "chatted it up" with a MP officer docked there early this season. He was very congenial and even showed me the radar unit he was issued. It is about the size of a mid sized pair of binoculars (6"w x 3"h x 8"d approx) it has a monocle sighting window and display's speed & range (distance) and is completely portable i.e no wires. The interesting aspect was range as he indicated to me that he uses it to tell if two boats are 150' apart by simply "targeting" each and taking the difference in range.

Therefore, if you see a MP boat just floating/ idling (as I have seen numerous times since) and the officer has what you think are Binoculars up to his face --- SMILE, your on radar!!

[onlywinni]

Originally Posted by Phantom

onlywinni -- it doesn't appear that anyone answered your question -

Yes, the MP most definately have radar guns. I was docked one afternoon in Center Harbor and "chatted it up" with a MP officer docked there early this season. He was very congenial and even showed me the radar unit he was issued. It is about the size of a mid sized pair of binoculars (6"w x 3"h x 8"d approx) it has a monocle sighting window and display's speed & range (distance) and is completely portable i.e no wires. The interesting aspect was range as he indicated to me that he uses it to tell if two boats are 150' apart by simply "targeting" each and taking the difference in range.

Therefore, if you see a MP boat just floating/ idling (as I have seen numerous times since) and the officer has what you think are Binoculars up to his face --- SMILE, your on radar!!

Thanks for the info.

Looks like I will have to mind my speed or at least get a radar detector for the boat

[jrc]

Originally Posted by Phantom

... The interesting aspect was range as he indicated to me that he uses it to tell if two boats are 150' apart by simply "targeting" each and taking the difference in range...

I hope he tries that one in court someday, two boats could a mile apart and still only be a few feet different in range.

[Skip]

Hi jrc,

You are correct, the LIDAR handheld unit being discussed here gives the operator relative opening or closing speed between the gun and the target be measured, and actual distance between the gun and the target at time of measurement. While you could theoretically point the gun at two separate targets on the water the gun will only give you the distance between itself and each target, it does not and cannot measure the distance apart of two separate targets.

The NHMP officer can indeed use the gun to cite you for a 150 foot offense, only if that offense occured between the the gun (NHMP unit) and you. It is not capable of doing the same for two opposing targets in the field.

Skip

[Pineedles]

Originally Posted by Skip

Hi jrc,

You are correct, the LIDAR handheld unit being discussed here gives the operator relative opening or closing speed between the gun and the target be measured, and actual distance between the gun and the target at time of measurement. While you could theoretically point the gun at two separate targets on the water the gun will only give you the distance between itself and each target, it does not and cannot measure the distance apart of two separate targets.

The NHMP officer can indeed use the gun to cite you for a 150 foot offense, only if that offense occured between the the gun (NHMP unit) and you. It is not capable of doing the same for two opposing targets in the field.

Skip

I'm no math major but I seem to remember a formula to find the length of the last side of a triangle if you know the 2 lengths of the triangle and the angle of the 2 known sides. If I am right, then the LIDAR could conceptually figure out the distance between the 2 boats that are being shot by the gun. Anyone know?

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Pineedles

I'm no math major but I seem to remember a formula to find the length of the last side of a triangle if you know the 2 lengths of the triangle and the angle of the 2 known sides. If I am right, then the LIDAR could conceptually figure out the distance between the 2 boats that are being shot by the gun. Anyone know?

Theoretically? Yes

Realistically? No

The unit being used to measure relative speed/distance is a portable handheld device. The crucial element necessary in the formula you offered, to be admissable in evidence in court, would require an extremely accurate way to measure the precise angle between the two vesssels being read in order to interpret their correct separation. Since this particular LIDAR unit has no way of determinig that angle the formua would have to rely on the best guess of the officer, hardly admissable in court.

[jrc]

As Pineneedles and Skip said measuring distance between boats with radar or lidar is possible. But a MP can't just invent a technique and have it stand up in court. It has to accurate and repeatable.

Even a cheap marine radar unit will show distance between boats. So if the MP really wanted to, they could probably find a calbrated radar unit and use that. But of course just being less than a 150' away is not a violation. You also need to be going faster than headway speed.

Sounds like a good product to build, I wonder how many I could sell...

[VtSteve]

and I do apologize for the tone of the Kayak comment. (sure brought some people out of dark places) It was meant to be something that just didn't make it to fruition. but I should know better, and will choose my words more carefully in the future.

As for someone thinking this forum is inundated with Performance Boaters? I certainly don't own one, although I have kicked the tires (hulls) of some in the past. I don't think many do on this entire forum, perhaps a dozen or more? At any rate, most of them seem as nice as everyone else here.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Phantom

onlywinni -- it doesn't appear that anyone answered your question -

Yes, the MP most definately have radar guns. I was docked one afternoon in Center Harbor and "chatted it up" with a MP officer docked there early this season. He was very congenial and even showed me the radar unit he was issued. It is about the size of a mid sized pair of binoculars (6"w x 3"h x 8"d approx) it has a monocle sighting window and display's speed & range (distance) and is completely portable i.e no wires. The interesting aspect was range as he indicated to me that he uses it to tell if two boats are 150' apart by simply "targeting" each and taking the difference in range.

Therefore, if you see a MP boat just floating/ idling (as I have seen numerous times since) and the officer has what you think are Binoculars up to his face --- SMILE, your on radar!!

As others have said that was a Lidar gun not a radar gun. Radar units don't measure distance, only speed (along the line of sight). As for measuring distance for a 150' violation, all 3 boats, the NHMP boat and the suspected violators would have to be in a line (or very nearly so) for that to have any accuracy.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

As others have said that was a Lidar gun not a radar gun. Radar units don't measure distance, only speed (along the line of sight). As for measuring distance for a 150' violation, all 3 boats, the NHMP boat and the suspected violators would have to be in a line (or very nearly so) for that to have any accuracy.

Don't shoot the "messenger" ....... I was only informing inwinni that there is indeed radar (or as I have been corrected LIDAR- all the same to the common folk) being used and relaying my little chat with a hospitiple MP officer

[cowisl]

Originally Posted by onlywinni

1. Hello everyone..just found this forum..

Re. The 150 Rule...I have been boating on the lake for about 10 years and it amazes me everyday how many people dont know or refuse to obey the 150 rule. Of course I have to admit judging 150 is not that easy..it is much farther than most people think. Also on the weekends it can be tough to cruise and be that far away all the time. However passing me within 50 feet because I am obeying the rule annoys the hell out of me. The MPs were out enforcing this rule hardcore this weekend I can say. Some guy in a 18 foot bayliner or something blows by us and 3 other boats in Alton Bay Sunday and the MP is sitting right in the channel-where you have to obey the rule or he has you. This guy broke the 150 on 4 boats and also the MP


Re. Speeding. Has anyone been given a ticket? I was out all weekend and only exceeded the limit once and there was no one around and I was in the broads. I wonder if they will let that stuff go and only look for people doing something stupid like in a crowded bay or channel?

Lastly...my wife and I saw this Ridiculous Streamlined Boat in Alton Bay on Sunday...It must have been 42+ it was all white with a sloped/curved rear and looked SICK...anyone see that before?

New 52 Outerlimits SL

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by cowisl

New 52 Outerlimits SL

I got an admittedly bad picture of it heading up Alton Bay on Sunday. Alas it's in the camera which is in the camp.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

I got an admittedly bad picture of it heading up Alton Bay on Sunday. Alas it's in the camera which is in the camp.

FWIW ....

Just got on plane as it headed past Sandy Pt.

[overlook]

She will be back this weekend and the rest of the season, just needed some AC work and finishes.

[OCDACTIVE]

That is one gorgeous boat!!!!!! Would like to see her in person running the lake.... I have been sent dock side for the rest of the season .. engine problems....

Having a full rebuild and perhaps even a new paint job!!!!!

See you out there next year.

[VtSteve]

Oh No One of the many reasons I haven't been involved in that hobby, too rich for my cheapskate blood. One of the few boats I saw that would allow for a sane single-engine setup was the Baja 278 Performance. All I wanted was a decent sized cabin, and a dependable engine/drive combo. No blowers, no Mercury racing engines, no $20k refreshes About the only livable one I've seen was a Formula I couldn't afford, and a Chap 275 with a big block I didn't act fast enough on. If I can do 40 to 50mph in big waves and not break a rib, I'm pretty much entertained

One thing many newcomers might not realize. My history on Winni dates back to circa 1963 or 1964. There was a reason that many boaters started buying the bigger Cigs and Scarabs and Formulas. Cruiser wakes.

[OCDACTIVE]

Yup... took me totally off guard.. Blew most everything on the boat then ran into this.. Looks like a total rebuild and thank heavens I have awesome friends that can do it for a lot less then if I brought it to a shop and said "fix it"... Only downside is I have to bring her to Virginia to have it done...... However another nice side is it will get stored down there and their weather is much less harsh then ours. So the temp won't drop as low. If you winterize correctly it shouldn't be a problem but I still like the idea of a much less minimum temp over the winter.

You make a good point on the cruiser wakes.. Another item most people do not realize, just because they don't have the experience, is these performance boats handle waves, wakes, chop etc very differently then the normal runabouts you see on the lake. My boat (which is catagorized as a very small GFB) can cruise very comfortably at 50 - 55mph and it feels like you are going 30. Do to its very deep V it cuts wakes as if they werent there. Many other boats would be totally out of control where in my situation you can put a coke on the dash and it wouldn't even move...

[colt17]

I have seen that boat the last two weekends once at braun bay and last weekend pulling into the NASWA. What kind of boat is it? Looks like a Ferrari on water lol

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by colt17

I have seen that boat the last two weekends once at braun bay and last weekend pulling into the NASWA. What kind of boat is it? Looks like a Ferrari on water lol

Hard to guess by the photo.. My initial thought based on the cockpit lines is a Outerlimits. It doesn't have the rear side scoops that would lead me to believe it to be a Nortech. Again hard to determine. Two things for certain: Staggered Engines for one and two: that is one Bad A$$ boat!

[livefreeordie]

its a 51 outerlimits prob has twin 1075s.... only have bits and pieces about the boat.

[Kracken]

Its an Outerlimits GTX

[cowisl]

new 52 Sl outerlimits

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by livefreeordie

its a 51 outerlimits prob has twin 1075s.... only have bits and pieces about the boat.

52 Outer Limits GTX.... and its got a few more horses than that!

Woodsy

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by VtSteve

Oh No One of the many reasons I haven't been involved in that hobby, too rich for my cheapskate blood. One of the few boats I saw that would allow for a sane single-engine setup was the Baja 278 Performance. All I wanted was a decent sized cabin, and a dependable engine/drive combo. No blowers, no Mercury racing engines, no $20k refreshes About the only livable one I've seen was a Formula I couldn't afford, and a Chap 275 with a big block I didn't act fast enough on. If I can do 40 to 50mph in big waves and not break a rib, I'm pretty much entertained

One thing many newcomers might not realize. My history on Winni dates back to circa 1963 or 1964. There was a reason that many boaters started buying the bigger Cigs and Scarabs and Formulas. Cruiser wakes.

I picked up an '88 F-223 LS with 454 Magnum on EBay last year for $4000. Lately I have seen boats on Craigslist from marinas that are 'giving' away boats for the price of the storage fees owed. If you want your dream boat I would start looking at thes two sites.

Check out this site. It will make it a bit easier searching for your boat.

http://www.jaxed.com/

[VtSteve]

I've actually thought about some of the older boats as deals, but I lack any real mechanical knowledge to deal with broken

Plus, as anyone that currently owns a fairly new boat knows, it's almost impossible to get rid of what you have.

BTW, what the heck is that site you linked?

[overlook]

Actually it is an Outerlimits 52 SV MONO hull, with programable Chief 605 blocks and Merc. VI drives.

[robmac]

It looks to me as a GTX 51

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by VtSteve

I've actually thought about some of the older boats as deals, but I lack any real mechanical knowledge to deal with broken

Plus, as anyone that currently owns a fairly new boat knows, it's almost impossible to get rid of what you have.

BTW, what the heck is that site you linked?

Correct linx to the boat search engine:
http://www.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/mash.cgi?cat=cpboat

Sorry.

I have an excellent mechanic that will survey the boat for me. I have a clause in the bill of sale, that the sale is subject to a successful survey before final payment. Which is negotiated.

Yes it is almost impossible, yet I had the old boat on Craigslist sold within 7 days to a guy on the Cape. The boat was a classic 'Liberator'.

[fatlazyless]

...file this one under the...."when do we get there" file....look'n thru my binoculars....there goes a 17' aluminum canoe, like an olde Grumman...with two on board....paddl'n down past south Bear and Dolly Island and either around or onto Mark Island....time will tell....somethin you basically never see....a canoe....hope that canoe knows about the 45-mph speed limit....paddle-paddle-paddle

[Tyler]

Just ignore the turtle VTsteve, he is just trolling for an argument. About all he is capable of doing, non value added as usual.

[Excalibur]

How do laser (LIDAR) detectors work?
Laser Beam

Laser speed detection is actually LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging). LIDAR guns project a beam of invisible infrared light. The signal is a series of very short infrared light energy pulses, which move, in a straight line, reflecting off your car and returning to the gun. LIDAR uses these light pulses to measure the distance to a vehicle. Speed is then calculated by measuring how quickly these pulses are reflected given the known speed of light.

LIDAR (or laser) is a newer technology and is not as widespread as conventional radar, therefore, you may not encounter laser on a daily basis. And unlike radar detection, laser detection is not prone to false alarms. Because LIDAR transmits a much narrower beam than does radar, it is much more accurate in its ability to distinguish between targets and is also more difficult to detect. AS A RESULT, EVEN THE BRIEFEST LASER ALERT SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

There are limitations to LIDAR equipment. LIDAR is much more sensitive to weather conditions than RADAR, and a LIDAR gun's range will be decreased by anything affecting visibility such as rain, fog, or smoke. A LIDAR gun cannot operate through glass and it must be stationary in order to get an accurate reading. Because LIDAR must have a clear line of sight and is subject to some cosine error (an inaccuracy, which increases as the angle between the gun and the vehicle, increases) police typically use LIDAR equipment parallel to the road or from an overpass. LIDAR can be used day or night.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by partsman

I can tell by the wake that you are doing 44.2 mph in this picture

Great work.. I believe it was exactly 44.2 give or take 25 mph..

Originally Posted by DoTheMath

I heard, saw and passed many performance boats out and about this past weekend, and they were doing a fine job of enjoying their craft in a safe and responsible manner!

But I thought that the SL had banished those "certain types of boats" from the lake? How is the economy being destroyed if the performance boaters are still coming? Where's the predicted armageddon? Sounds like the SL has indeed made the lake enjoyable for all.

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

I almost doubled it (the SL) as well.

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

I believe it (my speed) was exactly 44.2 give or take 25 mph.

This is the "Safe Boaters'" mascot? No wonder the SL passed so easily. What a joke.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by elchase

But I thought that the SL had banished those "certain types of boats" from the lake? How is the economy being destroyed if the performance boaters are still coming? Where's the predicted armageddon? Sounds like the SL has indeed made the lake enjoyable for all.

Actually, The Democrats are destroying the economy. The property tax will be so high, the common folks will be driven off the lake. Soon the Fat Cats and the Arab oil sheiks will take over the lake. With their 50 foot high performance cruisers, even the MP will be afraid to pull them over.

When that moment comes, the lake will only be a memory.

As the old saying goes. 'Be careful what you wish for'.

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by elchase

But I thought that the SL had banished those "certain types of boats" from the lake? How is the economy being destroyed if the performance boaters are still coming? Where's the predicted armageddon? Sounds like the SL has indeed made the lake enjoyable for all.

This is the "Safe Boaters'" mascot? No wonder the SL passed so easily. What a joke.

EL, did you ever think that just maybe this is someone thumbing their chin?

You can photograph and complain about boaters speeding and rafting. I still recall your diatribes about rafters in braun bay The boaters can photograph and complain about the 'illegal' and 'lake ruining' activities by those who own shore front homes. Equilibrium is a wonderful thing.

Smile for the camera

[Rattlesnake Gal]

Old 05-28-2009, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Agreed.. I almost doubled it as well....

Old 06-18-2009, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Great work.. I believe it was exactly 44.2 give or take 25 mph..

Originally Posted by elchase

This is the "Safe Boaters'" mascot? No wonder the SL passed so easily. What a joke.

elchase, both of those quotes are rather stale. Maybe next time you can include the dates too?

Now that OCDACTIVE is the President of Safe Boaters of New Hampshire, I wouldn't think he would be bragging publicly about breaking the law.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by elchase

But I thought that the SL had banished those "certain types of boats" from the lake? How is the economy being destroyed if the performance boaters are still coming? Where's the predicted armageddon? Sounds like the SL has indeed made the lake enjoyable for all.




This is the "Safe Boaters'" mascot? No wonder the SL passed so easily. What a joke.

ElChase, you and WinnFABS are one trick ponies.

Please go back under your rocks until you begin your campaign to rid the lake of all power boats.

[Kracken]

Didn’t the last 3 Presidents admit to smoking pot before they took office? Ok so one claimed he didn’t inhale, but they all admitted to it and their presidencies turned out to be…come to think of it, probably not the best example.

We need to lighten up here. It seems whenever somebody doesn’t like a thread, the law (that can’t be mentioned) is brought up, and the thread is locked.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

ElChase, you and WinnFABS are one trick ponies.

Please go back under your rocks until you begin your campaign to rid the lake of all power boats.

Thanks for the support. The ignore feature works wonders really.

Even so it doesn’t bother me when old quotes out of context have to be dredged up to try to discredit me. This from those unwilling to publically debate an issue, which is just that “a political issue” that each and every citizen has the right to discuss. On an open forum we discuss ideas on many topics and if some choose to appear only sporadically and in clear violation of forum rules to try to move an agenda it isn’t our place to cry foul. There is never a need to make things personal which is why it is water off a duck’s back and says more about the person writing then the person being attacked. I have always been willing to listen to both sides and have respect for people’s beliefs regardless on what topic. This is what makes our system work because both sides are able to be heard and why democracy will prevail.

[LIforrelaxin]

This thread is supposed to be about the presence of performance boats on the lake. I encourage everyone to stay on the topic and not wonder into any of the other debates that could easy be attached to this one issue.

Performance boats are a thing of Beauty, pleasant to the eye, and ears. As well as a joy to ride in. They are something that should have a home on any lake the size of Winnipesaukee.

So lets talk about what we like about them, perfomance characteristics of various boats etc. But leave the speed limit out of this thread.