NH Mask Mandates

[LoveLakeLife]

Freedom has always been more important than safety to most Americans. “Give me liberty or give me death” was meant literally.


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[trfour]

or, Continue to Live Free, and Get Your Vaccine!!

[John Mercier]

I doubt is ''Give me liberty or give me death"... or the Stark paraphrase of Patrick Henry "Live free for death is not the worst of all evils'' that lead to our State motto.

The facts are that capitalism always overcomes. During easy times people get soft, but when the worst hits... then its like an atheist in a foxhole.
All the push and pull that government at all levels tried to do, and what really got it rolling was strong transmission, hospitalization, and death.

In general, we are creatures of limited vision...

[ApS]

The first doctor I heard who was anti-vax, Dr. Zelensko:

"I am still fascinated by the approach of Sweden. They did minimal mitigation (no mask mandate, business allowed to continue except tourism/travel, etc), vaccinated and now, although having another wave, seem to be having a small wave with almost no deaths". https://www.wadeburleson.org/2021/08...jerusalem.html

Originally Posted by LoveLakeLife

Freedom has always been more important than safety to most Americans. “Give me liberty or give me death” was meant literally.

A former California Governor—an Austrian immigrant whose father was in the Wehrmacht—said yesterday,

"Screw your freedom".

Y'suppose he wants The Mandate? The third dose is FDA-approved.

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Yes--I knew that's what you meant when I called you out. As you so often do when discussing vaccines, you introduce all sorts of irrelevant, inflammatory, false stuff, such as implying that the problem is Black people.

Sure, there are some Black people who cant get past injustices out of their heads long enough to get vaccinated. I find this idiotic. But pick any newspaper any day, and you'll see the leaders of the anti vax movement are typically white, conservative, southern. I find these guys idiotic too. Let's leave race out of it.

Your answer to the words found @ 30 seconds? (Following..."They're used to being experimented on...").

https://youtu.be/HCy4eUmlmFA

BTW: I'm vaccinated (and can prove it) so I'm not anti-vax, but a proponent of COVID-19 early treatment and prophylaxis—as my retired-activist Cardiologist is. (And thousands of other doctors worldwide).

Will Silicone Valley and New York City's Millennials run the entire show for us? Tell us what to believe? Omit thought? Forbid access? Ban? Drown-out? De-platform?

Are all these MDs to be continually blocked by "Social Media", as Dr. Rand Paul is?

Example:

[John Mercier]

So pretend your an actual capitalist and start your own platform, and build out the network...

[WinnisquamZ]

https://wmur.com/article/national-ed...ement/37303124


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[ApS]

"NH teachers OK with being vaccinated". With other states, that message arrives with "...or weekly testing". (Implied in the link's article).

Originally Posted by John Mercier

So pretend your an actual capitalist and start your own platform, and build out the network...
I doubt is ''Give me liberty or give me death"... or the Stark paraphrase of Patrick Henry "Live free for death is not the worst of all evils'' that lead [sic] to our State motto.
The facts are that capitalism always overcomes. During easy times people get soft, but when the worst hits... then its like an atheist in a foxhole. All the push and pull that government at all levels tried to do, and what really got it rolling was strong transmission, hospitalization, and death. In general, we are creatures of limited vision...

After spending most of this lazy afternoon reviewing foreign news from the Anglosphere (England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand), I fear it is too late: "Freedom of Speech" is no longer recognized—except by The State and its media.

South Africa* is going the way of Zimbabwe*, New Zealand* and England* are falling to a distant "religiosity", and Australia suffers worse attacks on Freedom of Speech than the US:
*= "That place over there". (Who is buying-up US cropland).

Also led by their media: Australia's Sky News has been suspended by The Australian State for reporting on a certain laptop computer—now two!—that blackmails the USA leadership* sought by the rest of the free world.

Australia's NSW Health Minister, Dr. Chant said yesterday, "Not to talk to your neighbors, even with a mask".

Look for future examples of "Fear-Porn".

[John Mercier]

Freedom of Speech is not freedom to use others property as you wish.

[ApS]

I liked having a fact-checker in 1995, when Snopes came into existence.

Snopes did seem to punish those who were not on the left, though. What stupid conspiracy theories--easily debunked--I thought to myself: Snopes must be making them up, giving logical, well-resourced answers, and crowning themselves with glory worthy of The Party.

The New York Times reviewed Snopes' efforts with this:

"a quest to debunk misinformation online."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml...rism-mikkelson

So, what should happen yesterday, but a founding Snopes partner had been making-up at least 54 entries!

He will still keep control of Snopes with 50% of ownership, but how many millions of people had been made fools of, by "The Fact-Checker of Record"?

"Critics also say Big Tech companies' control of social media and online searches endangers democracy by fostering divisiveness and spreading alarming conspiracy theories. The U.S. Department of Justice has sued Google..."

https://library.cqpress.com/cqresear...srre2021050700

"Across the globe, Big Tech is in the regulatory and antitrust hot seat. The European Commission has launched two major initiatives–the Digital Markets Act & the Digital Services Act–to rein in digital platforms and protect consumers...With global momentum building, what can the United States learn from these European regulatory proposals?

https://www.publicknowledge.org/vide...-should-know/"

You see, the battle for Control involves keeping the fear of COVID-19 before The People all day...for...maybe years.

Those with cardiac concerns should be wary of COVID-19 vaccinations, including the subsequent boosters being discussed now. Too many injuries have been recorded to casually accept another jab. (And I say this as a stockholder).

Excepting the obese, for a disease that kills such a small percentage of the afflicted, the tightly-controlled drumbeat seems to be "working" into 2024.

[John Mercier]

https://www.sec.gov/oiea/investor-al...ia_rumors.html

[ApS]

Originally Posted by trfour

Please Read; https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ck-so-n1276599

Considering the bedlam we reap upon ourselves, Sweden has managed remarkably well—in doing very little!

Originally Posted by John Mercier

https://www.sec.gov/oiea/investor-al...ia_rumors.html

The site wants me to check-mark their boxes.

Which boxes should I check?

Originally Posted by trfour

Please Read; https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/re...?ocid=msedgntp

Hospitals stand to make a lot of money, but this page couldn't wait to bash the Governors of two states.

My broker also pushed MSN stock, so I'd file this MSN network under COVID-2024.

[barefootbay]

Lots of libertarians.

[trfour]

We already know how to save lives, it's about convincing the rest!!

Read; https://www.nhpr.org/coronavirusblog

[ApS]

1) From the NPR article:

"The five deaths brings New Hampshire's overall COVID-19 death toll to 1,402. All five residents were 60 or older, with two from Belknap County, two from Hillsborough, and the fifth person from Sullivan County".

Were NH's deaths due to the lack of vaccinations, or to the administration of them?

'Asking, because this comes on the heels of "23 nursing-home deaths" following US-developed Pfizer vaccine jabs in Norway.
https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/...probe-launched

BTW:
I should correct my up-thread statement, as I don't own Moderna stocks.

2) A most interesting "vaccination bribe":

A recent vaccine, developed in Cuba, will be offered to tourists who visit the island nation and stay (presumably) in Cuba's newest hotels, according to NPR...
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...-covid-vaccine

[WinnisquamZ]

https://granitegrok.com/blog/2021/08...viving-covid19


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[trfour]

Among many other things that Bring Many other people here. There for it is in today's Pandemic, with all the different points of view, the very unfortunate amount of disinformation that can be spread, it is critical that we keep an eye out on other parts of our Country! As we all know, this Pandemic is far from over, and we need to get on the same page, so to speak.

Do the next right thing, Wash Hands, Ware Face Mask's and get Vaccinated!!

[LoveLakeLife]

Haha wash hands? It’s back to being transmissible bu touch now? One man’s disinformation is another man’s information.


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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by trfour

Among many other things that Bring Many other people here. There for it is in today's Pandemic, with all the different points of view, the very unfortunate amount of disinformation that can be spread, it is critical that we keep an eye out on other parts of our Country! As we all know, this Pandemic is far from over, and we need to get on the same page, so to speak.

Do the next right thing, Wash Hands, Ware Face Mask's and get Vaccinated!!

You say there are different points of view yet you want everyone to do what you think is “next right thing”. Seems like a contradiction to me.


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[LoveLakeLife]

Wear face masks AND get vaccinated? I thought we heard that the latter obviated the former?


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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by LoveLakeLife

Wear face masks AND get vaccinated? I thought we heard that the latter obviated the former?


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Sadly, we've learned that both are important--in large part because not enough people are vaccinated.

One thing to keep in mind is that in many ways this is all brand new to our public health leaders. They give the best understanding they have, but often that understanding changes as new information comes in. That's just a basic reality with new science--it's not perfect, but it's the best we have.

What's not helpful is trolling public health leaders and/or opining for political or emotional reasons

[LoveLakeLife]

Nothing political or emotional about common sense, which isn’t brand new.


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[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Sadly, we've learned that both are important--in large part because not enough people are vaccinated.

One thing to keep in mind is that in many ways this is all brand new to our public health leaders. They give the best understanding they have, but often that understanding changes as new information comes in. That's just a basic reality with new science--it's not perfect, but it's the best we have.

What's not helpful is trolling public health leaders and/or opining for political or emotional reasons

"Leaders"? I hope your tongue is firmly implanted in your cheek when you refer to them as "leaders"....

[trfour]

Originally Posted by joey2665

You say there are different points of view yet you want everyone to do what you think is “next right thing”. Seems like a contradiction to me.

This Pandemic is Not My Fault. And I am repeating what those who have studied and learned the truth about, Scientists, Doctors, you name it.

Going on 78 with some underlying health issues, I always listen to my Doctors.

[TKD]

What ever happened to “my body, my choice”? Seems like that doesn’t apply any longer pending on the position.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by TKD

What ever happened to “my body, my choice”? Seems like that doesn’t apply any longer pending on the position.

Pregnancy is not a transmissible disease.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by TKD

What ever happened to “my body, my choice”? Seems like that doesn’t apply any longer pending on the position.

Nobody here has questioned a person's right to choose for themselves. Our society allows a person to do or not do a whole bunch of things with their bodies that other people think are poor choices. Just for example--most of us, even smokers, acknowledge that it is a poor choice to smoke two packs a day.

So sure, it's your choice to get a vaccine or not. But that does not mean that all choices are good ones