Scenic view, route 11, Gilford.

Bizer · 08-10-2017, 02:31 PM

[sarcasm: on] On Route 11, between Belknap Point and Ellacoya state Park, there is a scenic view pull out. Here are two "scenic" views taken from that rest area; one in May and the other just last Monday. [sarcasm: off]

JADAQ · 08-10-2017, 02:37 PM

Seems like all the scenic views are now overgrown. Alton Bay will soon look like that too,even by Sandy point the trees are growing fast!

Hillcountry · 08-10-2017, 02:39 PM

The flora is quite scenic but nevertheless, mundane.
Time to bring in the choppers with the tree pulverizers hanging from them.
Bizer...pulverizer....do I see a connection?

upthesaukee · 08-10-2017, 03:47 PM

It seems that a few years ago, there was a little trimming done at the Gilford Rte 11 Scenic view. It helped a little, but from what I read / heard, those tree tops are on private property, and the State had no right to cut them.

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jetlag100 · 08-10-2017, 03:48 PM

LOL Not much of a view....I go by it every Friday night, say the same thing..just topping the trees wouldn't be a bad thing...probably need the trees to secure the hill....last thing they need is a landslide

StardogChampion · 08-10-2017, 04:06 PM

We call that spot the "Not Scenic View".

The same thing is happening in our neighborhood. When first developed 40-50 years ago, the roads were laid out so there were great views. Over time, no one has maintained either the common spaces and of course never behind their homes so more and more views are disappearing while everything becomes very overgrown. The next ice storm won't be pretty.

Descant · 08-10-2017, 04:43 PM

There are laws about "timber trespass" i.e. harvesting trees that aren't yours. I heard one story about somebody taking down (girdling in this case) his neighbors trees to improve the view. The neighbor sued for $50,000 (loss of privacy value), a large sum to replace the trees (another $50K?) and $50K for the improved view that the defendant gained in market value with a better view. Last I heard, the case was still pending. Probably not high on the judge's priority list.(True)

You don't have to cut the trees down. A few years ago, our local conservation commission hired a Brontosaurus to cut a swath 75 feet wide through one of their holdings to provide better wildlife habitat. It's a chipper on the end of a 50 foot articulated arm and it starts at the top of a tree and chips as it comes down. In this case all you need to cut off is the top twenty feet. Fall foliage and watershed protection is maintained and the view is revealed. Of course, if you don't own the trees...

BTW, the Rt 11 view is available from November 15 to March 15. (Tongue in cheek post)

dickiej · 08-10-2017, 06:21 PM

Sam Snead was playing golf when he was in his 60's with I think Johnny Bench his rookie year. They get to a dogleg. Sam says, " hey rookie, when I was your age, I could hit it over the trees and cut the corner."
Bench tees it up, hits it for all he's worth, and can't clear the trees, about 50 feet high. He tries three more times and can't hit it over the trees.
Sam looks at him and says, "when I was your age, those trees were about 8 feet high!"

TiltonBB · 08-10-2017, 07:05 PM

10 years ago you could see Bahre's house too!

fatlazyless · 08-10-2017, 07:15 PM

Selective tree removal, like what's needed here is very expensive, and the NH DOT has had its budget trimmed, so they don't get the funding needed for a quality, state wide, snow removal program. NH cannot have it all.....something had to go ..... so, it was yes-snow removal, and no-tree removal....that's the NH way!

The trees will still be there, next year. For tree removal to happen, the state probably needs to raise the gas tax.....which will never happen.

Mr. V · 08-10-2017, 07:24 PM

Has anyone asked the property owner if he/she would object to the state trimming the tops?

JPC · 08-10-2017, 08:11 PM

The view is not the best in winter but NHDOT still plows that area. What a waste!

fatlazyless · 08-10-2017, 08:57 PM

Maybe its time to raise the NH gas tax by 5-cents so the state can do more with the roads. As cars get more fuel efficient, the state gas tax raises less money on a year by year comparison, and there's no money for trimming the trees.

Something to consider: NH license plates went from 'Scenic' to 'Live Free or Die' in 1971. For one year in 1963, it said 'Photoscenic' .....that's a word one doesn't hear anymore. If NH wants its scenic outlooks to be photoscenic, they need to raise the gas tax, or something! Just like a car, boat, or a house ....... roads need to be maintained....and that takes money coming from somewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicl..._New_Hampshire

Maybe put up a pay toll gate so it costs you 25-cents to drive into the rest area ......... right!

08-10-2017, 02:31 PM	#1
Bizer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 336 Thanks: 0 Thanked 243 Times in 82 Posts	Scenic view, route 11, Gilford. [sarcasm: on] On Route 11, between Belknap Point and Ellacoya state Park, there is a scenic view pull out. Here are two "scenic" views taken from that rest area; one in May and the other just last Monday. [sarcasm: off] Attached Images

08-10-2017, 03:47 PM	#4
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,596 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,453 Thanked 1,979 Times in 1,080 Posts	It seems that a few years ago, there was a little trimming done at the Gilford Rte 11 Scenic view. It helped a little, but from what I read / heard, those tree tops are on private property, and the State had no right to cut them. Sent from my SM-T580 using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

08-10-2017, 03:48 PM	#5
jetlag100 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Revere, Massachusetts and Moultonborough, N.H. Posts: 311 Thanks: 228 Thanked 79 Times in 50 Posts	Scenic View LOL Not much of a view....I go by it every Friday night, say the same thing..just topping the trees wouldn't be a bad thing...probably need the trees to secure the hill....last thing they need is a landslide

08-10-2017, 04:43 PM	#7
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,339 Thanks: 1,339 Thanked 1,621 Times in 1,053 Posts	There are laws about "timber trespass" i.e. harvesting trees that aren't yours. I heard one story about somebody taking down (girdling in this case) his neighbors trees to improve the view. The neighbor sued for $50,000 (loss of privacy value), a large sum to replace the trees (another $50K?) and $50K for the improved view that the defendant gained in market value with a better view. Last I heard, the case was still pending. Probably not high on the judge's priority list.(True) You don't have to cut the trees down. A few years ago, our local conservation commission hired a Brontosaurus to cut a swath 75 feet wide through one of their holdings to provide better wildlife habitat. It's a chipper on the end of a 50 foot articulated arm and it starts at the top of a tree and chips as it comes down. In this case all you need to cut off is the top twenty feet. Fall foliage and watershed protection is maintained and the view is revealed. Of course, if you don't own the trees... BTW, the Rt 11 view is available from November 15 to March 15. (Tongue in cheek post) Last edited by Descant; 08-10-2017 at 04:46 PM. Reason: Added parenthetical clarifications

08-10-2017, 07:15 PM	#10
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,738 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,007 Times in 735 Posts	Selective tree removal, like what's needed here is very expensive, and the NH DOT has had its budget trimmed, so they don't get the funding needed for a quality, state wide, snow removal program. NH cannot have it all.....something had to go ..... so, it was yes-snow removal, and no-tree removal....that's the NH way! The trees will still be there, next year. For tree removal to happen, the state probably needs to raise the gas tax.....which will never happen. __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

08-10-2017, 02:37 PM	#2
JADAQ Senior Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 198 Thanks: 4 Thanked 66 Times in 43 Posts	Seems like all the scenic views are now overgrown. Alton Bay will soon look like that too,even by Sandy point the trees are growing fast!

08-10-2017, 02:39 PM	#3
Hillcountry Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: In the hills Posts: 2,420 Thanks: 1,677 Thanked 786 Times in 466 Posts	The flora is quite scenic but nevertheless, mundane. Time to bring in the choppers with the tree pulverizers hanging from them. Bizer...pulverizer....do I see a connection?

08-10-2017, 04:06 PM	#6
StardogChampion Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Gunstock Acres Posts: 50 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	We call that spot the "Not Scenic View". The same thing is happening in our neighborhood. When first developed 40-50 years ago, the roads were laid out so there were great views. Over time, no one has maintained either the common spaces and of course never behind their homes so more and more views are disappearing while everything becomes very overgrown. The next ice storm won't be pretty.

08-10-2017, 06:21 PM	#8
dickiej Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: White Salmon, WA Posts: 299 Thanks: 21 Thanked 171 Times in 93 Posts	Sam Snead was playing golf when he was in his 60's with I think Johnny Bench his rookie year. They get to a dogleg. Sam says, " hey rookie, when I was your age, I could hit it over the trees and cut the corner." Bench tees it up, hits it for all he's worth, and can't clear the trees, about 50 feet high. He tries three more times and can't hit it over the trees. Sam looks at him and says, "when I was your age, those trees were about 8 feet high!"

08-10-2017, 07:05 PM	#9
TiltonBB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilford, NH and Florida Posts: 2,988 Thanks: 695 Thanked 2,195 Times in 930 Posts	10 years ago you could see Bahre's house too!

08-10-2017, 07:24 PM	#11
Mr. V Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the left coast (Portland)and West Alton Posts: 1,388 Thanks: 63 Thanked 253 Times in 172 Posts	Has anyone asked the property owner if he/she would object to the state trimming the tops?

08-10-2017, 08:11 PM	#12
JPC Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Milford, NH Posts: 161 Thanks: 44 Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts	Winter view The view is not the best in winter but NHDOT still plows that area. What a waste!

08-10-2017, 08:57 PM	#13
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,738 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,007 Times in 735 Posts	Maybe its time to raise the NH gas tax by 5-cents so the state can do more with the roads. As cars get more fuel efficient, the state gas tax raises less money on a year by year comparison, and there's no money for trimming the trees. Something to consider: NH license plates went from 'Scenic' to 'Live Free or Die' in 1971. For one year in 1963, it said 'Photoscenic' .....that's a word one doesn't hear anymore. If NH wants its scenic outlooks to be photoscenic, they need to raise the gas tax, or something! Just like a car, boat, or a house ....... roads need to be maintained....and that takes money coming from somewhere. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicl..._New_Hampshire Maybe put up a pay toll gate so it costs you 25-cents to drive into the rest area ......... right! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 08-15-2017 at 10:59 AM.