Washing machine shutoff valves

SailinAway · 03-13-2022, 05:45 PM

Alright, gentlemen, now that we've got a watertight roof, the oil company canceled the second bill for the smoke smell, and the car has new ignition coils, let's fix the washing machine shutoff valve. It's leaking around the handle in the ON position. It's a Watts-type valve like this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Watts-1-...175C/205893456

I think I need to replace the O rings? I've looked for valve repair kit at the Home Depot website and I can't find it. On YouTube I found the diagram below, but I can't find this kit. Can anyone identify the kit at Lowes or Home Depot? Thank you very much!

randalnh · 03-13-2022, 06:06 PM

Maybe try:

https://www.supplyhouse.com/Watts-08...SABEgJLUfD_BwE

or, of that does not work, buy a new valve and scavenge the o-rings out of it.

SailinAway · 03-13-2022, 06:49 PM

Good find, Randalnh. Thank you.

There's a great video here on rebuilding the valve using the repair kit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1lvvHjG4EI

At the end of the video, a note says that rebuilding the valve is time consuming and you're better off buying a new valve! I'm sure that applies to me, with zero plumbing skills. I have replaced the O rings inside the hoses before but I didn't go beyond that. Apparently when the valve is leaking in the ON position you have to disassemble the whole thing and replace the O rings and teflon disks.

Repair kit: $23. New valve: $35. I'll get a new valve.

fatlazyless · 03-13-2022, 08:00 PM

www.watts.com who made your washing machine shut-off valve is located nearby at 583 South Main St, Franklin NH 03235.

If you took it back to them, they probably just give you a new one!

SailinAway · 03-13-2022, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

www.watts.com who made your washing machine shut-off valve is located nearby at 583 South Main St, Franklin NH 03235. If you took it back to them, they probably just give you a new one!

Heh heh. I find that those valves only last a few years. This will be the third time I'm replacing it. I find I replace leaky and corroded faucets a lot too.

fatlazyless · 03-13-2022, 08:21 PM

That's what happens when your employee only gets the New Hampshire minimum wage of $7.25/hr. You get a Watts Valve that leaks! .....

John Mercier · 03-13-2022, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SailinAway

Heh heh. I find that those valves only last a few years. This will be the third time I'm replacing it. I find I replace leaky and corroded faucets a lot too.

Check your water.
It may have a high pH.

8gv · 03-13-2022, 09:30 PM

I had a valve that was similar or maybe the same one.

I bought a new valve and used it to change out the guts from the old one.

There was no need to sweat in a new valve body.

mswlogo · 03-14-2022, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 8gv

I had a valve that was similar or maybe the same one.

I bought a new valve and used it to change out the guts from the old one.

There was no need to sweat in a new valve body.

I’ve done exactly that a few times on different plumbing projects. Like bathtub valves. Body is fine.

Often you can find the whole valve cheaper on Amazon or EBay than buying the parts.

SailinAway · 03-14-2022, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mswlogo

I’ve done exactly that a few times on different plumbing projects. Like bathtub valves. Body is fine.

Often you can find the whole valve cheaper on Amazon or EBay than buying the parts.

You're right: here's one for $23 https://www.amazon.com/HYDRO-MASTER-...s%2C152&sr=8-3

Does that look OK?

SailinAway · 03-14-2022, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randalnh

Maybe try:

https://www.supplyhouse.com/Watts-08...SABEgJLUfD_BwE

or, of that does not work, buy a new valve and scavenge the o-rings out of it.

I'm confused. Why would you take out the O rings rather than just installing the new valve? Installing a new valve looks a lot easier than rebuilding the whole valve.

mswlogo · 03-14-2022, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SailinAway

I'm confused. Why would you take out the O rings rather than just installing the new valve? Installing a new valve looks a lot easier than rebuilding the whole valve.

Because some people are safer with a wrench than a blow torch.
Sometimes they are built into a wall and might not be so easy.

You should disassemble the new valve to install it anyways or you will damage the o-rings. You know that, right?

mswlogo · 03-14-2022, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SailinAway

You're right: here's one for $23 https://www.amazon.com/HYDRO-MASTER-...s%2C152&sr=8-3

Does that look OK?

If you are replacing the whole thing, that might be fine.

Keep in mind there are sweat type, threaded type and combo type.

If you are using it for the guts, make sure it’s the EXACT same one.

Getting the old off might be breeze or a pain in the ass.
Like it might be easiest to cut it out and mount it an inch higher (or lower).

If you have to blow torch it off, have fun.

Way Out There 2 · 03-14-2022, 10:31 AM

I recently fixed this same problem by buying two shark valves. Cut off the old style valve and installed the new ones. No soldering, no dripping, so far so good.

Woody38 · 03-14-2022, 01:11 PM

Have never replaced nor repaired any valve in the house. Possible something is in the water that a water conditioner may solve. This is not a water softener but a water conditioner. Magnetic conditioners are available which are easily installed. Caution, wear gloves. There are also some which connect to an outlet

_______________________________________

I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic

SailinAway · 03-14-2022, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mswlogo

Because some people are safer with a wrench than a blow torch.
Sometimes they are built into a wall and might not be so easy.

You should disassemble the new valve to install it anyways or you will damage the o-rings. You know that, right?

HAHA! There's no blowtorch involved. I've actually done this before. An experienced person can do it in 5 minutes. What's this about dismantling it to avoid damaging the O rings?? You just unscrew the valve, slide it off, and slide on the new one, no?

SailinAway · 04-20-2022, 08:47 PM

I finally replaced the shutoff valve on the washing machine. However, in so doing I broke the (ancient) connector on one of the hoses. Since the pipes to the washing machine don't have separate shutoffs, I capped off the ends of the Watts shutoff valve so I could turn the house water back on. I bought two new hoses. Should I be able to install these myself? Any problems I need to foresee? Yes, I know you have to get the hot and cold water right.

thinkxingu · 04-20-2022, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SailinAway

I finally replaced the shutoff valve on the washing machine. However, in so doing I broke the (ancient) connector on one of the hoses. Since the pipes to the washing machine don't have separate shutoffs, I capped off the ends of the Watts shutoff valve so I could turn the house water back on. I bought two new hoses. Should I be able to install these myself? Any problems I need to foresee? Yes, I know you have to get the hot and cold water right.

Are these just standard threaded braided hoses? If so, screw 'em on and get to washin'!

The only thing you might want to do is throw a little Teflon tape on there first.

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SailinAway · 04-20-2022, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Are these just standard threaded braided hoses? If so, screw 'em on and get to washin'!

The only thing you might want to do is throw a little Teflon tape on there first.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

They're rubber, not braided hoses, with threaded connectors. I'm a bit concerned about pulling the washing machine out.

Also still wondering about Mslogo's comment above, "You should disassemble the new valve to install it anyways or you will damage the o-rings."

John Mercier · 04-20-2022, 09:52 PM

He meant if the connections had to be soldered.
The heat would risk damage to the o-rings.

fatlazyless · 04-21-2022, 04:27 AM

Any water hose with the standard garden hose, screw on connection will seal up a lot better with a small dab of Vaseline on the threads.

'Just a little dab will do it.'

SailinAway · 04-21-2022, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Any water hose with the standard garden hose, screw on connection will seal up a lot better with a small dab of Vaseline on the threads.

'Just a little dab will do it.'

Really?? I never heard that before. I did see a video by Maytag that said you shouldn't put plumber's tape, plumber's putty, or anything else on the connector.

thinkxingu · 04-21-2022, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Really?? I never heard that before. I did see a video by Maytag that said you shouldn't put plumber's tape, plumber's putty, or anything else on the connector.

You are correct—I was thinking of the valve you referred to. Good catch!

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fatlazyless · 04-21-2022, 11:38 AM

All these Maytag no-go's are sealant adhesives while ordinary Vaseline white petroleum jelly is a waterproof lubricant so it helps to make a non-permanent seal within the garden hose threads, and it remains within the threads for a long time, like for weeks and maybe a couple months or more.

camp guy · 04-21-2022, 12:51 PM

Vaseline is non-toxic, and what minute bit might be touched by water won't bother the water at all. I use Vaseline to lubricate the large threads on the water filter cartridge holders. Works like a charm.

SailinAway · 04-21-2022, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

All these Maytag no-go's are sealant adhesives while ordinary Vaseline white petroleum jelly is a waterproof lubricant so it helps to make a non-permanent seal within the garden hose threads, and it remains within the threads for a long time, like for weeks and maybe a couple months or more.

Two months? Then what? It leaks?

fatlazyless · 04-21-2022, 06:29 PM

A garden hose thread is almost the same as a 3/4" pipe thread but is designed to seal tight without any thread sealer with the hose washer. Using Vaseline improves the seal by making the two parts slide together, better. Hose fittings are usually brass or black plastic and it works good with both because it's a grease lube that doesn't dissolve too much by water.

For $2.50 you can get a large jar in the baby section at Family Dollar.

Boats lifts and jet ski lifts love Vaseline petroleum jelly. Rub it onto the stainless cable, and any hard black vinyl boat lift parts that catch a lot of sunshine ..... and it will be a HAPPY boat lift!

TheProfessor · 04-24-2022, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

For $2.50 you can get a large jar in the baby section at Family Dollar.

Dollar Tree has same product for $1.25.

SailinAway · 05-01-2022, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Are these just standard threaded braided hoses? If so, screw 'em on and get to washin'! Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

Ta daa! I got the hoses connected and I'm gettin' to washin'.

Lessons I learned: If the shutoff valve is leaking, the hose connectors are very likely old as well. Change the valve and hoses at the same time to avoid a leak when you break the hose connector and two trips to Home Depot. Also, the connector on the hose is supposed to turn freely. If it's fused to the part that is crimped onto the hose from corrosion, don't use pliers to force the connector to turn or it will break clear off.

FFL, I didn't use vaseline but I googled that and it turns out that there are a lot of household uses for it that I was unaware of. I've been fighting with leaking garden hoses for decades. I'll use some vaseline next time I connect the hose, instead of using pliers and denting the connector.

Thank you to everyone who helped me with the valve and hoses.

03-13-2022, 05:45 PM	#1
SailinAway Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 991 Thanks: 256 Thanked 280 Times in 169 Posts	Washing machine shutoff valves Alright, gentlemen, now that we've got a watertight roof, the oil company canceled the second bill for the smoke smell, and the car has new ignition coils, let's fix the washing machine shutoff valve. It's leaking around the handle in the ON position. It's a Watts-type valve like this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Watts-1-...175C/205893456 I think I need to replace the O rings? I've looked for valve repair kit at the Home Depot website and I can't find it. On YouTube I found the diagram below, but I can't find this kit. Can anyone identify the kit at Lowes or Home Depot? Thank you very much! Attached Images

03-13-2022, 08:00 PM	#4
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,723 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,000 Times in 729 Posts	www.watts.com who made your washing machine shut-off valve is located nearby at 583 South Main St, Franklin NH 03235. If you took it back to them, they probably just give you a new one! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

03-13-2022, 08:21 PM	#6
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,723 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,000 Times in 729 Posts	That's what happens when your employee only gets the New Hampshire minimum wage of $7.25/hr. You get a Watts Valve that leaks! ..... __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

03-14-2022, 10:31 AM	#14
Way Out There 2 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Meredith Posts: 65 Thanks: 2 Thanked 37 Times in 8 Posts	Washing machine valves I recently fixed this same problem by buying two shark valves. Cut off the old style valve and installed the new ones. No soldering, no dripping, so far so good.

04-20-2022, 08:47 PM	#17
SailinAway Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 991 Thanks: 256 Thanked 280 Times in 169 Posts	Update I finally replaced the shutoff valve on the washing machine. However, in so doing I broke the (ancient) connector on one of the hoses. Since the pipes to the washing machine don't have separate shutoffs, I capped off the ends of the Watts shutoff valve so I could turn the house water back on. I bought two new hoses. Should I be able to install these myself? Any problems I need to foresee? Yes, I know you have to get the hot and cold water right.

03-13-2022, 06:06 PM	#2
randalnh Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 49 Thanks: 1 Thanked 19 Times in 8 Posts	Maybe try: https://www.supplyhouse.com/Watts-08...SABEgJLUfD_BwE or, of that does not work, buy a new valve and scavenge the o-rings out of it.

03-13-2022, 06:49 PM	#3
SailinAway Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 991 Thanks: 256 Thanked 280 Times in 169 Posts	Good find, Randalnh. Thank you. There's a great video here on rebuilding the valve using the repair kit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1lvvHjG4EI At the end of the video, a note says that rebuilding the valve is time consuming and you're better off buying a new valve! I'm sure that applies to me, with zero plumbing skills. I have replaced the O rings inside the hoses before but I didn't go beyond that. Apparently when the valve is leaking in the ON position you have to disassemble the whole thing and replace the O rings and teflon disks. Repair kit: $23. New valve: $35. I'll get a new valve.

03-13-2022, 09:30 PM	#8
8gv Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,079 Thanks: 63 Thanked 721 Times in 470 Posts	I had a valve that was similar or maybe the same one. I bought a new valve and used it to change out the guts from the old one. There was no need to sweat in a new valve body.

03-14-2022, 01:11 PM	#15
Woody38 Senior Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 577 Thanks: 46 Thanked 110 Times in 81 Posts	Have never replaced nor repaired any valve in the house. Possible something is in the water that a water conditioner may solve. This is not a water softener but a water conditioner. Magnetic conditioners are available which are easily installed. Caution, wear gloves. There are also some which connect to an outlet _______________________________________ I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic

04-20-2022, 09:52 PM	#20
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,340 Thanks: 3 Thanked 590 Times in 486 Posts	He meant if the connections had to be soldered. The heat would risk damage to the o-rings.

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04-21-2022, 04:27 AM	#21
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,723 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,000 Times in 729 Posts	Any water hose with the standard garden hose, screw on connection will seal up a lot better with a small dab of Vaseline on the threads. 'Just a little dab will do it.' __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

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04-21-2022, 11:38 AM	#24
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,723 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,000 Times in 729 Posts	All these Maytag no-go's are sealant adhesives while ordinary Vaseline white petroleum jelly is a waterproof lubricant so it helps to make a non-permanent seal within the garden hose threads, and it remains within the threads for a long time, like for weeks and maybe a couple months or more. __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

04-21-2022, 12:51 PM	#25
camp guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: formerly Winter Harbor, still Wolfeboro Posts: 1,173 Thanks: 298 Thanked 521 Times in 290 Posts	Vaseline as lubricant Vaseline is non-toxic, and what minute bit might be touched by water won't bother the water at all. I use Vaseline to lubricate the large threads on the water filter cartridge holders. Works like a charm.

04-21-2022, 06:29 PM	#27
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,723 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,000 Times in 729 Posts	A garden hose thread is almost the same as a 3/4" pipe thread but is designed to seal tight without any thread sealer with the hose washer. Using Vaseline improves the seal by making the two parts slide together, better. Hose fittings are usually brass or black plastic and it works good with both because it's a grease lube that doesn't dissolve too much by water. For $2.50 you can get a large jar in the baby section at Family Dollar. Boats lifts and jet ski lifts love Vaseline petroleum jelly. Rub it onto the stainless cable, and any hard black vinyl boat lift parts that catch a lot of sunshine ..... and it will be a HAPPY boat lift! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

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