a SIGN of things to come.... Braun Bay

GTO · 08-28-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Phantom

To RinkerFam's point earlier -- it looks as though these Refugee's of Braun are now setting up shop at Patrician Shores. And it's a tragedy.

My last two week-end experiences have led me to unfortunately keep the family away from this area where we have gone religiously and loved for nearly 15 years. It has always been a great FAMILY spot to meet good friends, have fun, and yet maintain a certain level of "boaters etiquette". Never (since leaving Braun Bay nearly 20 years ago) have I ever seen so many inconsiderate boaters in place as I have over the past couple of week-ends. The volleyball nets have arrived, the idea of three or more racks / lines of anchored boats --- There is nothing worse than being at the a sand bar only to find 4-5 "cruisers" decide to set up shop rafting right in front of you!! Hello -- there's plenty of waterfront!! BTW don't even think about setting anchor on/over/or near my front anchor line!!.

We had one pontoon boat actually "walk" his boat in and proceeded to "drop anchor" four (4) feet from our swim platform (when he dropped the mushroom anchor he actually splashed the family sitting on the rear sundeck). To top it off, someone on this pontoon boat of roughly 10 people had a dog (retriever I think) which over the course of the next hour barked incessantly at my two Grandgirls as they sat on our swim platform. Add to that the "spud gun" loud music, etc etc --

If your a long time fan of the area and been there recently you know exactly what I'm referring to ....... unfortunately people bring MP action upon themselves by their behavior...... I suspect within the next season or two this will become the Lakes next No Rafting Zone ----- It truly is a travesty!

and I'm sure I'll take a lot of bashing for this post

I counted 43 boats there a couple of Saturdays ago. A total zoo! Oh and where do the people that don't have porta potties on their boats go to the bathroom? Go a few feet into the woods there and you'll find out. Its always nice to be taking a walk and see the pile of toilet paper behind the tree. Of course, I'm sure when parents are taking their young ones on a nature hike, it should be easy enough to explain to them what that tampon is inside the sandwich bag. Yes, its there! And someone mentioned the music coming from boat(s). I heard one of the boats from the other side of the bay..Don't get me wrong, I was a DJ for 6 years and love music but I don't need to listen to yours. This isn't the Naswa! Not only that...but your choice of disco music really sucks. Ok, now go for a snorkel in the nice warm waters of the cove. Go on a scavenger hunt for a few beer bottles, plenty of red plastic cups...and my favorite....the pile of chicken bones on the bottom. Oh but wait, I do want to thank the person that must of accidentally dropped their $200 pair of Maui Jim sun glasses overboard. I look great in them now. I believe that whole lot of land there is owned by the Danes. I'm sure they would love to see what their land was being used for. Idiots like this are why there are no rafting zones.

VtSteve · 08-29-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GTO

Idiots like this are why there are no rafting zones.

Summed it up pretty well GTO. It's really sad..

SIKSUKR · 08-31-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GTO

Go a few feet into the woods there and you'll find out. Its always nice to be taking a walk and see the pile of toilet paper behind the tree. Of course, I'm sure when parents are taking their young ones on a nature hike, it should be easy enough to explain to them what that tampon is inside the sandwich bag. Yes, its there! .

I agree with the spirit of your post but for you to see what was onshore,you clearly violated the no-rafting zone rules in Braun.You are not in any way supposed to set foot on that property.As you stated,this is why property owners fight for no rafting zones.Glass houses...

BroadHopper · 08-31-2009, 08:43 AM

The shore along the Winnisquam sand bar is populated. So it will be hard to 'do your duty' on the shore. Maybe that is why Winnisquam is 'free from harrassment'.

Maybe they should change the rulings from no rafting to 'No duty zones'!

Gatto Nero · 08-31-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

I agree with the spirit of your post but for you to see what was onshore,you clearly violated the no-rafting zone rules in Braun.You are not in any way supposed to set foot on that property.As you stated,this is why property owners fight for no rafting zones.Glass houses...

As you can see by the post that was quoted, GTO's post was not referring to Braun Bay, it was referring to Patrician Shores. That area has a walking path from the association next door. So, my guess is that GTO was not rafting at all, but taking a nature walk. I've taken that same walk myself and seen many of the same things. I missed the Maui Jim's though

GTO · 08-31-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

I agree with the spirit of your post but for you to see what was onshore,you clearly violated the no-rafting zone rules in Braun.You are not in any way supposed to set foot on that property.As you stated,this is why property owners fight for no rafting zones.Glass houses...

But no where in my post did I say I was rafting or I even arrived by boat. As a matter of fact, I am a nearby resident that takes daily walks through the woods every day.

jrc · 08-31-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

I agree with the spirit of your post but for you to see what was onshore,you clearly violated the no-rafting zone rules in Braun.You are not in any way supposed to set foot on that property.As you stated,this is why property owners fight for no rafting zones.Glass houses...

Are there no tresspassing signs on the land behind the sandbar in Braun Bay? I don't remember seeing any but I never really looked.

No rafting zones don't stop you from going on shore. Obviously littering, especially human waste on shore is illegal and just plain gross, but just setting foot on shore is not covered by any boating rules.

gravy boat · 08-31-2009, 12:59 PM

Hubby and I were sans girlies this weekend so we checked out Braun Bay yeserday (Sunday). Was much more mellow that in recent weekends -- a sure sign of the approaching Fall.

There were several boats with dogs -- most were small in size (Terrier, Pugs, etc.). I saw at least two owners walk their dogs to shore to let them do their business.

I guess it beats letting them go on your boat or in the water, but why wouldn't you leave the dogs home? We leave our dogs home and either stop home mid-day or pay for someone to walk them mid-day.

SIKSUKR · 09-01-2009, 12:52 PM

My apologies GTO.Did not see that you were refering to Patrician Shores.I don't know why I believe this but I'm pretty sure you are not allowed to be on the shore in Braun Bay.

changeofplans · 09-01-2009, 02:23 PM

GTO,

I sent a PM to you, not sure if you got it. I was at Patrician a couple Saturdays ago with family and friends (4 boats total) the kids playing having a great time snorkling etc.. until one of the kids lost a snorkel and I handed my Maui's to someone on the boat so I could look for the snorkel in the chest deep water. Long story short my Maui's didn't make it into the boat and the bottom was too stirred up at the time to see them. The model is Kahuna 162-02 they are gun metal gray with light and dark gray kind of Camo frame. If these are the ones you found I love to swap some $$$ for them.

Thanks

jrc · 09-01-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

...I don't know why I believe this but I'm pretty sure you are not allowed to be on the shore in Braun Bay.

You may be right, there may be a tresspassing issue with the shore in Braun Bay. My point was just that a No Rafting Zone has nothing to do with walking on shore.

I'm sure one intent of some NRZs is to limit the number of boats, which has the effect of limiting the number of people. Which of course limits the number of meatheads that cause trouble and pollute.

Misty Blue · 09-03-2009, 10:58 PM

The shore at the "rafting area" in Braun Bay is the Kona wildlife management area. It is state property and extends from the skimobile path on the north side of the bay to the first house on the western side of the bay over Goodhue hill almost to the neck road.

I have hunted there for most of my life and have been supprised by how little impact the boaters have had on the area. Very little human waste. I did have to pick up some cans last week from the water. F....Jerks!

There are enough critters there doing their buisness that I don't think Scruffy the pooch will cause a serious inpact on the ecology of Moultonborough.

Live and let live, let nature be your teacher.

Misty Blue

Airwaves · 09-03-2009, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by jrc

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Are there no tresspassing signs on the land behind the sandbar in Braun Bay? I don't remember seeing any but I never really looked.

As a land owner in NH (beyond the waterfront on Lake Winnipesauee) I can tell you that unless there are No Tresspassing signs every 50 feet (and the locals tend to rip them down) then the property is open to the public and authorities will do nothing.

We have tried on a number of occasions to post our property but the signs are ripped off and trash accumulates! Wanna bet the sheriff's relatives are involved? Hardwood trees have also disappeared!

jrc · 09-04-2009, 07:57 AM

AW has it right, I own some land along a river. I have more than a few issues with teenage party trash. I put up signs and they tear them down. The police always say, "no sign, no crime"

Technically, criminal tresspassing in NH is knowingly being somewhere you should not be. It's the "knowingly" part that's hard. I've heard stories of people videotaping themselves telling tresspassers to leave, then they can't later say that they didn't know. Too much work for me.

So seeing no signs in Braun Bay, I can go on shore until someone (a LEO or a landowner) tells me to leave. Then I can never return, because then I "know".

RTTOOL · 09-01-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gto

i counted 43 boats there a couple of saturdays ago. A total zoo! Oh and where do the people that don't have porta potties on their boats go to the bathroom? Go a few feet into the woods there and you'll find out. Its always nice to be taking a walk and see the pile of toilet paper behind the tree. Of course, i'm sure when parents are taking their young ones on a nature hike, it should be easy enough to explain to them what that tampon is inside the sandwich bag. Yes, its there! And someone mentioned the music coming from boat(s). I heard one of the boats from the other side of the bay..don't get me wrong, i was a dj for 6 years and love music but i don't need to listen to yours. This isn't the naswa! Not only that...but your choice of disco music really sucks. Ok, now go for a snorkel in the nice warm waters of the cove. Go on a scavenger hunt for a few beer bottles, plenty of red plastic cups...and my favorite....the pile of chicken bones on the bottom. Oh but wait, i do want to thank the person that must of accidentally dropped their $200 pair of maui jim sun glasses overboard. I look great in them now. I believe that whole lot of land there is owned by the danes. I'm sure they would love to see what their land was being used for. Idiots like this are why there are no rafting zones.

hey gto thanks for finding my jims where can i meet you so i can get them back...

GTO · 09-04-2009, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RTTOOL

hey gto thanks for finding my jims where can i meet you so i can get them back...

Come on RT, I know you don't wear your Jims when you ride your jet ski.....anyway, if they are yours....look on EBAY

08-31-2009, 08:43 AM	#4
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,615 Thanks: 3,245 Thanked 1,115 Times in 801 Posts	I see a difference. The shore along the Winnisquam sand bar is populated. So it will be hard to 'do your duty' on the shore. Maybe that is why Winnisquam is 'free from harrassment'. Maybe they should change the rulings from no rafting to 'No duty zones'! __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

08-31-2009, 12:59 PM	#8
gravy boat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Gilford year round, West Alton summers Posts: 596 Thanks: 601 Thanked 203 Times in 102 Posts	Braun Bay Hubby and I were sans girlies this weekend so we checked out Braun Bay yeserday (Sunday). Was much more mellow that in recent weekends -- a sure sign of the approaching Fall. There were several boats with dogs -- most were small in size (Terrier, Pugs, etc.). I saw at least two owners walk their dogs to shore to let them do their business. I guess it beats letting them go on your boat or in the water, but why wouldn't you leave the dogs home? We leave our dogs home and either stop home mid-day or pay for someone to walk them mid-day.

09-01-2009, 12:52 PM	#9
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Sorry GTO My apologies GTO.Did not see that you were refering to Patrician Shores.I don't know why I believe this but I'm pretty sure you are not allowed to be on the shore in Braun Bay. __________________ SIKSUKR

09-01-2009, 02:23 PM	#10
changeofplans Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Maui's GTO, I sent a PM to you, not sure if you got it. I was at Patrician a couple Saturdays ago with family and friends (4 boats total) the kids playing having a great time snorkling etc.. until one of the kids lost a snorkel and I handed my Maui's to someone on the boat so I could look for the snorkel in the chest deep water. Long story short my Maui's didn't make it into the boat and the bottom was too stirred up at the time to see them. The model is Kahuna 162-02 they are gun metal gray with light and dark gray kind of Camo frame. If these are the ones you found I love to swap some $$$ for them. Thanks

09-03-2009, 10:58 PM	#12
Misty Blue Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 658 Thanks: 121 Thanked 283 Times in 98 Posts	All ashore that's going ashore! The shore at the "rafting area" in Braun Bay is the Kona wildlife management area. It is state property and extends from the skimobile path on the north side of the bay to the first house on the western side of the bay over Goodhue hill almost to the neck road. I have hunted there for most of my life and have been supprised by how little impact the boaters have had on the area. Very little human waste. I did have to pick up some cans last week from the water. F....Jerks! There are enough critters there doing their buisness that I don't think Scruffy the pooch will cause a serious inpact on the ecology of Moultonborough. Live and let live, let nature be your teacher. Misty Blue

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09-04-2009, 07:57 AM	#14
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	AW has it right, I own some land along a river. I have more than a few issues with teenage party trash. I put up signs and they tear them down. The police always say, "no sign, no crime" Technically, criminal tresspassing in NH is knowingly being somewhere you should not be. It's the "knowingly" part that's hard. I've heard stories of people videotaping themselves telling tresspassers to leave, then they can't later say that they didn't know. Too much work for me. So seeing no signs in Braun Bay, I can go on shore until someone (a LEO or a landowner) tells me to leave. Then I can never return, because then I "know".