URGENT: Gilford boat launch ordinance

Slickcraft · 01-11-2010, 04:36 PM

Three of the signers are members of the Conservation Commission: Douglas Hill. Charles Coons and Lawrence Routhier.
http://www.gilfordnh.org/Public_Docu...Comm/conserve2

lawn psycho · 01-11-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Slickcraft

Three of the signers are members of the Conservation Commission: Douglas Hill. Charles Coons and Lawrence Routhier.
http://www.gilfordnh.org/Public_Docu...Comm/conserve2

Makes you wonder who on the forum is among the petitioners.....

ishoot308 · 01-11-2010, 08:08 PM

I guess I do not understand... The petition as written does not say public or private boat launch. Either way, the Gilford shoreline is what it is at this point. I don't think you could find 1500' shoreline in Gilford where new construction would even be available for this to even matter (I may be wrong). In any instance wouldn't Ames Farm be grandfathered anyway??....

Please tell me what I am missing which I am sure is a lot!

For the record, Ames Farm in my opinion has always been a wonderful place for non waterfront people, NH residents and out of state residents to launch boats for many many years and should be left that way. They are and always have been a great neighbor in the Gilford community (I think???).

They also have a great restaurant!! :-)

Dan

lawn psycho · 01-11-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

I guess I do not understand... The petition as written does not say public or private boat launch. Either way, the Gilford shoreline is what it is at this point. I don't think you could find 1500' shoreline in Gilford where new construction would even be available for this to even matter (I may be wrong). In any instance wouldn't Ames Farm be grandfathered anyway??....

Please tell me what I am missing which I am sure is a lot!

For the record, Ames Farm in my opinion has always been a wonderful place for non waterfront people, NH residents and out of state residents to launch boats for many many years and should be left that way. They are and always have been a great neighbor in the Gilford community (I think???).

They also have a great restaurant!! :-)

Dan

Specifically it would prevent Ames Farm from operating as they previously did with a public boat launch. Realize that just because a facility is not "free" it is still considered a public launch. It also prevents even public boat storage as well.

Notice the language about not only residential lots but those in their "natural state" could never be used for a public launch if the luanch was within 1500 ft. That's over a 1/4 mile (0.284 mile to be exact) away. I don't know many, if any places around the lake where there is a 1/4 mile distance to a residence.

There is one gotcha that I would stick up their tailpipes that I'm going to withhold so as not to tip them about what makes the ordinance not air-tight. It actually could work against the homeowners. He must not be a very good lawyer

ishoot308 · 01-11-2010, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lawn psycho

Specifically it would prevent Ames Farm from operating as they previously did with a public boat launch. Realize that just because a facility is not "free" it is still considered a public launch. It also prevents even public boat storage as well.

Notice the language about not only residential lots but those in their "natural state" could never be used for a public launch if the luanch was within 1500 ft. That's over a 1/4 mile (0.284 mile to be exact) away. I don't know many, if any places around the lake where there is a 1/4 mile distance to a residence.

There is one gotcha that I would stick up their tailpipes that I'm going to withhold so as not to tip them about what makes the ordinance not air-tight. It actually could work against the homeowners. He must not be a very good lawyer

Thanks L.P.

But what about West Alton Marina or Fay's Marina... which also allows anyone who pays the minor launch fee to anyone which certainly have abutters within 1500'... Are they going to be shutdown because of this or are they grandfathered???

Sorry...Still confused...

Da

lawn psycho · 01-11-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

Thanks L.P.

But what about West Alton Marina or Fay's Marina... which also allows anyone who pays the minor launch fee to anyone which certainly have abutters within 1500'... Are they going to be shutdown because of this or are they grandfathered???

Sorry...Still confused...

Da

No, even if this passes they could not shutdown WAM or Fay's. This is a local zoning ordinance proposal for Gilford only. Fay's is already a legally permitted use as a marina. What I don't know is which lots/business owners would now become non-comforming. That is a big deal when owning property.

Another issue with the ordinance is how it addresses launch ramps already in operation. There are some private ramp owners who may not be getting what they are bargaining for if this passes. I'll leave it at that.

fatlazyless · 01-11-2010, 08:56 PM

Maybe I am incorrect on this, but I think the voting in March will probably be an all day, 7am-7pm, private ballot as opposed to a show of hands at say 11:12pm. Probably, the more voters who vote makes it a better vote in that it is decided by a more democratic process.

Gilford is an SB-2 town.

Slickcraft · 01-11-2010, 09:21 PM

Zoning articles go on the secret ballot along with election of town officials, this is true even in SB2 towns.

If passed, all existing use public ramps would not be impacted unless they wanted to expand. Ames Farm is not an existing use public ramp as they have been shut down. Passage would keep them from reopening.

In fact passage would preclude any future public ramp as there is no shoreline that would meet the requirements.

lawn psycho · 01-11-2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

An informed voter is a smarter voter.

I think I've done my part

This is a case where the impacted parties are under-represented. Access to the lake is a big concern.

What I am still not sure of is would the ordinance comply with NH State law. There's a tangled web when you are dealing with shoreland regulations and gets out of my league quickly.

The public parking area which requires you get a permit by lottery and be a Gilford Town resident in Gilford would be a non-conforming use if this passes as I interpret that ordinance. Betcha the town fathers will love that when they realize they've been jilted

fatlazyless · 01-11-2010, 09:48 PM

.....hey lawn psycho.... I'm not a Gilford resident.... and I bet there's plenty Winnipesaukee trailer-boaters who appreciate your efforts with this.....

Probably one good reason why the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th largest NH lakes, Newfound, Squam, & Winnisquam all have State of NH boat launch facilities with double launching ramps, docks, toilets, and parking, while Winnipesaukee does not is because Ames Farm Inn was the defacto public ramp, along with all the various town and private marina ramps.

Did you know the NH Fish & Game Dept likes to set up at Ames Farm for fish species monitoring via the fisherman who return to the Ames dock with fresh caught fish.

evelyn · 01-12-2010, 05:58 AM

Try to fish swim or boat near the point north of Ames and you will meet the petitioner. He will be out there yelling at you.

lawn psycho · 01-12-2010, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by evelyn

Try to fish swim or boat near the point north of Ames and you will meet the petitioner. He will be out there yelling at you.

Good, let him yell at me. Then he'll find himself on the other side of the law. I know where I will be spending extra time this summer. I'm not kidding.

OCDACTIVE · 01-12-2010, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lawn psycho

Good, let him yell at me. Then he'll find himself on the other side of the law. I know where I will be spending extra time this summer. I'm not kidding.

L.P. you tell me when and I will meet you there.. Our own little "legal" protest!

Then you can join me in Braun Bay!

hazelnut · 01-12-2010, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

L.P. you tell me when and I will meet you there.. Our own little "legal" protest!

Then you can join me in Braun Bay!

Sounds fun, I'll bring the whole family.

My daughter can cry on cue and my kids like to scream and splash when they swim.

robmac · 01-12-2010, 08:35 AM

Count me in !

OCDACTIVE · 01-12-2010, 08:38 AM

I can pull my mufflers for the day if you like?

- I'm being sarcastic before anyone reads into this....

lawn psycho · 01-12-2010, 09:39 AM

Sounds like we're going to have a Forum Regatta. Should be a blast. Now we just have to wait for ice-out

lawn psycho · 01-12-2010, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

L.P. you tell me when and I will meet you there.. Our own little "legal" protest!

Then you can join me in Braun Bay!

Plan on it

Airwaves · 01-12-2010, 12:02 PM

Along these lines, NH Fish and Game is holding a hearing (Monday I beleive) and a public comment period (ending the 20th or 21st) for the readoption of rules regarding boat access facilities.

It does not look like any language has changed it just appears to be housekeeping, but just FYI.

I wonder if NHF&G would have something to say about the Gilford proposal?

gtagrip · 01-12-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

L.P. you tell me when and I will meet you there.. Our own little "legal" protest!

Then you can join me in Braun Bay!

I want in too!

Formula260SS · 01-12-2010, 02:37 PM

Does it make sense to have a "Snowmobile" Reggatta this winter, or maybe that's the BEST fishing spot on the lake for the derby........I think someone told me that's where all the big lakers are

lawn psycho · 01-12-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Formula260SS

Does it make sense to have a "Snowmobile" Reggatta this winter, or maybe that's the BEST fishing spot on the lake for the derby........I think someone told me that's where all the big lakers are

I like the way you think

Maybe I should buy an old porti-pottie and convert to a bob house.

BroadHopper · 01-12-2010, 03:47 PM

maybe we can return the old 'ice jalopies' to Winnipesaukee. Right off this point will be a great place. plenty of parking off the Ames Farm property!

'VROOM VROOM!'

DEJ · 01-12-2010, 04:00 PM

Since he is retired he is most likely in a warmer climate.

lawn psycho · 01-12-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DEJ

Since he is retired he is most likely in a warmer climate.

Ah, but you see when he gets the ire of the neighbors because he decided to be a bully and people are protesting he'll have to deal with it from both ends.

And you can bet that anything done in that area will make the rounds of the rumor mill quickly regardless of where he may or may not be.

If we ban together we can literally drive the man insane if he's truly been known to yell at people on the lake.

01-11-2010, 08:56 PM	#7
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,753 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,010 Times in 736 Posts	Maybe I am incorrect on this, but I think the voting in March will probably be an all day, 7am-7pm, private ballot as opposed to a show of hands at say 11:12pm. Probably, the more voters who vote makes it a better vote in that it is decided by a more democratic process. Gilford is an SB-2 town. __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

01-11-2010, 09:48 PM	#10
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,753 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,010 Times in 736 Posts	.....hey lawn psycho.... I'm not a Gilford resident.... and I bet there's plenty Winnipesaukee trailer-boaters who appreciate your efforts with this..... Probably one good reason why the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th largest NH lakes, Newfound, Squam, & Winnisquam all have State of NH boat launch facilities with double launching ramps, docks, toilets, and parking, while Winnipesaukee does not is because Ames Farm Inn was the defacto public ramp, along with all the various town and private marina ramps. Did you know the NH Fish & Game Dept likes to set up at Ames Farm for fish species monitoring via the fisherman who return to the Ames dock with fresh caught fish. __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

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OCDACTIVE Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fort Myers FL / Moultonboro Posts: 1,045 Thanks: 444 Thanked 574 Times in 178 Posts	I can pull my mufflers for the day if you like? - I'm being sarcastic before anyone reads into this.... __________________ Have you had your Vessel Inspected Yet? Last edited by OCDACTIVE; 01-12-2010 at 09:08 AM.

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lawn psycho Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: On the move... Posts: 987 Thanks: 113 Thanked 248 Times in 133 Posts	Fire-up up the barby..... Sounds like we're going to have a Forum Regatta. Should be a blast. Now we just have to wait for ice-out Last edited by lawn psycho; 01-12-2010 at 03:09 PM. Reason: I must have studdard while typing :)

01-12-2010, 12:02 PM	#19
Airwaves Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: I'm right here! Posts: 1,153 Thanks: 9 Thanked 102 Times in 37 Posts	Re-adoption of NHF&G rules Along these lines, NH Fish and Game is holding a hearing (Monday I beleive) and a public comment period (ending the 20th or 21st) for the readoption of rules regarding boat access facilities. It does not look like any language has changed it just appears to be housekeeping, but just FYI. I wonder if NHF&G would have something to say about the Gilford proposal?

01-11-2010, 04:36 PM	#1
Slickcraft Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Welch Island and The Taylor Community Posts: 3,303 Thanks: 1,223 Thanked 2,093 Times in 956 Posts	Three of the signers are members of the Conservation Commission: Douglas Hill. Charles Coons and Lawrence Routhier. http://www.gilfordnh.org/Public_Docu...Comm/conserve2

01-11-2010, 08:08 PM	#3
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 6,250 Thanks: 2,391 Thanked 5,283 Times in 2,055 Posts	I guess I do not understand... The petition as written does not say public or private boat launch. Either way, the Gilford shoreline is what it is at this point. I don't think you could find 1500' shoreline in Gilford where new construction would even be available for this to even matter (I may be wrong). In any instance wouldn't Ames Farm be grandfathered anyway??.... Please tell me what I am missing which I am sure is a lot! For the record, Ames Farm in my opinion has always been a wonderful place for non waterfront people, NH residents and out of state residents to launch boats for many many years and should be left that way. They are and always have been a great neighbor in the Gilford community (I think???). They also have a great restaurant!! :-) Dan

01-11-2010, 09:21 PM	#8
Slickcraft Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Welch Island and The Taylor Community Posts: 3,303 Thanks: 1,223 Thanked 2,093 Times in 956 Posts	Zoning articles go on the secret ballot along with election of town officials, this is true even in SB2 towns. If passed, all existing use public ramps would not be impacted unless they wanted to expand. Ames Farm is not an existing use public ramp as they have been shut down. Passage would keep them from reopening. In fact passage would preclude any future public ramp as there is no shoreline that would meet the requirements.

01-12-2010, 05:58 AM	#11
evelyn Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Try to fish swim or boat near the point north of Ames and you will meet the petitioner. He will be out there yelling at you.

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Formula260SS Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NH Posts: 384 Thanks: 11 Thanked 76 Times in 51 Posts	Winter Protest Does it make sense to have a "Snowmobile" Reggatta this winter, or maybe that's the BEST fishing spot on the lake for the derby........I think someone told me that's where all the big lakers are

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BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,576 Thanks: 3,214 Thanked 1,103 Times in 794 Posts	Ice Racing maybe we can return the old 'ice jalopies' to Winnipesaukee. Right off this point will be a great place. plenty of parking off the Ames Farm property! 'VROOM VROOM!' __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

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DEJ Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 553 Thanks: 526 Thanked 314 Times in 155 Posts	Since he is retired he is most likely in a warmer climate.