Windmills along the lake

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Rose is all done trying to make her point here.
Rose is out of here now
Rose knows that she said she is out of here BUT
Rose said she’s out of the debate and she means it this time

Well Rusty, if you were being questioned, and your posts were being parsed and quoted out of context, would you return to the thread to try to clear the air?

For me, it is an easy answer...I would.

[jrc]

Come on, I disagree with AGW, and Rose believes in it, but this piling on is just silly.

Rose is teaching about the greenhouse effect, a well known, non-controversial description of how the sun warms the whole earth in a manner similair to how the sun warms a greenhouse.

No one questions the effect, the disagreements come when you discuss changes to the effect and causes of the changes.

I will not re-enter the AGW discussion but this vendetta against Rose is just wrong. She clarified her comments, let it drop.

[SIKSUKR]

Agreed. As a member that has made his opposite views clear, I welcome Rose and anybody else's differing opinions. Unlike other members, I welcome debate and not being told all the answers are in. That in my mind is not up for debate.

[Rusty]

IMHO a good teacher should have knowledge on the subject matter, good communication skills (including listening), and patience.
A good teacher doesn’t take on a debate and then throw the towel in four times because someone has different views on the subject.

[NoBozo]

The Global Warming Spy Satellite riding on a NASA Rocket didn't make it to orbit. SNAFU. I wonder what that's all about..??

Not trying to make trouble...just trying to encourage thought.. NB

Time Sensitive Link:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...03-04-07-48-04

[trfour]

And Yes!... Not so easy for Rocket Science either... Up's and downs abound here on Earth. The lessens learned FROM OUR GREAT Teachers 'Shore helps.
The final word however comes from above us all. Just keep that in mind as well.

We try to, and we live and learn from our mistakes. Look above and we may get another shake.
Terry
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[SAMIAM]

Al Gore's 1/2 a billion $$ satellite now sleeps with the fishes !

[NoBozo]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Al Gore's 1/2 a billion $$ satellite now sleeps with the fishes !

Sam that was Excellent. There hasn't been much to smile about lately but that made me laugh out loud. NB

[Rose]

This BS has just made it clear that my time here is a waste. Some of you are willing to stop and think and listen (as I was of jrc's opinion and he of mine, and I appreciate that), but others are just mindless fools who don't want to think for themselves and want to maintain the status quo because it suits their lives as they currently experience them. Too bad you're screwing over your progeny. Congratulations. You make the country weaker by not educating yourselves and thus thinking for yourselves.

[Jonas Pilot]

Never Argue With A Fool – They Will Drag You Down To Their Level, Then Beat You With Experience!

[NoBozo]

ROSE: We can only HOPE.......................ROSE..C'mon..lighten up. Life is short and there are issues that each of us are passionate about but you can't let it OBSESS you.. NB

[NoRegrets]

Don't go Rose or others. Even though our votes may cancel each other the debate is lost when personal snipes get to you.

I am not a fan of the Global Climate game. I feel it is a program engineered by elitest politicians for their own personal financial gain. It also conviently diverts focused attention on the goings on in government.

I believe the real issue is concentrated pollution that is created by the numbers of people in the world.

[MAXUM]

The whole climate change debate has gone of for years, I for one think the whole premise that ANY of it is man made is a bunch of garbage. It's a whipped up fantasy to create a "crisis" for the government to "solve" or in more exact terms waste more tax payers dollars to force unwanted regulation down our collective throats to lock in more money for them to further waste. It's a vicious cycle. Point being, since the last ice age the plant has been warming up, looking back in history before the ice age the planet was a much warmer place than it is today. Why should we not expect it to return to that state naturally? Stupid.

Now to the point of renewable and alternative energy, sure it's a great idea and in theory makes sense. In reality it has a LONG way to go before it can readily compete with cheaper and more dependable fossil fuels. Does that mean completely abandoning further exploration of renewables? Of course not, but to suggest the idea pushing these very expensive and not as efficient solutions makes little to no sense when the country is going broke. If the private sector wants to develop this stuff, great, let the feds give companies massive tax incentives to do so and see where science takes it. I'm sure that in time solutions will come about that can readily compete with what we have today, but no that's not good enough. The whacko tree hugging liberals figure that they can, with the stroke of a pen they can make laws that will advance this process come hell or high water, not even taking under consideration what that means to the average Joe who ends up footing the bill.

[SAMIAM]

Couldn't have said it better,Maxum........many of us disagree on this issue and we've all made a "pokes" at each other but for Rose to call people mindless fools simply because they don't agree with her brings respectful debate to a very low place.I hope Rose keeps her word and fades into the (smoggy from all of our automobiles) sunset.

[ApS]

Well Rusty, if you were being questioned, and your posts were being parsed and quoted out of context, would you return to the thread to try to clear the air?

The entire paragraph was awkward and unwieldy it's doubtful anyone actually understood any of it. Now that entire paragraph got deleted, so how 'bout skipping the politics of AGW and attempt to return to the subject of this thread?

(Which was Windmills along the lake).

[Woodsy]

I dont understand why balance is soo hard to achieve?? The US economy REQUIRES cheap oil to function... and the lack of cheap oil will slow or stop any economic recovery. I predict a VERY quiet summer on the lake! We need to look at ALL ALTERNATIVES!

Like it or not $5+ per gallon gas IS coming. Its just a question of when. Right now its a spike due to Middle East unrest. When it comes back to "reality" the price of gas will be right around $3.20/gal... and the sheep will all say "hey at least its not $4.50". When it spikes at $5, and returns to $4 the sheep will all say "hey at least its not $5". etc etc etc Gas will keep on climbing and climbing. Its NOT going to stop... its simple supply and demand. As the economies of China & India (2 of the worlds most populous nations) continue to grow at exponential rates, the production of oil remains constant, the supply of oil dwindles.... its a recipe for economic disaster!!

We as Americans need to embrace alternative energy sources. Use the economies of scale to make it happen cheaply! I am all for windmills on mountain tops, every roof should have solar panels, geothermal heating should be required on new construction (where feasible) and the big no-no word... NUCLEAR! We need to invest in our mass transit infrastructure. Hi-speed rail, intercity bus & rail lines etc.. get people out of thier cars and out of airplanes! People forget that at the start of WWII, America had the BEST public transportation system in the world! Trolleys, buses and trains! It will be EXPONENTIALLY cheaper to invest now in public transportation, that it will be when gas is $7/gal and electricity is $.50/KWH (right now its about $.16/KWH).

Embracing and encouraging alternative energy sources also helps reduce greenhouse gases and the global warming debate. Not for nothing but if you think that 6,904,267,367 people (1+ Billion in CHINA alone) voraciously consuming natural resources and burning fossil fuels doesn't have a negative effect on the global climate and the global economy, then you are retarded!

Woodsy

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

........... negative effect on the global climate and the global economy, then you are retarded!

Woodsy

I agreed with a couple of things you said, disagreed with a couple, was going to respond then you ended as most AGW believers do. AGW really has become a cult and I'm amazed that so called "critical thinkers" behave like this. Because of this cap and trade and CO2 credit schemes need to be stopped. Unbridled environmentalism do-gooders are driving jobs away and need to be reeled in. Enough is enough.

[NoBozo]

FWIW: We haven't built an Oil Refinery OR a Nuclear Power Plant in over 30 years. This is because the "Environmentalists" blocked any efforts to do so. Now those same people are whining because they don't have cheap gas for their Volvos and cheap power for their 60" plazma TVs. Go figure. NB

[Woodsy]

ITD...

I am not as radical a AGW believer as you might think and I am certainly no tree hugger. But I try to apply some sense and logic to things. 7 BILLION people all consuming natural resources, and the majority of those people live in countries that have little or no environmental rules is going to have an effect on the global environment, and most certainly an effect on the global economy. I accept that I am going to pay higher and higher energy costs. I also know that if we start to effect a shift in our thinking now we can mitigate the damage to our economy. Without low cost energy an enconomy cannot thrive.

I really dont care if people want to debate the earth was warm once, and is warming naturally again... the reality is that it is warming. Is it doom and gloom for humans? Naa... we can adapt. Some species wont and will become extinct. However, we as species are consuming the earths natural resources at an ALARMING rate. This consumption will cause the failures of many economies, our own included if we don't find some energy balance!

For example... all of the AGW types tout their electric cars... yet the Prius has a HUGE carbon footprint. and where is all the electricity thats needed to power the new Chevy Volt?? I havent heard of a new powerplant being built? The national grid is outdated and teetering on collapse without some serious improvements! The funny thing is these same types dont want the Power Line project thats supposed to come down from quebec! LOL!

Woodsy

[SIKSUKR]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

, then you are retarded!

Woodsy

Agree with most of your post Woodsy and then you solidify mine by not only offending people that disagree but people with special needs. This is exactly what I've been talking about. The intolerance is incredible. I think its obvious who the reasonable thinkers are.

[SIKSUKR]

Originally Posted by Rose

This BS has just made it clear that my time here is a waste. Some of you are willing to stop and think and listen (as I was of jrc's opinion and he of mine, and I appreciate that), but others are just mindless fools who don't want to think for themselves and want to maintain the status quo because it suits their lives as they currently experience them. Too bad you're screwing over your progeny. Congratulations. You make the country weaker by not educating yourselves and thus thinking for yourselves.

I take that back. I was hoping to offer an olive branch and the benefit of the doubt but looks like I was right on this case too. If you don't agree with me then your a mindless fool who can't think for themself? The elitism on the gw side is astounding. The true colors come out when questioned at all.