Health Insurance

[The Real BigGuy]

Obama care is sustainable if you didn’t have an administration and Republican Party doing everything in their power to insure it fails. If they have a better option, put in on the table or get the f out of the way!


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[ITD]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Obama care is sustainable if you didn’t have an administration and Republican Party doing everything in their power to insure it fails. If they have a better option, put in on the table or get the f out of the way!


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It's sustainable if the premiums go up $5k every year, who can afford that?

[Flylady]

Drug companies and insurance companies spend millions in supporting the campaigns of senators and congress just to make sure the politicians are beholding to them. Why do you think at the same time Obama care was put into place the government included an anti compete claus in drug cost...meaning that the government could not go out and shop for best pricing meds....

The ACA is broken because after passed the republican senate refused to maintain the plan as intended. They cut funding and created uncertainty in the insurance market. As I have read the original ACA plan was expected to stabilize in 5 years and cost of premium would level off as more people were i the plans. So now with the gutting of the plan we are all let holding a larger bag because the Senate and Congress lied. After 7 years of attacking the ACA and disabling it along the way they had absolutely nothing to offer.

But wait there is more......remember the social security you and your employer paid for all those years you worked......they plan on reducing your "entitlement" on this as well. They just can not keep their hands off of our money.

[tis]

I agree. Lobbyists are the worst thing that ever happened to this country. The politicians let them make most of their decisions for them.

[ApS]

Lobbyists are deep in The Swamp.

Originally Posted by Flylady

Drug companies and insurance companies spend millions in supporting the campaigns of senators and congress just to make sure the politicians are beholding to them. Why do you think at the same time Obama care was put into place the government included an anti compete claus in drug cost...meaning that the government could not go out and shop for best pricing meds....The ACA is broken because after passed the republican senate refused to maintain the plan as intended. They cut funding and created uncertainty in the insurance market. As I have read the original ACA plan was expected to stabilize in 5 years and cost of premium would level off as more people were i the plans. So now with the gutting of the plan we are all let holding a larger bag because the Senate and Congress lied. After 7 years of attacking the ACA and disabling it along the way they had absolutely nothing to offer. But wait there is more......remember the social security you and your employer paid for all those years you worked......they plan on reducing your "entitlement" on this as well. They just can not keep their hands off of our money.

Yesterday, I received a mailing from the respected "Judicial Watch". Their latest:

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today announced it received two production of documents, 77 pages and 108 pages, from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) revealing the Obama IRS coordinated with the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Obama White House Behavioral Sciences “Team” in a $5 million program to pressure Americans to sign up for Obamacare. The documents also contain inter-agency agreements between the IRS and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) devised to circumvent potential legal prohibitions on unauthorized disclosure or inspection of taxpayer information collected by the IRS. The documents were produced under court order in an April 2017 Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit against the IRS and HHS filed after agencies failed to respond to November 2016 FOIA requests
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...gal-questions/

[Seaplane Pilot]

The Democrats were responsible for this disaster, and shoved it firmly down the throats of he American citizens. At the same time, they exempted themselves. If it was so great, why didn’t they take it for themselves?

Now, since it is a complete failure and disaster, it’s all the fault of the Republicans! Typical Democratic finger pointing. Take no responsibility for your actions. What a joke!

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

The Democrats were responsible for this disaster, and shoved it firmly down the throats of he American citizens. At the same time, they exempted themselves. If it was so great, why didn’t they take it for themselves?

Now, since it is a complete failure and disaster, it’s all the fault of the Republicans! Typical Democratic finger pointing. Take no responsibility for your actions. What a joke!

It would be funny if it weren't so damn disastrous.

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

The Democrats were responsible for this disaster, and shoved it firmly down the throats of he American citizens. At the same time, they exempted themselves. If it was so great, why didn’t they take it for themselves?

Now, since it is a complete failure and disaster, it’s all the fault of the Republicans! Typical Democratic finger pointing. Take no responsibility for your actions. What a joke!

And the cycle continues as Republicans do exactly what they criticized Democracts for, while Democrats follow in Republican footsteps. Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Seems a fitting definition on our current state of affairs...

[Garcia]

Judicial Watch, and so many others like it, are a huge part of the problem with the ACA and the state of affairs in general. They present a very biased point of view under a self proclaimed heading of being non partisan. It is so easy today to surround ourselves with like minded viewpoints and to only hear things that support things we want to be true. My suggestion? Go out of your way to tune in to other, legitimate sources of information. If you read the New York Times or Washington Post, then be sure to see what the Wall Street Journal has to say. Are you a Fox News watcher? Then don’t forget to flip over to CNN.

What’s my refuge and what gives me hope for the future? Heading to the lake where I enter a different world where optimism overflows. If I could get our Congress to come visit me on the island for a weekend they would relax and see the way things can be and stop the incessant bickering and finger pointing that is the current state of affairs!

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Garcia

Judicial Watch, and so many others like it, are a huge part of the problem with the ACA and the state of affairs in general. They present a very biased point of view under a self proclaimed heading of being non partisan. It is so easy today to surround ourselves with like minded viewpoints and to only hear things that support things we want to be true. My suggestion? Go out of your way to tune in to other, legitimate sources of information. If you read the New York Times or Washington Post, then be sure to see what the Wall Street Journal has to say. Are you a Fox News watcher? Then donÂ’t forget to flip over to CNN.

WhatÂ’s my refuge and what gives me hope for the future? Heading to the lake where I enter a different world where optimism overflows. If I could get our Congress to come visit me on the island for a weekend they would relax and see the way things can be and stop the incessant bickering and finger pointing that is the current state of affairs!

CNN a legitimate news source?

CNN on Friday corrected an erroneous report that Donald Trump Jr. had received advance notice from the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks about a trove of hacked documents that it planned to release during last yearÂ’s presidential campaign.

This is just the latest in a long line of false, misleading, or otherwise made up stores pushed and or published by not only CNN but the rest of the main stream media so why in the world would I bother to take anything they say is factual? Unfortunately it's damn near impossible to get straight up hard news reporting free of any spin which makes it very difficult for us, the voting public, to keep an eye on the very people we elect into office.

[Doobs41378]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

CNN a legitimate news source?



CNN on Friday corrected an erroneous report that Donald Trump Jr. had received advance notice from the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks about a trove of hacked documents that it planned to release during last yearÂ’s presidential campaign.



This is just the latest in a long line of false, misleading, or otherwise made up stores pushed and or published by not only CNN but the rest of the main stream media so why in the world would I bother to take anything they say is factual? Unfortunately it's damn near impossible to get straight up hard news reporting free of any spin which makes it very difficult for us, the voting public, to keep an eye on the very people we elect into office.

Just ask Brian Ross.


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[Garcia]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

CNN a legitimate news source?

CNN on Friday corrected an erroneous report that Donald Trump Jr. had received advance notice from the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks about a trove of hacked documents that it planned to release during last yearÂ’s presidential campaign.

This is just the latest in a long line of false, misleading, or otherwise made up stores pushed and or published by not only CNN but the rest of the main stream media so why in the world would I bother to take anything they say is factual? Unfortunately it's damn near impossible to get straight up hard news reporting free of any spin which makes it very difficult for us, the voting public, to keep an eye on the very people we elect into office.

Yes, I do believe CNN is a legitimate news source staffed by people who worry too much about breaking a story rather than slowing down and making sure it is accurate - common among all journalists. Mistakes are made and legitimate news sources take appropriate actions, hold people accountable, and make corrections which is what both ABC and CNN did. Do I think they are free of spin? No, which goes back to my earlier point of getting news from multiple sources all of whom approach news with their own biases and spin. I keep looking but haven't found that single source that simply presents hard news. How can there be such a source when simply deciding what is worth reporting and what isn't is putting spin on the news...

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Garcia

Yes, I do believe CNN is a legitimate news source staffed by people who worry too much about breaking a story rather than slowing down and making sure it is accurate - common among all journalists. Mistakes are made and legitimate news sources take appropriate actions, hold people accountable, and make corrections which is what both ABC and CNN did. Do I think they are free of spin? No, which goes back to my earlier point of getting news from multiple sources all of whom approach news with their own biases and spin. I keep looking but haven't found that single source that simply presents hard news. How can there be such a source when simply deciding what is worth reporting and what isn't is putting spin on the news...

Can I interest you in a bridge?

[Major]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Can I interest you in a bridge?

CNN is only concerned about destroying Trump. CNN is broadcast in our gym, so I watch it most mornings. Every second of every day of every week is dedicated to tearing him down. Take last Saturday morning, for example. After his great speech on Friday night, I laughed out loud when I read the breaking news tagline -- Trump lied about black homeownership in America. Of all the things said by Trump during that great speech, CNN zeros in on a trivial, who cares, throwaway statement. I would respect the networks more if they just came out and said that they are trying to impeach Trump. It is clearly what they are trying to do.

[Garcia]

[QUOTE=Major;288578]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Can I interest you in a bridge? [/QUOTE

CNN is only concerned about destroying Trump. CNN is broadcast in our gym, so I watch it most mornings. Every second of every day of every week is dedicated to tearing him down. Take last Saturday morning, for example. After his great speech on Friday night, I laughed out loud when I read the breaking news tagline -- Trump lied about black homeownership in America. Of all the things said by Trump during that great speech, CNN zeros in on a trivial, who cares, throwaway statement. I would respect the networks more if they just came out and said that they are trying to impeach Trump. It is clearly what they are trying to do.

There is some truth in this, just like there is truth in Fox News doing everything in its power to destroy Democrats including President Obama and the Clintons (and no, I am not a fan of HRC - far from it!). Which is why, for me, I want to see the same news story presented by sources with markedly different spin on the same event. Fox News is a legitimate news source - with its own biases and spin built in, but I would no more get all my news solely from them than I would CNN.

[Biggd]

This thread really went off the rails! I'm sure I contributed to it.

[Flylady]

I too find that tuning into the opposing view networks helps me understand what the opposing views are seeing and how they interpret the information. Funny how some (including our President) are quick to jump on media mistakes even though quick apologies and corrections were made. However the same people are so quick to judge have no problem listening to the misinformation and lies coming from the President. He has yet to step back or apologize for any of the bad information he spreads.

In listening to Fox news the other night I found they spent a lot of air time on the Clinton e-mails......what I really do not understand is why do so many people care about a person who has not held a public position in almost 6 years? Going back 7 or 8 years will accomplish what? How will that make our and our children's lives better in the future?

[Biggd]

My dad always said, "today is the first day of the rest of your life". Try and be better starting today.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Flylady

I too find that tuning into the opposing view networks helps me understand what the opposing views are seeing and how they interpret the information. Funny how some (including our President) are quick to jump on media mistakes even though quick apologies and corrections were made. However the same people are so quick to judge have no problem listening to the misinformation and lies coming from the President. He has yet to step back or apologize for any of the bad information he spreads.

In listening to Fox news the other night I found they spent a lot of air time on the Clinton e-mails......what I really do not understand is why do so many people care about a person who has not held a public position in almost 6 years? Going back 7 or 8 years will accomplish what? How will that make our and our children's lives better in the future?

The reason is because of the Washington swamp’s double standard of justice for career, criminal, politicians. Many in gov’t conspired to make sure that not only, HRC was not penalized for her crimes, but for assuring that she become president...which failed miserably. It’s all coming out how the deep state did it’s dirty work.
Are you also happy that government perverts that committed abuse of women through the years also used TAXPAYER’S money to pay them to be quiet? (to the tune of 17 million)
Yes, this thread got derailed but some things just cannot go unchallenged.

[Major]

Originally Posted by Biggd

This thread really went off the rails! I'm sure I contributed to it.

You and me both! Sorry Don!

[Flylady]

Not that I follow all of the Washington BS...but I guess I must have missed the crimes that HRC was charged with or convicted of......no different that the current President...not charged or convicted so in my eyes both are on the same page.

As for the current "Me Too" movement its about time......and the good ole boys in the House and Congress using taxpayers money to keep victims silent is a disgrace to every woman in this country....and each of them who paid for silence should be relieved of their seat.

So how will focusing on investigating past politicians help our current and future economic and national welfare?

[noreast]

Someone mentioned lobbyist's, BINGO, if either party had any interest at all in getting the money out of politics they'd win in a landslide. Not the north Korean land slide like Trump said he won by, but a real one. The only real job of an elected official now is to vote for there donors. If the money were pouring into the republicans to be pro choice, Roy Moore would come out today and say God told him that the population was out of control and the dummies down south would fall in line. We're to dumb to survive I fear.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by swnoel

Who's refusing it... the VA?

When I had an eye infection that needed regular care, I thought it best to make my very-first connection to coordinate with VA hospitals for the long drive to NH.

In 2013, their reply disclosed only two conditions under which the VA would handle an infirmity:

1) Rape
2) Stationed in Afghanistan or Iraq



More.

Originally Posted by Flylady

Not that I follow all of the Washington BS...but I guess I must have missed the crimes that HRC was charged with or convicted of......no different that the current President...not charged or convicted so in my eyes both are on the same page. As for the current "Me Too" movement its about time......and the good ole boys in the House and Congress using taxpayers money to keep victims silent is a disgrace to every woman in this country....and each of them who paid for silence should be relieved of their seat.

The "Washington BS" was asphyxiated this past summer, when it was revealed that the FBI had demoted leading agents who both exonerated HRC and attempted a DJT coup. IF there were any LSM news of last summer's dismissals, they didn't appear until this month!

Strzok and Page

Originally Posted by Flylady

So how will focusing on investigating past politicians help our current and future economic and national welfare?

Past politicians have "slush funds" masquerading as "Foundations". This corruption is fading from the news, but only since last year's election.

Pity the LIV.

[fatlazyless]

Starting in 2018, after the G.O.P. Tax Cut & Reform Bill is passed, people in the United States who attend an exercise class will get hit with a five dollar/hour exercise tax because they are wasting their valuable energy according to Donald Trump.

Trump believes the human body is like a battery, with a finite amount of energy, which exercise only depletes. So he doesn't work out.

[noreast]

Fattest president in 100 years? they say he's 236, looks at least 270 to me. He has one of those guts that's never had a muscle at any point.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Starting in 2018, after the G.O.P. Tax Cut & Reform Bill is passed, people in the United States who attend an exercise class will get hit with a five dollar/hour exercise tax because they are wasting their valuable energy according to Donald Trump.

Trump believes the human body is like a battery, with a finite amount of energy, which exercise only depletes. So he doesn't work out.

Don't believe everything you hear on Fox News.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by ApS

The "Washington BS" was asphyxiated this past summer, when it was revealed that the FBI had demoted leading agents who both exonerated HRC and attempted a DJT coup. IF there were any LSM news of last summer's dismissals, they didn't appear until this month!

Strzok and Page

Past politicians have "slush funds" masquerading as "Foundations". This corruption is fading from the news, but only since last year's election.

Pity the LIV.

(Low Information Voter).

Strzok was escorted from the FBI building in June, and has since lost his security clearance, and by August was fired from the FBI. His pension is in peril, and a GoFundMe effort has raised ½-million dollars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EfX...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xC5hBQtjks

Strzok's FBI girl friend/confidant, Lisa Page, also has been discredited, and has retired.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Flylady

Not that I follow all of the Washington BS...but I guess I must have missed the crimes that HRC was charged with or convicted of......no different that the current President...not charged or convicted so in my eyes both are on the same page.
As for the current "Me Too" movement its about time......and the good ole boys in the House and Congress using taxpayers money to keep victims silent is a disgrace to every woman in this country....and each of them who paid for silence should be relieved of their seat. So how will focusing on investigating past politicians help our current and future economic and national welfare?

$750,000 says, "Not so fast"...

Lisa Bloom

[Flylady]

I always like to look at the background of writers and bloggers that present articles list the one you just referenced. As always..follow the money trail..big business energy consultant.....

Latest Articles from David Blackmon | OilPrice.com
https://oilprice.com/contributors/David-Blackmon
David Blackmon is an independent energy analyst/consultant based in Mansfield, TX. David has enjoyed a 38-year career in the oil and gas industry, the last 25 years of which have been spend in the public policy arena, managing regulatory and legislative issues for various companies, including Burlington Resources, ...

Not an independent perspective in my opinion.

[noreast]

Me too, I'd prefer to get my news from someone that I can't figure out which side there on, preferably not on either side, Actual reporting.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Flylady

I always like to look at the background of writers and bloggers that present articles list the one you just referenced. As always..follow the money trail..big business energy consultant.....Latest Articles from David Blackmon | OilPrice.com
https://oilprice.com/contributors/David-Blackmon
David Blackmon is an independent energy analyst/consultant based in Mansfield, TX. David has enjoyed a 38-year career in the oil and gas industry, the last 25 years of which have been spend in the public policy arena, managing regulatory and legislative issues for various companies, including Burlington Resources, ... Not an independent perspective in my opinion.

David Blackman's data indistinguishable from the Capital's largest daily newspaper:

The Hill

[noreast]

That's not the point, I believe he was correct in that article. The point is that he never says when his boys are wrong or the other guys are right so he has no credibility. It's not news, one side of an issue is never the whole story.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Flylady

Not that I follow all of the Washington BS...but I guess I must have missed the crimes that HRC was accused or charged of

Oh....it’s coming, it’s coming...stay tuned.

[noreast]

I have a feeling Trump and his extended family will make it behind bars before she does. As I've said before they both belong in there. In fact I predicted Donald would get there as soon as he announced he was running. Luckily for him the Russian banks didn't shut him off when the US banks did. That probably saved his ass from prison years ago. There regulations aren't quite as strict on organized bank fraud and laundering as ours. At least for now anyway.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by noreast

I have a feeling Trump and his extended family will make it behind bars before she does. As I've said before they both belong in there. In fact I predicted Donald would get there as soon as he announced he was running. Luckily for him the Russian banks didn't shut him off when the US banks did. That probably saved his ass from prison years ago. There regulations aren't quite as strict on organized bank fraud and laundering as ours. At least for now anyway.

Uhh...no

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Can I interest you in a bridge?

And bring cars to the island? Never! Besides, trolls live under bridges - and in our world today we don't need any more of them!