The Dive?

[Sinclair]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Location definitely matters, but what about style? The other vessels noted are classic, whereas this is a box. Maybe that's one of my prejudices...

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Agreed. It seems discordant with the lake that way.

[LIforrelaxin]

Interesting thread... and interesting business venture.

First I wish the business the best, and hope the kind find away to make it work.

If they can find a place to operate while tied to shore I am sure they will do fine. If they can't then they will have a very short season....

[tis]

I don't know, think. I like the classic look too but maybe it's like houses. Some people like modern house styles and some like colonial etc.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by tis

I don't know, think. I like the classic look too but maybe it's like houses. Some people like modern house styles and some like colonial etc.

I think this style speaks to the younger millennial crowd. Young singles with disposable cash.


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[tis]

You are probably right, Joey.

[Descant]

The advertised size at 2400 sq ft is huge, even of you figure the size of the first deck at 1200 sq ft. Why has nobody on this Forum reported seeing such a vessel under construction, or where it is moored? Even if it is something modular, the components need to be launched and assembled someplace, presumably some place like a marina or marine railway. And it needs a homeport. Why don't we have reported rumors of where it will be homeported? Until I see some good rumors posted, I don't believe just a FB page.
"Like manure, a rumor is no good if you don't spread it."

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Descant

The advertised size at 2400 sq ft is huge, even of you figure the size of the first deck at 1200 sq ft. Why has nobody on this Forum reported seeing such a vessel under construction, or where it is moored? Even if it is something modular, the components need to be launched and assembled someplace, presumably some place like a marina or marine railway. And it needs a homeport. Why don't we have reported rumors of where it will be homeported? Until I see some good rumors posted, I don't believe just a FB page.

"Like manure, a rumor is no good if you don't spread it."

According to Facebook their are sneak peek photos on Instagram. However I do not have an account. Maybe some here can check and post photos.


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[Descant]

There are pictures of the barge under construction on the Dive website. No indication of where and I can't tell from the pix. www.thedive-NH.com

[Descant]

I emailed and got a prompt reply. A good sign. They are planning to be in operation late May, early June. Price structure for charters and private parties has not been set yet. The upper deck alone will hold 80 people. They said they would come to my location in Gilford with no transit charge, so I guess they're not far away. I wonder if you could rent one deck for a private party and the other deck open to the public as they do on the Mount? Not clear if they do cruises or just come to your (or other) location for a party.

Time for a Forum Fest 2018?

[Hillcountry]

It appears that this thing is real...much to my amazement. I wonder what the draft is? I think the Mount is about 9’

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

It appears that this thing is real...much to my amazement. I wonder what the draft is? I think the Mount is about 9’

• The photographs show barge-like "post-anchors" at the corners: This makes sense, as "business" would be conducted in shallow water—and these would minimize the effects of wind direction and velocity.

• The final color shouldn't be gray, as the lake too-frequently has conditions of fog or haze.

• Using those four posts for stability, it wouldn't be technically "anchored" (any more than dock-barges are anchored) and could be "parked" in one place overnight—and all summer.

[JADAQ]

Originally Posted by Descant

There are pictures of the barge under construction on the Dive website. No indication of where and I can't tell from the pix. www.thedive-NH.com

Being built in the Chanel at West Alton marina

[Patiently Watching]

I'm shocked this will be able to get necessary permits from the state and possibly towns. The Winni Bell does charters only, including the booze cruises and does not sell to the public other than those guests.
Looks like they have a long way to go...

[Biggd]

How did illegal immigration and politics come into this thread? Some people will just go through any means to push their agenda.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Biggd

How did illegal immigration a politics come into this thread? Some people will just go through any means to push their agenda.

The segue was obvious to me: Floating restaurant begets hiking complaint, hiking complaint begets illegal immigration rant. Obvious, no?

Anyway, my thoughts:

I doubt someone would go to the trouble of building this if they were unable to get permits to use it as intended.

It's not my scene, but I think it's pretty neat and I hope it's successful. It's a clever way to open a boat-to restaurant without needing to buy expensive real estate. For those that are concerned about the environmental impact should consider how this thing will NOT require more than a dock's width of waterfront property and won't require a paved parking lot right next to the lake.

Draft will be extremely shallow. There's just not that much mass:surface area there and it likely has an utterly flat hull.

It will blend nicely with the uglier homes on the lake, not so much the boats, but it will look better than some of them.

I don't think the post anchors will exclude it from overnight mooring laws and I'd be willing to bet it will return to a dock or mooring every night. Considering where it's being built and the slow cruising speed, I suspect it will typically be a short trip...

[dave603]

I wonder how they are going to move it around anywhere?
Tow it or stick a couple of LARGE outboards on it?

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Dave R

The segue was obvious to me: Floating restaurant begets hiking complaint, hiking complaint begets illegal immigration rant. Obvious, no?

Anyway, my thoughts:

I doubt someone would go to the trouble of building this if they were unable to get permits to use it as intended.

It's not my scene, but I think it's pretty neat and I hope it's successful. It's a clever way to open a boat-to restaurant without needing to buy expensive real estate. For those that are concerned about the environmental impact should consider how this thing will NOT require more than a dock's width of waterfront property and won't require a paved parking lot right next to the lake.

Draft will be extremely shallow. There's just not that much mass:surface area there and it likely has an utterly flat hull.

It will blend nicely with the uglier homes on the lake, not so much the boats, but it will look better than some of them.

I don't think the post anchors will exclude it from overnight mooring laws and I'd be willing to bet it will return to a dock or mooring every night. Considering where it's being built and the slow cruising speed, I suspect it will typically be a short trip...

It's a long way from Alton (if that is were they are mooring in the evenings) to Braun Bay (where is suppose it will do a majority of its business). Do you think this hull design can handle that trip especially of busy weekends when there is a lot of boat traffic and wakes to handle?

[Phantom]

Who's saying that WAM will be it's home base ?

All we know at this point is that it is "Under Construction" in that Marina. Makes perfect sense for logistics & launch.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Who's saying that WAM will be it's home base ?

All we know at this point is that it is "Under Construction" in that Marina. Makes perfect sense for logistics & launch.

That is exactly why I said "If". But my question still stands. Can the hull and size handle a busy weekend on the lake to get from point A to Point B?

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by joey2665

That is exactly why I said "If". But my question still stands. Can the hull and size handle a busy weekend on the lake to get from point A to Point B?

Not to mention high winds and pop up storms!

[rsmlp]

A) I wish them success.

B) I've been wrong plenty of times.

C) For reasons already enumerated, I put the odds of them being back in'19 at 1/3.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by joey2665

It's a long way from Alton (if that is were they are mooring in the evenings) to Braun Bay (where is suppose it will do a majority of its business). Do you think this hull design can handle that trip especially of busy weekends when there is a lot of boat traffic and wakes to handle?

Oh yeah, it will have no trouble with rough water, it has a very low CG and can't go fast enough to pound in the waves. It's not a 17 foot bow rider.

[TiltonBB]

If I was building it my biggest concern would be what happens to the boat if it is not a financial success. The height and beam would seem to make it difficult or impossible to move it off of the lake and where would you go with it. Even a move to the coast would be a major undertaking.

There are a limited number of places that it can dock on the lake too so finding a suitable slip for the season would seem difficult. You would have to assume they have that covered.

Winter storage? Looks a little big for a travel lift? Someone has to have figured all of these things out but it should be interesting..

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

If I was building it my biggest concern would be what happens to the boat if it is not a financial success. The height and beam would seem to make it difficult or impossible to move it off of the lake and where would you go with it. Even a move to the coast would be a major undertaking.

There are a limited number of places that it can dock on the lake too so finding a suitable slip for the season would seem difficult. You would have to assume they have that covered.

Winter storage? Looks a little big for a travel lift? Someone has to have figured all of these things out but it should be interesting..

If it starts to sink financially then it will probably end up on fire, oops grease fire!
I wonder what kind of insurance policy can be written on that thing?

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

If I was building it my biggest concern would be what happens to the boat if it is not a financial success. The height and beam would seem to make it difficult or impossible to move it off of the lake and where would you go with it. Even a move to the coast would be a major undertaking.

There are a limited number of places that it can dock on the lake too so finding a suitable slip for the season would seem difficult. You would have to assume they have that covered.

Winter storage? Looks a little big for a travel lift? Someone has to have figured all of these things out but it should be interesting..

If they are building it in West Alton, they are probably keeping it there, probably near where the construction barge sits. It doesn't have to come out of the water in the winter, in there it is very sheltered. They could leave it in and run a circulator or two around it.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Oh yeah, it will have no trouble with rough water, it has a very low CG and can't go fast enough to pound in the waves. It's not a 17 foot bow rider.

I’m not so sure about that Dave. Those big barges that you see crossing the lake with heavy equipment need absolute calm waters and no wind to make the journey. Even without a load, they still need no wind and calm water and they have the lowest center of gravity of anything out there.

I just don’t see it.

Dan

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

I’m not so sure about that Dave. Those big barges that you see crossing the lake with heavy equipment need absolute calm waters and no wind to make the journey. Even without a load, they still need no wind and calm water and they have the lowest center of gravity of anything out there.

I just don’t see it.

Dan

I can see why an open barge with low freeboard would be an issue with a heavy load, and steep waves, but this contraption does not appear to be open. Looks like waves would just flow over the deck, like on a pontoon.

[noreast]

Though I'm sure the engineers have done the math, Somewhere here I read 80 people up top? That's 16,000 lbs give or take, Imagine that thing in rough water loaded to capacity. I'd like to take a look at it out of curiosity.

[ApS]

Reading the news-aggregating websites, I'm seeing a lot of incidental advertising for waterborne group activities. (Cruising, weddings, etc.) Presently, Google-ads are displaying Maine schooners and medium-sized cruise boats plying the Hawaiian island of Maui.

Originally Posted by jazzman

Seems like The Dive will have to anchor. It's one big sail

"The Dive" crew is going to learn a lot about sailing.

Originally Posted by Dave R

The segue was obvious to me: Floating restaurant begets hiking complaint, hiking complaint begets illegal immigration rant. Obvious, no? Anyway, my thoughts: I doubt someone would go to the trouble of building this if they were unable to get permits to use it as intended. It's not my scene, but I think it's pretty neat and I hope it's successful. It's a clever way to open a boat-to restaurant without needing to buy expensive real estate. For those that are concerned about the environmental impact should consider how this thing will NOT require more than a dock's width of waterfront property and won't require a paved parking lot right next to the lake. Draft will be extremely shallow. There's just not that much mass: surface area there and it likely has an utterly flat hull. It will blend nicely with the uglier homes on the lake, not so much the boats, but it will look better than some of them.
I don't think the post anchors will exclude it from overnight mooring laws and I'd be willing to bet it will return to a dock or mooring every night. Considering where it's being built and the slow cruising speed, I suspect it will typically be a short trip...

Any "post anchors" (called "spuds") appearing in earlier photos, apparently were attached to something adjacent, but I think they should have been equipped with at least one.

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[fatlazyless]

Yes, it is a boat, and yes, it does look like a house, but is it a house boat?

Who knows ...... only the NH Marine Patrol really knows, obviously, but just maybe it qualifies to be considered a houseboat at least on a very temporary basis.....like a one night anchor back in a cove somewhere.....after a busy busy night ...... with one or more sleeping bags unrolled across the deck, or on top of a sitting bench, or somewhere ..... like, in the steering room .......aka......the pilot room?

270-A:1 Definitions: Use of houseboats

"Houseboat" means any ship, boat, raft, float, catamaran or marine craft of any description upon or within which are located sleeping and toilet facilities, regardless of whether such facilities are of a permanent or temporary nature.

Does that mean that it needs to be docked, or moored, every night, as opposed to remaining anchored out on the big water, somewhere, under the stars on the big beautiful blue big lake, from April to November?

Oh well, Ming Cove in Alton, or wherever the heck it is, is a long, long, long way from south Bear Island, so's it's probably not gonna be my problem .... big money risk .....big money reward .... will be interesting to see what happens .....where it goes .....what's the plan etc ....time will tell?

[strum]

looks Like two spuds on starboard side..

[strum]

looks like they are on the port side .

[JADAQ]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Yes, it is a boat, and yes, it does look like a house, but is it a house boat?

Who knows ...... only the NH Marine Patrol really knows, obviously, but just maybe it qualifies to be considered a houseboat at least on a very temporary basis.....like a one night anchor back in a cove somewhere.....after a busy busy night ...... with one or more sleeping bags unrolled across the deck, or on top of a sitting bench, or somewhere ..... like, in the steering room .......aka......the pilot room?

270-A:1 Definitions: Use of houseboats

"Houseboat" means any ship, boat, raft, float, catamaran or marine craft of any description upon or within which are located sleeping and toilet facilities, regardless of whether such facilities are of a permanent or temporary nature.

Does that mean that it needs to be docked, or moored, every night, as opposed to remaining anchored out on the big water, somewhere, under the stars on the big beautiful blue big lake, from April to November?

Oh well, Ming Cove in Alton, or wherever the heck it is, is a long, long, long way from south Bear Island, so's it's probably not gonna be my problem .... big money risk .....big money reward .... will be interesting to see what happens .....where it goes .....what's the plan etc ....time will tell?

Seriously, how do you think this crap up anyway?

[Phantom]

JADAQ - I see you've only been a member for two years ………… trust me ( and my 13 years on this Forum)- FLL does NOT "think this stuff up" ………………. it flows quite naturally from his keyboard...

No thought required !

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Phantom

JADAQ - I see you've only been a member for two years ………… trust me ( and my 13 years on this Forum)- FLL does NOT "think this stuff up" ………………. it flows quite naturally from his keyboard...

No thought required !

I equate it to a very lucky ape pounding on a keyboard.

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[Phantom]

Originally Posted by JADAQ

Being built in the Chanel at West Alton marina

Now it makes sense !!

JADAQ is correct !

When we went into WAM a week ago, we saw this building "construction" behind where Winnipesaukee Marine parks their barges/ rocks/poles/supplies and thought it was a new WAM building going up ............... at the time never gave it a second thought as the owners of WAM are always improving the grounds.

[JADAQ]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Now it makes sense !!

JADAQ is correct !

When we went into WAM a week ago, we saw this building "construction" behind where Winnipesaukee Marine parks their barges/ rocks/poles/supplies and thought it was a new WAM building going up ............... at the time never gave it a second thought as the owners of WAM are always improving the grounds.

They also took delivery of twin evinrude 250’s last week for it.

[BoatHouse]

Originally Posted by JADAQ

They also took delivery of twin evinrude 250’s last week for it.

I think they are going to need larger engines or a Tugboat...

[codeman671]

They are certainly spending enough, they are easily in to this for $150-200k, maybe more I am guessing, with the 2 engines, barge cost, build and fitup.

[Biggd]

I've been to a lot of dive bars in my life time. This is one that I think I will avoid.

[ursa minor]

Originally Posted by BoatHouse

I think they are going to need larger engines or a Tugboat...

That's plenty of power, it's not going to be fast regardless of how much they hang on the back. There's a contractor in our area that has a large barge with similar power, it will do about 10-12 mph with the engines pushing hard.

The amount of windage or "sail" area would be my concern with a flat bottomed vessel that this appears to be. Even with two engines it will be a handful in a cross wind.

I wish them luck and hope they've done their "due diligence", I'm guessing this will be bringing up some discussions of lake usage vs. property owner's rights before too long.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I think this style speaks to the younger millennial crowd. Young singles with disposable cash.


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Ahhhh! Disposable cash! That must be what’s in those backpacks!