Pier 19

[KPW]

I heard from Randy Parker that Pier 19 has sold. Purchased by a conglomerate.

[Just Wonderin]

Hi KPW, did you mean Randy Parker of Maxfield Real Estate? Or is there a Randy Walker?

[TheTimeTraveler]

Does anyone know if the underground fuel tank (for boat gas) is still in place or has that been removed since Pier 19 closed?

[SAB1]

I never saw that tank taken out.

[KPW]

Originally Posted by Just Wonderin

Hi KPW, did you mean Randy Parker of Maxfield Real Estate? Or is there a Randy Walker?

Randy Parker

[KPW]

The tank is still there.

[The Real BigGuy]

Tank is still there. In fact, it was replaced shortly before the store closed.


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[CowTimes]

Thanks for the info. Any details on what type of conglomerate, or what the plans for the store are?

[tis]

However there IS a Randy Walker.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Tank is still there. In fact, it was replaced shortly before the store closed.

The tank was not replaced, it was repaired.

[KPW]

Originally Posted by tis

However there IS a Randy Walker.

Is he a realtor?

[tis]

Originally Posted by KPW

Is he a realtor?

No, he's an attorney. Randy Parker is the realtor.

[Cobalt 25]

I wish Parker Walker would make up his mind. Is he parking or walking?

At least he's not stalking.

[Wifi-1]

Originally Posted by tis

However there IS a Randy Walker.

Mi gaud, there is no need to bring this up.


Every local knows this already.

[Lake Fan]

Dollar General coming soon?

Those things are everywhere.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by Wifi-1

Mi gaud, there is no need to bring this up.


Every local knows this already.

And if you’re not a local you’re SOL?


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[tis]

Originally Posted by Wifi-1

Mi gaud, there is no need to bring this up.


Every local knows this already.

I didn't bring it up. The question was asked. Some of the posts were edited so it is a little confusing to follow if you didn't see all the originals.

Cobalt,

[Patiently Watching]

Yes - Dollar General

[Wifi-1]

Originally Posted by tis

I didn't bring it up. The question was asked. Some of the posts were edited so it is a little confusing to follow if you didn't see all the originals.

Cobalt,

LOL, ok, it is hard to follow by me too, with all the political undertones slipping in. No harm, no offense.

[skprbob]

The power transformers for the store are on a pole at the corner of my driveway. This morning, there was a Co-op bucket truck there, closing the pole circuit breakers to power up the store. Something happening - don't know details yet and haven't seen anyone inside. Just have to look at some other time of day.

[thinkxingu]

I'd love to see them put some updates into the ice cream side of things--we loved going there by boat, as it was the closest place to us.

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[Patiently Watching]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I'd love to see them put some updates into the ice cream side of things--we loved going there by boat, as it was the closest place to us.

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I wonder if the dollar store will be open in time for summer? Very convenient for boating and Camp Belknap.

[thinkxingu]

Please, please, please tell me the dollar store thing is a joke.

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[fatlazyless]

About two years ago, Dollar General built a new store in Campton next to the Northway Bank on a very steep, river bank, sloping lot that needed a lot of site work to make it happen on such a sloping lot ..... and it happened.

Ashland and Campton both have relatively new Dollar Generals which do not seem to do too much business? Like, why in the whole wide world would anyone want to go to a Dollar General when you can go to a Walmart?

The Plymouth Walmart has some very nice large oranges, as in oranges, grapefruit, lemons for just 50-cents/orange ...... a steal of a deal .... high quality oranges!

Tamworth, Center Ossipee, Moultonborough, and Alton all have Dollar Generals ..... isn't Pier 19 considered to be in Melvin Village in Tuftonboro .... and probably it would be a 365-day, year 'round store ..... Dollar General wouldn't have a seasonal type of a store ....it would have to be open all-the-time ...... a 7-day, 52-week type of a store .... a real business.

See you at the Melvin Village, Dollar General!

Hopefully, it will get painted Melvin Village white ...... so's it will blend, good.

https://rocherealty.com/tuftonboro-n...-realty-group/ ...... $899,000 .... excellent pictures! ..... 1408-days on the market is a lot of days!

Will it have quality tuna fish in cans for $1.39 and excellent, hot, strong coffee for like 99-cents ..... another reason to visit Melvin Village!

Will it rent out stand up paddle boards?

[TheTimeTraveler]

If it does turn out to be a Dollar Store then my guess is that boat gas will be a thing of the past.

I don't believe any of their locations sell gasoline for cars or boats, and I wouldn't think they would start that precedent now.

There are many stipulations for vending and storing gasoline and I just don't think their staffing can deal with it.

But who knows, I could be all wrong (as well as speculation on this Forum that it will in fact become a Dollar Store).




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[thinkxingu]

Is boating gas profitable?

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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Is boating gas profitable?

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With the short season and only selling gas and convenience items. I cannot see it being profitable with the cost of purchasing the location and the normal overhead. Without selling and or repairing boats it’s extremely difficult


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[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by Patiently Watching

Yes - Dollar General

Do you have proof of Pier 19 store becoming a Dollar General Store? Or is this just speculation on your part? Lake Fan just asked question could it be a Dollar General store.

[SAB1]

Rumor I heard was there a potential buyer who wanted to convert the store into a restaurant. Not sure if that is who bought it though

[cd1]

The store had very limited parking,with most spaces owned by the Condo Assoc. Very hard for any business to make a go of it

[fatlazyless]

With over 15,000 stores and $25-billion annual revenue ..... maybe Dollar General just thought this could be a happening, fun location and said let's do it up real nice as a way to upgrade their public image .... in such a beautiful Lake Winnipesaukee location.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

With over 15,000 stores and $25-billion annual revenue ..... maybe Dollar General just thought this could be a happening, fun location and said let's do it up real nice as a way to upgrade their public image .... such a beautiful Lake Winnipesaukee location.

Not likely especially since they have had financial issues in the past. They are not going to open a location without it being profitable


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[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by SAB1

Rumor I heard was there a potential buyer who wanted to convert the store into a restaurant. Not sure if that is who bought it though

I'm not sure a restaurant could really function there because the septic system requirements for such a business are quite tough. And because it is so close to the waterfront it presents additional challenges.

The footprint there is rather limited so I really don't know if there is enough space for a new septic system (and leach field) or not. I also have no idea in what kind of condition the existing septic system is in (which I believe was put in when Hunters ran the store).

Anyway, that's my thought and I'm confident others will comment.....

[ApS]

Originally Posted by tis

However there IS a Randy Walker.

Originally Posted by Just Wonderin

Hi KPW, did you mean Randy Parker of Maxfield Real Estate? Or is there a Randy Walker?

R. Parker and R. Walker have brought Randy to little, sedate, Wolfeboro-town.

[The Real BigGuy]

The septic system is under the parking lot out back which is owned by the association. In fact, all of the parking area is owned by the association. The well for the building is also on land owned by the association. In addition, I believe the association documents grant the association access to a bathroom in the building.


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[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

The septic system is under the parking lot out back which is owned by the association. In fact, all of the parking area is owned by the association. The well for the building is also on land owned by the association. In addition, I believe the association documents grant the association access to a bathroom in the building.


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If that is true hard to find any value in the building except for the association buying it.

[The Real BigGuy]

I agree it is hard to justify the 1 mil asking price. You are getting the building, the land it sits on, the parking spots directly in front of it. Probably why it has been on the market for over 2 years.


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[The Real BigGuy]

Wrong! The store “controls” something like 30 spaces in the front but the lot is the associations.


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[LIforrelaxin]

So much speculation going on here.... give it time and see what starts to happens....

[The Real BigGuy]

Supposedly there is a deal in place but buyer doesn’t want to close until the fall. Got this from association board member.


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[jbolty]

surprised no one has ever used that parking lot for a farmers market, traveling BBQ or some other kind of food truck or coffee cart. Seems like there is plenty of traffic for a hit and run business during the season.

[tis]

I heard the first deal fell through. There was a second looker last week. Rumors only.

[FlyingScot]

Property is still listed for sale online. Presumably, the listing would come down immediately on an offer and acceptance. So I'm going out on a limb to say talk of a sale is just talk

[KPW]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Wrong! The store “controls” something like 30 spaces in the front but the lot is the associations.


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I have been misinformed.

[Grant]

Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler

Does anyone know if the underground fuel tank (for boat gas) is still in place or has that been removed since Pier 19 closed?

They just installed a brand new fuel tank there about two years ago in September, so I doubt they would remove it.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Grant

They just installed a brand new fuel tank there about two years ago in September, so I doubt they would remove it.

The tank was not replaced, it was repaired.

[Peter]

The last I heard this weekend was that someone wanted to take down Pier 19 store and build condos. Think they wanted a number of boat docking spots too. Lots of town approvals and dealing with the dock association before that would be approved.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Peter

The last I heard this weekend was that someone wanted to take down Pier 19 store and build condos. Think they wanted a number of boat docking spots too. Lots of town approvals and dealing with the dock association before that would be approved.

Ugh.

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[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by Peter

The last I heard this weekend was that someone wanted to take down Pier 19 store and build condos. Think they wanted a number of boat docking spots too. Lots of town approvals and dealing with the dock association before that would be approved.

An awful lot of hurdles to go thru prior to anything concrete happening there.

Does Pier 19 own the dock where one used to pull up to purchase gas?

[The Real BigGuy]

Someone said there was a town planning board meeting last week to address Pier 19 plans. Anyone hear anything?


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[The Real BigGuy]

Should have done this before I posted.
See the minutes for the 7/11/19 Planning board meeting in the following: https://www.tuftonboro.org/sites/tuf...es/7.11.19.pdf

In summary it appears somebody is interested in bringing back the store. All pending his due diligence.


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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

...it appears somebody is interested in bringing back the store. All pending his due diligence.


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That would be AWESOME.


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[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by SAB1

Rumor I heard was there a potential buyer who wanted to convert the store into a restaurant. Not sure if that is who bought it though

From what I understand talking to Tuftonboro officials there has been several offers. Yes one was to have restaurant in the lower level and a bar in the top of the building. And wanted to build a bridge from the store to over the wetlands behind the store to higher ground for parking. Nope not happening!

Another wanted to convert the store building into condos. Nope not happening. And there is still another yet to be determined


Bottom line is the store was built on a great deal of wetlands around the property. The store has one bathroom. The septic was probably designed for only one bathroom or little more. To expand the septic to accommodate anything more would require a major investment and Tuftonboro, State approvals. It probably won't even pass with Tuftonboro regulations. The whole area around the store is wetlands. From what I was told by the authorities the water table is just too high to allow any kind of septic expansion.

But what do I know... Hoping for some innovative and successful solution.

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Should have done this before I posted.
See the minutes for the 7/11/19 Planning board meeting in the following: https://www.tuftonboro.org/sites/tuf...es/7.11.19.pdf

In summary it appears somebody is interested in bringing back the store. All pending his due diligence.


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This person is interested in purchasing the store...but for something else yet to be determined...not a store as we know it from the past. He will not divulge to the Planning Board or other town people what his intentions are to do with the store. He is looking for other properties in the area to combine and invest to do something. His options are what he calls open. It doesn't play out well.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

From what I understand talking to Tuftonboro officials there has been several offers. Yes one was to have restaurant in the lower level and a bar in the top of the building. And wanted to build a bridge from the store to over the wetlands behind the store to higher ground for parking. Nope not happening!

Another wanted to convert the store building into condos. Nope not happening. And there is still another yet to be determined


Bottom line is the store was built on a great deal of wetlands around the property. The store has one bathroom. The septic was probably designed for only one bathroom or little more. To expand the septic to accommodate anything more would require a major investment and Tuftonboro, State approvals. It probably won't even pass with Tuftonboro regulations. The whole area around the store is wetlands. From what I was told by the authorities the water table is just too high to allow any kind of septic expansion.

But what do I know... Hoping for some innovative and successful solution.

Chasedawg,

Thanks for all the details.

I have always figured one of the issues with getting the property sold is because of potential use issues. The septic, becomes a big hurdle, to really be able to do anything. A restaurant would need a larger capacity system with out question, and that may have also been a contributing factor in going from a full grocery store at one point, to scaling down to that of a convenience store.

This is why I have never understood the asking price. The best thing it has going for it, is the Gas the pump. What I can say is the longer it sits vacant, the less and less chance we will have of every seeing it open back up, with the same use model was was last there.... I miss my place to go get some ice-cream..............

[DEJ]

My inside info suggests it will become a valet boat service facility with a small boat service department.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by DEJ

My inside info suggests it will become a valet boat service facility with a small boat service department.

Ummmm not sure how they would pull that off...... unless it is only going to be for Trailered boats, and they plan to use the public Ramp......

I would by that it could become a boat service facility and have the gas dock.... But I don't see the Valet service angle......

[SAB1]

Cant see it for trailered boats. Not enough land to operate that with boat trailers etc.

[SAB1]

Random thought.............would the developer trying to build the 12 houses on Farm Island be trying to buy it to wrap into the project so those folks have a mainland presence.................

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by SAB1

Random thought.............would the developer trying to build the 12 houses on Farm Island be trying to buy it to wrap into the project so those folks have a mainland presence.................

Nope it is not him.

[TheTimeTraveler]

I am wondering if the new operator will try installing a retail gas pump so that cars will be able to fill up there as well as boats.....

After all, Wolfeboro is now down to three gas stations (which used to have eight) and all the gas stations in Tuftonboro no longer exist (Melvin Village and Center Tuftonboro all closed).

Right now the closest gas is either in Wolfeboro or Moultonboro, so I think a gas pump might do well. After all, the operator is paying the insurance for the existing underground tank.

Interesting speculation continues as to what will really happen with Pier 19.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler

I am wondering if the new operator will try installing a retail gas pump so that cars will be able to fill up there as well as boats.....

After all, Wolfeboro is now down to three gas stations (which used to have eight) and all the gas stations in Tuftonboro no longer exist (Melvin Village and Center Tuftonboro all closed).

Right now the closest gas is either in Wolfeboro or Moultonboro, so I think a gas pump might do well. After all, the operator is paying the insurance for the existing underground tank.

Interesting speculation continues as to what will really happen with Pier 19.

That actually would make the most sense for that location IF they could get bigger tanks in to service a full on gas station for cars and develop the front of the store which is all grass at the moment, back that with a circle K convenience store, gas at the docks for boats and even a drive through dunks. I could see that working well there especially with all the activity there in the winter time with sleds and people ice fishing.

I don't see a valet service being viable there, does anyone think it a good idea to have constant traffic of boats on a fork lift crossing 109 with what a 45 MPH speed limit and let's face it visibility on the south bound side is terrible. I don't think the neighbors would appreciate that either and likely would fight something like that.

[SAB1]

I don’t think they even have the water depth there for a fork lift nor do they have room for that. But I agree that right type of store with car gas and boat gas has a chance. Food is required of course and tone it down to simple burger, dogs chicken sandwich in the winter and sell bait also. Sleds and fisherman will use it for sure. Very active spot in winter.

[chasedawg]

Approximately 10 years ago Roger the then store manager and I had a conversation why not put in car gas pumps for the store to help increase revenue. He told me at that time that they had researched the idea and decided not to do it for the following reasons. First it would be very difficult if not at all possible to get permits to add fuel tank around the store. Even if they could get approvals the cost would not justify doing it. And there was just not enough room in the the parking area. So it was not pursued any further.

[SAB1]

I would imagine that is the main problem with most anything trying to buy that site. Just not enough room there to do much. IMO very tough for anyone to make something profitable there that would create a decent revenue stream on an annual basis.

[The Real BigGuy]

Have to remember the Association “owned” the parking lot. Building owner would have to get Association members to agree to any parking area modifications.


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[gus62]

has there been any more updates on the Pier 19 business or property?

[Bmcgov78]

any word on the status of the store?

[VitaBene]

I do not see that site being economically viable any time in the near term. It is too large for a convenience store and too small for a grocery. I wish it were different because it is an easy boat ride for me.

[The Real BigGuy]

It looks like there are “new” for sale signs around the store. Did the deal with the trucking co. fall thru?


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