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[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by JADAQ

My son was at a business conference with him at church landing. Started Sunday ending Tuesday.

A 3-day event doesn't explain the boat being there for that duration, unless it was being used for entertainment in conjunction with the event, or something like that.

You can't (legally) sleep on it at the town docks, and it's not like Church Landing is a long commute from GI. So, he was either going home at night, or staying at the hotel, I would presume.

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

A 3-day event doesn't explain the boat being there for that duration, unless it was being used for entertainment in conjunction with the event, or something like that.

You can't (legally) sleep on it at the town docks, and it's not like Church Landing is a long commute from GI. So, he was either going home at night, or staying at the hotel, I would presume.

The boat exceeded the three hour limit at a public dock. Maybe there was a great reason for it, maybe not. I'm skeptical because I see so many flagrant violations of the three hour rule on a regular, ongoing basis. Yes, I am making assumptions, but in my experience the vast majority of abusers of the public docks do so out of convenience for themselves, not need. This has a negative effect on the rest of us who follow the rules.

If that is not the case here, my apologies to the owner.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Garcia

The boat exceeded the three hour limit at a public dock. Maybe there was a great reason for it, maybe not. I'm skeptical because I see so many flagrant violations of the three hour rule on a regular, ongoing basis. Yes, I am making assumptions, but in my experience the vast majority of abusers of the public docks do so out of convenience for themselves, not need. This has a negative effect on the rest of us who follow the rules.

If that is not the case here, my apologies to the owner.

Simple solution would be for Meredith to progressively charge (dearly) by the foot for limited transient dockage that exceeds the 3 hour limit, like just about the whole rest of the world (including a NH city) does...

An even better solution would be for Meredith to allow transient dockage described above AND to install transient moorings at a substantially reduced rate (compared to dockage rates) and offer a free dinghy dock and/or a fee launch service, like just about the whole rest of the world does...

This whole concept of every boat having to go back to its home slip every night is really stupid. All those public docks on the lake are utterly wasted for roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of each day of the boating season and the towns and marinas are losing out on a ton of revenue.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Simple solution would be for Meredith to progressively charge (dearly) by the foot for limited transient dockage that exceeds the 3 hour limit, like just about the whole rest of the world (including a NH city) does...

An even better solution would be for Meredith to allow transient dockage described above AND to install transient moorings at a substantially reduced rate (compared to dockage rates) and offer a free dinghy dock and/or a fee launch service, like just about the whole rest of the world does...

This whole concept of every boat having to go back to its home slip every night is really stupid. All those public docks on the lake are utterly wasted for roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of each day of the boating season and the towns and marinas are losing out on a ton of revenue.

To me the best answer is for every town dock to have a dock master which solves to problem of overstaying and who is next in line (which is always an issue on busy weekends) and change a small fee to cover the cost of the dockmaster.

The main reason for not allowing overnight stays is really not geared toward residents or property owners but instead for vacationers who can throw their boat in the water and live off their boat for their stay thus avoiding paying a hotel.motel and the hotel tax

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by joey2665

To me the best answer is for every town dock to have a dock master which solves to problem of overstaying and who is next in line (which is always an issue on busy weekends) and change a small fee to cover the cost of the dockmaster.

The main reason for not allowing overnight stays is really not geared toward residents or property owners but instead for vacationers who can throw their boat in the water and live off their boat for their stay thus avoiding paying a hotel.motel and the hotel tax

Even better, limit the size of boats on the lake with a simple and fair formula. Anyone can own and operate a boat 15 feet or smaller. For every year you have on the lake, you earn the right to an extra foot. Sure they'll be people like me in our 60+ foot boats, but at least we'll have experience on the lake

Seriously, just follow the intent and the letter of the law and we all benefit.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Garcia

Even better, limit the size of boats on the lake with a simple and fair formula. Anyone can own and operate a boat 15 feet or smaller. For every year you have on the lake, you earn the right to an extra foot. Sure they'll be people like me in our 60+ foot boats, but at least we'll have experience on the lake

Seriously, just follow the intent and the letter of the law and we all benefit.

That sounds good but isn't that why we have a police department?

[tis]

Originally Posted by joey2665

To me the best answer is for every town dock to have a dock master which solves to problem of overstaying and who is next in line (which is always an issue on busy weekends) and change a small fee to cover the cost of the dockmaster.

The main reason for not allowing overnight stays is really not geared toward residents or property owners but instead for vacationers who can throw their boat in the water and live off their boat for their stay thus avoiding paying a hotel.motel and the hotel tax

A SMALL fee? Surely you are dreaming Joey. And even if it started out small you know what would happen.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by tis

A SMALL fee? Surely you are dreaming Joey. And even if it started out small you know what would happen.

No I am not dreaming! They do it here in NY and the fee is usually 10.00 for the stay.


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[fatlazyless]

If everyone was only allowed to own a 14' vee hull, open aluminum boat with a 15-hp Evinrude outboard, both boat and motor made before 1980 ....... finding a parking spot at a local town dock would NOT be a problem!

I will be running for NH governor with this boat docking message!

..... thankyou very much ..... and vote for my plan!

[Descant]

Originally Posted by joey2665

No I am not dreaming! They do it here in NY and the fee is usually 10.00 for the stay.

The police officer on duty at the Glendale docks does a fine job keeping things running smoothly. They even accept UPS/FedEx. A great model for other towns /public docks.

It's "FREE"! The government pays for it. LOL

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by Descant

The police officer on duty at the Glendale docks does a fine job keeping things running smoothly. They even accept UPS/FedEx. A great model for other towns /public docks.

It's "FREE"! The government pays for it. LOL

From what I’ve been told by one of the two gentleman that works there, they are volunteers. There is a woman who works there to cover the evenings when there are concerts at Meadowbrooks so non-islanders don’t dock at the islanders’ docks.


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[Hillcountry]

I saw as I passed between Eagle and Governor’s the other day that the 54’ yacht is now docked at the owner’s residence! Looks great there and really does not appear to be “too big” for Winni.

[Phantom]

Seems someone has their docking space at Silver Sands.

Perhaps the plan all aling once they squared away the dock at the house.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

I saw as I passed between Eagle and Governor’s the other day that the 54’ yacht is now docked at the owner’s residence! Looks great there and really does not appear to be “too big” for Winni.

It is 56 Feet

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

It is 56 Feet

I stand corrected!

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

It is 56 Feet

It is 52' LWL.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

It is 52' LWL.

That is not correct. Sorry, it is 56 feet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJhN8bQNhms

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

That is not correct. Sorry, it is 56 feet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJhN8bQNhms

Skimmed through that video, didn't catch where he mentioned LWL, do you have a link to the time where the waterline length was discussed?

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

Skimmed through that video, didn't catch where he mentioned LWL, do you have a link to the time where the waterline length was discussed?

Length overall [ft] 58’1”
Beam overall [ft] 15’7”
Draft max. [ft] 4’7’’
Mass of Light Craft Condition [lbs] 53462
Engine (-s) power [HP] 2 x 725

Are you really that concerned about LWL? That would mean that almost every one of us is running a boat shorter than we claim it is.

Is there a point that you are trying to make?

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Length overall [ft] 58’1”
Beam overall [ft] 15’7”
Draft max. [ft] 4’7’’
Mass of Light Craft Condition [lbs] 53462
Engine (-s) power [HP] 2 x 725

Are you really that concerned about LWL? That would mean that almost every one of us is running a boat shorter than we claim it is.

Is there a point that you are trying to make?

I thought we were all just quoting random specs about this boat

Actually, I just found it humorous with people arguing over minor details about the boat like it's some kind of religious vessel.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

Actually, I just found it humorous with people arguing over minor details about the boat like it's some kind of religious vessel.

Noah’s ark??

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Length overall [ft] 58’1”
Beam overall [ft] 15’7”
Draft max. [ft] 4’7’’
Mass of Light Craft Condition [lbs] 53462
Engine (-s) power [HP] 2 x 725

Are you really that concerned about LWL? That would mean that almost every one of us is running a boat shorter than we claim it is.

Is there a point that you are trying to make?

Size does matter, so I hear? Personally I think my waistline is plenty big...

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

I saw as I passed between Eagle and Governor’s the other day that the 54’ yacht is now docked at the owner’s residence! Looks great there and really does not appear to be “too big” for Winni.

I, too, saw it docked and I just rolled my eyes. That whole scene of a mammoth house and giant boat is not what I am looking for when I come here. Personally, I think both are way too big. The boat especially...

That said, he, and everyone else, is free to spend their money however they like.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by joey2665

No I am not dreaming! They do it here in NY and the fee is usually 10.00 for the stay.


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Yup, most towns in NY have a great plan for public dock use and it's a fantastic state for recreational boating because of it. The popular towns charge for a stay and the less popular towns don't charge and often have incentives (free shore-power, bathrooms/showers, laundry facilities, shuttle buses etc.) to encourage people to stop and tie up (and spend money locally). It's simple supply and demand and based on extensive cruising there, I can say it works quite well. The warm and welcoming atmosphere I have experienced in NY waterfront towns is exactly opposite of what I experience here in NH. We could do so much better...

Meredith and Wolfeboro could be raking in big bucks all the time. Alton, Center Harbor and Weirs Beach could fill their docks with overnight boaters that pay a reasonable transient fee and spend a lot of money at local businesses. Imagine the bar bills people would rack up if they did not have to pilot their boat back to their dock in the dark. Additionally, imagine the breakfast joint revenues the next day... I think we can all agree that areas that have a few thriving restaurants typically also have thriving retail and hospitality establishments. People want to go where other people go.

One other thing that could really help with crowded town docks is to allow rafting where there's space for it. That's pretty normal outside NH too... It's crazy that with all the space between docks in Meredith that they don't allow rafting there; it's ideal for it. A Dockmaster could even offer discounts to incentivize people to allow rafting to their boat.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Yup, most towns in NY have a great plan for public dock use and it's a fantastic state for recreational boating because of it. The popular towns charge for a stay and the less popular towns don't charge and often have incentives (free shore-power, bathrooms/showers, laundry facilities, shuttle buses etc.) to encourage people to stop and tie up (and spend money locally). It's simple supply and demand and based on extensive cruising there, I can say it works quite well. The warm and welcoming atmosphere I have experienced in NY waterfront towns is exactly opposite of what I experience here in NH. We could do so much better...

Meredith and Wolfeboro could be raking in big bucks all the time. Alton, Center Harbor and Weirs Beach could fill their docks with overnight boaters that pay a reasonable transient fee and spend a lot of money at local businesses. Imagine the bar bills people would rack up if they did not have to pilot their boat back to their dock in the dark. Additionally, imagine the breakfast joint revenues the next day... I think we can all agree that areas that have a few thriving restaurants typically also have thriving retail and hospitality establishments. People want to go where other people go.

One other thing that could really help with crowded town docks is to allow rafting where there's space for it. That's pretty normal outside NH too... It's crazy that with all the space between docks in Meredith that they don't allow rafting there; it's ideal for it. A Dockmaster could even offer discounts to incentivize people to allow rafting to their boat.

I agree with almost everything you just said except one thing...I usually want to go where there are NO other people...

[ishoot308]

I really like the idea of having a dock master at town docks to control and monitor docking. This wouldn't cost the much and would really benefit both boater and town and in my opinion pay for itself...

Dan

[tis]

Yes by all means. Let's bring NY to NH. Didn't we have a discussion about this?

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by tis

Yes by all means. Let's bring NY to NH. Didn't we have a discussion about this?

Agreed. I liked being able to go out in the afternoon for ice cream and morning for breakfast without worrying the docks are full. Also, a charge at each dock would just increase the costs associated with boating--it's already priced out a lot of people.

Just. Do. The. Right. Thing.

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[Dave R]

Originally Posted by tis

Yes by all means. Let's bring NY to NH. Didn't we have a discussion about this?

Do you have any experience boating in NY?

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by tis

Yes by all means. Let's bring NY to NH. Didn't we have a discussion about this?

Really?, I think your taking this to an extreme.

This is the issue, everyone equates NY to NYC which is not the case at all and just like any state they do some things well and other things not so well.

In this situation DaveR and I are just suggesting the NY has a better handle on how to get the most out of their town dock facilities for themselves and the local businesses and I has worked very well for many years.

NOTE: Non of their town docks are within the border of NYC or its 5 boroughs they are on the lakes and rivers upstate and at state and federal parks on Long Island.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

I agree with almost everything you just said except one thing...I usually want to go where there are NO other people...

Me too, but I think we are unusual that way... My points are from a tourism business development point of view.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Meredith and Wolfeboro could be raking in big bucks all the time. Alton, Center Harbor and Weirs Beach could fill their docks with overnight boaters that pay a reasonable transient fee and spend a lot of money at local businesses. Imagine the bar bills people would rack up if they did not have to pilot their boat back to their dock in the dark. Additionally, imagine the breakfast joint revenues the next day... I think we can all agree that areas that have a few thriving restaurants typically also have thriving retail and hospitality establishments. People want to go where other people go.

Dave - I also agree with 99% of your post -- however note that spending the night at a town dock I believe falls under the State Regulations ?????

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Dave - I also agree with 99% of your post -- however note that spending the night at a town dock I believe falls under the State Regulations ?????

I don't think so, the state only prohibits overnight anchoring on inland waters. Docks basically the only place you can overnight legally. The dock owner determines the allowable uses.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Yup, most towns in NY have a great plan for public dock use and it's a fantastic state for recreational boating because of it. The popular towns charge for a stay and the less popular towns don't charge and often have incentives (free shore-power, bathrooms/showers, laundry facilities, shuttle buses etc.) to encourage people to stop and tie up (and spend money locally). It's simple supply and demand and based on extensive cruising there, I can say it works quite well. The warm and welcoming atmosphere I have experienced in NY waterfront towns is exactly opposite of what I experience here in NH. We could do so much better...

Meredith and Wolfeboro could be raking in big bucks all the time. Alton, Center Harbor and Weirs Beach could fill their docks with overnight boaters that pay a reasonable transient fee and spend a lot of money at local businesses. Imagine the bar bills people would rack up if they did not have to pilot their boat back to their dock in the dark. Additionally, imagine the breakfast joint revenues the next day... I think we can all agree that areas that have a few thriving restaurants typically also have thriving retail and hospitality establishments. People want to go where other people go.

One other thing that could really help with crowded town docks is to allow rafting where there's space for it. That's pretty normal outside NH too... It's crazy that with all the space between docks in Meredith that they don't allow rafting there; it's ideal for it. A Dockmaster could even offer discounts to incentivize people to allow rafting to their boat.

Reads like plan to make the docks a miserable, unavailable place for local residents. Thanks goodness our policy makers know that maximizing dock and breakfast(!) revenues is NOT our ultimate goal

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Reads like plan to make the docks a miserable, unavailable place for local residents. Thanks goodness our policy makers know that maximizing dock and breakfast(!) revenues is NOT our ultimate goal

So if public docks in Wolfeboro, Center Harbor, Alton Bay, Weirs Beach, and Meredith weren't installed to attract customers in boats to local businesses, why were they installed?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Dave R

So if public docks in Wolfeboro, Center Harbor, Alton Bay, Weirs Beach, and Meredith weren't installed to attract customers in boats to local businesses, why were they installed?

Nothing wrong with public docks and nothing wrong with attracting business. It's the money above all else ethic of your post that is wrong.

We don't want our docks to be be campgrounds or RV parks, we want them to be docks.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Nothing wrong with public docks and nothing wrong with attracting business. It's the money above all else ethic of your post that is wrong.

We don't want our docks to be be campgrounds or RV parks, we want them to be docks.

I never advocated for RVs or camping at the docks, just boats.

Anway, I'll be on my boat this weekend, likely making an overnight stay at a dock away from my home slip and exploring a lovely waterfront town with a welcoming atmosphere. I'm sure it will be just awful. Enjoy your day trips!

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Anyway, I'll be on my boat this weekend, likely making an overnight stay at a dock away from my home slip and exploring a lovely waterfront town with a welcoming atmosphere. I'm sure it will be just awful. Enjoy your day trips!

Now that's what the manufacturers had in mind when they developed all those "Cruisers" (big & small) …………. to be used to TRAVEL in -

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Dave R

So if public docks in Wolfeboro, Center Harbor, Alton Bay, Weirs Beach, and Meredith weren't installed to attract customers in boats to local businesses,
why were they installed?

We know why they were installed, but the planners were not counting on the run-away sizes of today's boats.

[Descant]

My family used to stay overnight at Weirs, Wolfeboro, etc. The towns encouraged cabin cruisers, not because we did a lot of spending, but because the larger boats were a tourist attraction.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by ApS

We know why they were installed, but the planners were not counting on the run-away sizes of today's boats.

Back in the 70's when I was a kid, my uncle had a camp on a small lake in the lakes region, and he had a 17' Penn Yan with a 120hp 4cyl mercruiser in it, and at the time it was the fastest boat on the lake!! It's "nickname" was "the Pig" because of all the fuel it used!!! A friend of theirs on the other side of the lake, then bought a 16 or 17' Glastron/Carlson with a 125hp Johnson o/b 2 stroke motor that then became the fastest boat on the lake...!!! "The pig" just couldn't keep up with that 2 stroke!!! My how things have changed...

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Reads like plan to make the docks a miserable, unavailable place for local residents. Thanks goodness our policy makers know that maximizing dock and breakfast(!) revenues is NOT our ultimate goal

YES.

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[fatlazyless]

.......golleeeeeee....... a couple years back, I actually found a ten dollar bill float'n in the water about four feet off the town dock, there ..... with all these big money boats dock'n up to go hit the local restaurants ...... am look'n to find a HUNDRED DOLLAR BILL float'n ..... sink'n ..... in the water there....yahhooooooo!

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

.......golleeeeeee....... a couple years back, I actually found a ten dollar bill float'n in the water about four feet off the town dock, there ..... with all these big money boats dock'n up to go hit the local restaurants ...... am look'n to find a HUNDRED DOLLAR BILL float'n ..... sink'n ..... in the water there....yahhooooooo!

That was mine, I want it back!

[Biggd]

A buddy of mine that has his 59' boat docked in Mystic Conn. told me that when he leaves his rented dock space he has to let the dock master know when he's going to return because they rent it out while he's gone.

If he comes back early and his space is occupied and they don't have some place for him to tie up he's out of luck. He has to stay a sea until a space opens up.

It's ridiculous that they can rent out his space while he's gone and he gets nothing out of it. What a sham!

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Biggd

A buddy of mine that has his 59' boat docked in Mystic Conn. told me that when he leaves his rented dock space he has to let the dock master know when he's going to return because they rent it out while he's gone.

If he comes back early and his space is occupied and they don't have some place for him to tie up he's out of luck. He has to stay a sea until a space opens up.

It's ridiculous that they can rent out his space while he's gone and he gets nothing out of it. What a sham!

That's normal and part of the contract at most marinas. It's how transient slips become available.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by Biggd

It's ridiculous that they can rent out his space while he's gone and he gets nothing out of it. What a sham!

Big -- I think it probably cuts BOTH ways ….. It clearly had to be a condition of Rental ( that he is aware of) but probably also positively impacts his Slip Rental cost...……….. that would be "what he get's out of it.