Ethanol Free Gasoline

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by AC2717

thank for the info
here is the Walmart description,
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Starbrite...tment/26779501

says only for up to 12 months lol, either way I'm guessing it will be fine for 6 months,

has anyone ever used the sta-bil 360 marine for this, im just liking the delivery method (the bottle to measure) only going in a 6 gallon tank and i do not mind over dosing, but it just seems easier if im doing 6 gallons every week or so

I have used the Sta-bil 360 Marine, like Ishoot308, in all my small engines plus my now sold boat when winterizing it. The gas for the generator, lawnmower, snowblower, weed wacker, leaf blower, and chain saw sit around for varying periods of time, and never a problem with engines running rough, not starting, etc.. During the boating season, I bought all my gas at West Alton, which has premixed Valvtec.

Dave

[JEEPONLY]

Thank you for the responses on Star Tron.
Having read here, and online reports, I am convinced there is no shelf life- new or opened then tightly re-closed.

My container has been in my garage for two years. From all reports, it should be stored in a cool, dry place, and not be subject to freezing.

So... looks like I'll be buying another.

Oh, yes- reports also claim it will rejuvenate old gas. I would guess that means, maybe, 2-3 month old gas- not real old gas.

Thanks, again.

[Lakegeezer]

As of Feb 2022, the 603 Fuel station in Moultonborough (just west of M'boro Neck Rd) has ethanol free gas as one of the selections at the main pump. It ain't cheap, but in the long run may be due to lower maintenance costs on older motors.

[Charlie T]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

As of Feb 2022, the 603 Fuel station in Moultonborough (just west of M'boro Neck Rd) has ethanol free gas as one of the selections at the main pump. It ain't cheap, but in the long run may be due to lower maintenance costs on older motors.

I purchased some of the "real" gas there in the fall. If I recall correctly it was $3.99/ gal vs about $ 3.00 for 10% ethanol gas. Well worth the investment to protect my various small engines against the crap gas that we are forced to purchase from most stations.

[John Mercier]

I buy just the ''crap gas''; but I don't let it set.
If it goes unused for a while the auto with fuel injection can handle it.

Some of our small motors are decades old and seem to only need basic maintenance.

[SAB1]

I run nonethanol in my small outboard as well as my chainsaws.to many carb cleanings with ethanol.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by SAB1

I run nonethanol in my small outboard as well as my chainsaws.to many carb cleanings with ethanol.

This.

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[John Mercier]

I haven't noticed that.
I know ethanol will dissolve varnish... but all I have noted is the ethanol absorbs and surrounds water vapor... so after a while it absorbs so much it gets ''stale''. The engine then either doesn't want to turn over or stutters and runs rough.

[SAB1]

I believe the ethanol creates varnish and gums the carb up. That’s why the carbs off small outboards are put in a bath over nite to try to dissolve the varnish.

[John Mercier]

We had varnish build up on carbs prior to ethanol being added to gasoline.
Ethanol is a solvent; so it is actually used to breakdown varnish.

[LakeDad]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

We had varnish build up on carbs prior to ethanol being added to gasoline.
Ethanol is a solvent; so it is actually used to breakdown varnish.

Ethanol is used as a cheap way to raise octane and to sell pigs corn. E85/E90/E100 is a useful race fuel (cheap and high octane), but has some major drawbacks (low stoich, more fuel consumption, short storage life, hard starts).

E10/E15 attains it’s octane from a lower base octane fuel, which isn’t necessarily a problem, until you’re dealing with a vented fuel system: Now it’s a water sponge.
Put straight gas in a jar (lid open) and do the same with E10/E15. You’ll see water forming atop the E blend within hours.

Ethanol is an oxygenate, which can be useful for making power, but there are a few companies substituting Isobutenol for Ethanol: All of the benefits of Ethanol, minus the water absorption.

Gulf Marine 100 is an example. It’s not cheap!

[Lake Fan]

I was by Pier 19 a couple of weeks ago and they had a sign on their gas pumps that said "Ethanol Free". Didn't notice the price though.

[SAB1]

https://ridermagazine.com/2020/03/26...%20carburetors.

[fatlazyless]

Good thing I purchased my one single gallon of $4.09 pure gasoline for the snowblower/lawnmower/weed wacker last Sunday, at 603-Fuel, because it probably cost $5.09 by today, just one week later. The price for gasoline has shot way up in the last week.

J-1, jet aviation fuel which I suspect is ethanol free, must have seen a big price increase, too?

Vermont ..... www.158fw.ang.af.mil ..... has F-35's that should go to Ukraine ..... send Putin straight to Hell ..... the F in F-35 stands for Fighter ...... and return the price of non-ethanol gas at https://603oil.com back down to under $4/gal ..... all at the same time! ... ... hoo-yah!

[John Mercier]

I don't think ethanol has anything to do with Putin.

RBOB ''raw blend'' has ethanol as one of the possible additives.
So the non-ethanol, which doesn't included the added price of ethanol, is more likely about transport and storage.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

...... I don't think ethanol has anything to do with Putin.

Have you filled up the tank in the last two days ..... www.603oil.com on Rt 25 in Moultonborough ...... "ALERT: Due to war-time, we can no longer guarantee holding prices when orders are placed."

Reg gasoline w/ 10% ethanol is at about $4/gal. On tv, it was said to be, this is highest price since 2008.

[John Mercier]

Yes. I filled up at the Irving here in Belmont for 399.9 cents

I also invest in and watch everything from oil/natural gas drillers all the way down the supply chain. Investing in the S&P500 does that for you.

The price will keep going up until the demand drops. Same thing happened in 2008, price kept going up all summer... and people kept buying.

I think we are in the same cycle... we never learned from the last cycle.
We were in it even prior to the war...

But that would still be crude... and RBOB... but not ethanol. Ethanol is not mixed with the blend in the pipeline, it comes in separately.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

J-1, jet aviation fuel which I suspect is ethanol free, must have seen a big price increase, too?

Vermont ..... www.158fw.ang.af.mil ..... has F-35's that should go to Ukraine ..... send Putin straight to Hell ..... the F in F-35 stands for Fighter ...... and return the price of non-ethanol gas at https://603oil.com back down to under $4/gal ..... all at the same time! ... ... hoo-yah!

April 29, 2022 .... https://www.158fw.ang.af.mil/NEWS/Ar...oys-to-europe/

Hooray for the Vermont Air National Guard! ...... get in there and send those no-good, murdering, lying, dirty Russian's, all the way back to the icy cold, north pole! ...... ...... https://www.vpr.org/podcast/brave-li...sed-in-vermont ......

When there's a real horrible war happening over there in Ukraine, the big bad sound of F-35's overhead, probably sounds a lot better, above South Burlington, Vermont, right here in the U.S.A.

[John Mercier]

Ethanol gets added at the depot.
It is one of a dozen of various additives available to be blended based on proprietary licensing.

Refiners in North America are at maximum safety guidelines according to their industry experts... so if they were to gear up to make more jet fuel, it would mean less gasoline.

The US lost an estimated one million barrels per day of refining capacity in 2019/2020, so pretty much any distillate price is higher than it was prior to 2019.

[SAB1]

Originally Posted by Lake Fan

I was by Pier 19 a couple of weeks ago and they had a sign on their gas pumps that said "Ethanol Free". Didn't notice the price though.

The ethanol free sign has been removed at pier 19 this weekend. Maybe they had that for snowmobiles ?