What about the camps?

[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I'm not following you—almost all of my seniors are working because they're "essential": grocery stores, elderly homes, takeout restaurants. Wouldn't there be an influx of available local kids?

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What about the "camps"?
The girls camps - the boys camps.

1. Many of the camp counselors came from overseas.
2. Will parents be allowed to send their youngsters to a Summer camp?
And even if allowed - will they send their kids to camps?

Lots of social questions and lots of logistical questions.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

What about the "camps"?
The girls camps - the boys camps.

1. Many of the camp counselors came from overseas.
2. Will parents be allowed to send their youngsters to a Summer camp?
And even if allowed - will they send their kids to camps?

Lots of social questions and lots of logistical questions.

Definitely a lot of questions on that end—my kids are both registered for summer camps, but I'm not sure where that's gonna go.

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[sluggo]

One of my customers heads up a number of boys and girls camps in the area and I was told last week that none of his camps are opening and most likely all the camps will be closed this year up here because of the 19 and staffing issues. Interesting times !

[FlyingScot]

Based on the WMUR interview posted earlier, I can't imagine the Governor allowing camps to open. Heartbreaking if you think about those years being so awesome and so few in number for a kid

[VitaBene]

As of 4-13, the Boston Y said they were opening their camps around the Lake. Likely to change?

[rsmlp]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Based on the WMUR interview posted earlier, I can't imagine the Governor allowing camps to open. Heartbreaking if you think about those years being so awesome and so few in number for a kid

I have to agree. PLUS even campgrounds will be iffy.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

The reason I am asking is that the Mboro BOS voted to suspend the Rec Dept. summer camp program this year, which I found to be a logical move, given the pandemic. However, pushback from parents wanting their children to enjoy the summer is expected. Curious, I checked out Tecumseh and Robindel sites, both residential camps, and there was nothing about their being closed. If any of you have information, please share with us. I know that Rockywold is closed for the season.

[winni83]

Robindel is closed.

https://www.robindel.com/blog/summer-2020-update/

Tecumseh closed.

https://www.camptecumseh.net/from-the-director-2015/

Camps Lawrence and Nokomis on Bear Island also closed.

[Senter Cove Guy]

Brookwoods in Alton plans to open June 28.

[tis]

Last I heard, Belknap isn't opening and Wolfeboro Camp School is not opening.

[BrownstoneNorth]

Also In Wolfeboro, Camps Bernadette and Fatima in Wolfeboro will not be open, Birchmont plans to open but later than usual and the longest session will be 4 weeks instead of 7.

Despite how disappointing no camp this summer surely is to all who were looking forward to it, as well as the financial losses to the owners, I think that it was a mistake for Sununu to allow overnight camps to open and that the camps who decided not to open made the right decision. My son and I loved our combined 21 years as both campers and counselors, mostly in NH and Maine, but I can't imagine how a kid could have a rewarding camp experience under the current circumstances or how the camps can even function with the restrictions imposed. (There are additional restrictions on campers and counselors from out of state; air travel to camp is prohibited but campers and staff from abroad are not specifically prohibited?)*

Sununu has been fuzzy and inconsistent on many things since the beginning, including the 14-day self-quarantine “request” for out-of-staters which has appeared practically nowhere outside of NH news outlets — in other words, the intended targets wouldn't even know about it unless they're on a forum like this or in the habit of checking NH news outlets. States that were serious about restrictions on out-of-staters posted it prominently on their official websites; I scoured NH's — not on any Home Page or tab for Visitors or anywhere that a tourist would see it — and had to Google for Sununu + quarantine to find his March 28 “request.”


https://www.conwaydailysun.com/news/...52090b7a5.html

“He gave the green light to summer day camps to start June 22, with overnight children’s camps allowed to open June 28.”

This whole thing is mind-blowing:

https://www.covidguidance.nh.gov/sit...ht-camps_1.pdf

*For example:
“Camps are committed to transportation options that limit exposure of out-of-state campers and staff to their local NH communities including:
i. Direct-to-camp/direct-to-home parental/guardian transportation
ii. Only staff and campers that are able to drive to the camp and be
picked-up by car or other privately chartered ground transportation.”

“Camp administrators should be aware of the infection potential of campers and staff traveling from high infection transmission areas and are advised to consider limits to participants from these areas and/or in accord with the State and local agency requirements for regional, interstate, and international travel. If allowed, staff from these areas must quarantine in small groups (<10) for at least 14-days prior to arrival of campers or before introduction to camp and participate in pre-arrival screening.”

[Grant]

Belknap is closed -- the email went out a few weeks ago.

Ditto for its "sister" camp, Huckins, in Freedom.

A real shame for some of the smaller camps that may not have the financial wherewithal to survive.

[CubRun]

Camp Winaukee is opening for 500 kids in July . ! Disaster waiting to happen .

[Jeanzb1]

Sooooo sad for all the kids.


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[Senter Cove Guy]

Two weeks ago, Brookwoods announced that they were opening but, due to the recent final guidelines for the opening of New Hampshire residential camps, Brookwoods has decided that they will not open regular summer camp in 2020.

[thinkxingu]

This is terrible. As a scout leader, I'd hoped camps would open—and I think it was possible to have made them safe—but both the restrictions AND parental concerns made it too risky, I think.

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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

This is terrible. As a scout leader, I'd hoped camps would open—and I think it was possible to have made them safe—but both the restrictions AND parental concerns made it too risky, I think.

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Scout camps were one of the best parts of my life, but it is right to keep them closed. Not sure why you think it's possible to assemble hundreds of people from Mass, NY, etc, and have them sleeping, playing, and eating in close proximity for a month or two. In that environment, it would take only one case to infect dozens, and then have the camp close midway through.

[camp guy]

Summer camps present just too many obstacles to the social distancing idea of COVID-19 prevention. The campers and staff generally come from all over, and generally not in the immediate area of the camp in question, so this begs the question of isolation as a means of protection. The campers and staff have to actually get to the camp, traveling from wherever, but, nevertheless from somewhere and through a lot of "somewheres" just to get to camp - more exposure.

Many camp activities are all about groups (teams), and this isn't social distancing; many camps have activities that take campers and staff off the camp property to visit museums, climb mountains, paddle canoes on rivers and lakes; many camps participate in local activities in the towns where they are located, again, not social distancing. The list could go on.

Meal services at camps are almost always all at once, everyone sitting at a number of tables - no social distancing, food being passed around, arms and elbows all over the place.

Maybe a camp could develop a strict protocol of enforced social distancing, almost constant hygiene activity, and zero contact with the world beyond the four corners of the camp property - but what kind of a camp experience would that be for either the campers or the staff.

Sure, missing out on a summer of "the camp experience" will be tough for some people, but turning on the bright lights of the alternative will show that under those circumstances it would be tough (if not worse) for many people. A camp must look at the big picture, and even though it may be unpleasant, do the right thing - stay closed.

[Descant]

When I went to Boy Scout camp (Ya, Ya I know--It was a different century) It was only for a week, maybe two. We came and went as a troop and brought our own leaders, and some of our food. We did our own cooking, cleaning, etc Everybody got the Cooking Merit Badge. We relied on the main camp for swimming lessons, boating, etc. They ran inter troop competitions, and offered some "curricula" that provided variety. Mostly things that could all be social distanced, and not a random grouping of campers from all over the country. So, it s possible. Physical plant at other places, of course, is different.

Nevertheless, the above posts are correct, most camps assemble a random group, eat in large dining halls, etc., a much more difficult problem to solve.
Perhaps with less air travel, more families will go camping and teach the kids to cook on a campfire, fish, canoe, etc. There are huge numbers of local campgrounds as well as many run by the state parks, but you have to sign up early. Because of distance for out of state travelers, Umbagog tends to be easier to get reservations, and others in the north country.

[tis]

Originally Posted by camp guy

Summer camps present just too many obstacles to the social distancing idea of COVID-19 prevention. The campers and staff generally come from all over, and generally not in the immediate area of the camp in question, so this begs the question of isolation as a means of protection. The campers and staff have to actually get to the camp, traveling from wherever, but, nevertheless from somewhere and through a lot of "somewheres" just to get to camp - more exposure.

Many camp activities are all about groups (teams), and this isn't social distancing; many camps have activities that take campers and staff off the camp property to visit museums, climb mountains, paddle canoes on rivers and lakes; many camps participate in local activities in the towns where they are located, again, not social distancing. The list could go on.

Meal services at camps are almost always all at once, everyone sitting at a number of tables - no social distancing, food being passed around, arms and elbows all over the place.

Maybe a camp could develop a strict protocol of enforced social distancing, almost constant hygiene activity, and zero contact with the world beyond the four corners of the camp property - but what kind of a camp experience would that be for either the campers or the staff.

Sure, missing out on a summer of "the camp experience" will be tough for some people, but turning on the bright lights of the alternative will show that under those circumstances it would be tough (if not worse) for many people. A camp must look at the big picture, and even though it may be unpleasant, do the right thing - stay closed.

You should know if anybody should! Still it's very sad for the camps and the kids.

[CubRun]

Camp Winaukee is opening for 500 kids in July . ! Disaster waiting to happen .

[BrownstoneNorth]

Originally Posted by CubRun

Camp Winaukee is opening for 500 kids in July . ! Disaster waiting to happen .

https://www.facebook.com/campwinauke...type=3&theater


Camp Winaukee
June 4 at 12:53 PM ·
With a heavy heart, we write to inform you that Camp Winaukee will be postponed until Summer 2021. On behalf of all of us, thank you all for your support and encouragement over the past few months.
Every possible avenue to make this summer happen was exhausted. We persevered and fought and fought to solve every obstacle. In the end, there were just too many mounting battles to unequivocally operate camp safely, and be the true Winaukee that we want to be.
We hurt for our campers, we hurt for our families, we hurt for our staff...we will miss you all greatly this summer. A community cannot be postponed, and we will return home again in 2021 with a renewed sense of purpose and resilience. We are already counting down the days until we can be together again: catching the beautiful sunsets fading into Lake Winni, breathing in the fresh New Hampshire air, and laughing and sharing moments around the fire with our camp family.
Linked in our bio is a video from our amazing staff that represents the promise of an unforgettable return in summer 2021.

(Also, Camp Birchmont, which had planned as late as June 7 to open, decided not to open this summer.)

[CubRun]

We will see come July

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by CubRun

We will see come July

Curious, CubRun, we've did you get your information? A source post June 4th. Curious minds inquiring.

Dave

[CubRun]

I sent you a PM

[DBreskin]

Originally Posted by CubRun

Camp Winaukee is opening for 500 kids in July . ! Disaster waiting to happen .

We anchored off Black Island today and watched the Camp Winaukee staff preparing the bunks. Moving beds into the buildings and transporting equipment to the island via the camp barge. We asked one of the workers when they were opening and he said "soon".

[Barney Bear]

Today is the day that Camp Lawrence and Camp Nokomis would be opening on Bear Island. Sadly, camp areas were quiet as we passed by this morning. The Bear II remained lonely at the main dock at Camp Lawrence. We will miss all of the joyful activity that we see at these camps each summer. 🐻

[tis]

We felt sad today when we went by the camps knowing they won't be opening this summer. What a strange time we are going through.

[Major]

Interesting article the other day in the LDS. It looks like many of the summer camps are closed forever. Another casualty of our overreaction. I am sure in retrospect we will say it was worth it.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Major

Interesting article the other day in the LDS. It looks like many of the summer camps are closed forever. Another casualty of our overreaction. I am sure in retrospect we will say it was worth it.

Yup, and the so-called "experts & authorities" continue to collect a paycheck from the government troughs, while putting people out of business and on unemployment. I'm afraid we're getting close to the point of no return in this country (if we haven't passed it already).

[Major]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Yup, and the so-called "experts & authorities" continue to collect a paycheck from the government troughs, while putting people out of business and on unemployment. I'm afraid we're getting close to the point of no return in this country (if we haven't passed it already).

I just read that nearly 1/4 of all restaurants in Massachusetts have closed forever. Peoples lives destroyed. But hey, at least they didn't die from the certain death sentence Chinese coronavirus. Mass is being held out as an example of "how to do it right," with the third highest death rate in the country. I am so disgusted by this.

[tis]

It's so very sad. I just don't know what is going to happen to this country.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by tis

It's so very sad. I just don't know what is going to happen to this country.

Yes, very sad about the camps. Let's just hope that we open in a way that does not force us to backslide as is happening in Texas, Florida, Arizona. Lots of articles today on pandemonium in the Sunbelt that we do not need here.

[jbolty]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Yes, very sad about the camps. Let's just hope that we open in a way that does not force us to backslide as is happening in Texas, Florida, Arizona. Lots of articles today on pandemonium in the Sunbelt that we do not need here.

I think most of this so-called backsliding is a result of the riots a couple weeks ago. There are plenty of pictures of tens of thousands jammed in together and the apologists literally said "there does not appear to be any spread resulting from the riots" who believes that? The entire covid industry went into overtime moaning about a handful of people at a pool party in Missouri but did a 180 afterward.


This is from Forbes:

A report released Thursday from the Government Accountability Office levied criticism at the CDC for combining active cases of the coronavirus and positive antibody tests, which may give a misleading view of nationwide testing and spread.

It has been widely speculated that the number have been inflated and here's proof

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by jbolty

I think most of this so-called backsliding is a result of the riots a couple weeks ago. There are plenty of pictures of tens of thousands jammed in together and the apologists literally said "there does not appear to be any spread resulting from the riots" who believes that? The entire covid industry went into overtime moaning about a handful of people at a pool party in Missouri but did a 180 afterward.

Trying to keep this focused on the Lakes, but local (Republican) officials have attributed it to restaurants and bars--or at least they believe that limiting these things will turn it around.

[tis]

Obviously it will be harder for the privately owned camps to survive so that made me wonder how many are left. Any idea anybody?

[Pricestavern]

Originally Posted by Major

Interesting article the other day in the LDS. It looks like many of the summer camps are closed forever. Another casualty of our overreaction. I am sure in retrospect we will say it was worth it.

Just stop, please.

The OP was asking about the status of the camps and whether parents could/would send their kids. Later posters commiserated over the probable closings and what camp meant to them. Must it always be brought back to 'gov't overreactions', 'Dr. Fraud', etc?

Try to keep the thread on topic and keep the national politics out, please.

[Major]

Originally Posted by Pricestavern

Just stop, please.

The OP was asking about the status of the camps and whether parents could/would send their kids. Later posters commiserated over the probable closings and what camp meant to them. Must it always be brought back to 'gov't overreactions', 'Dr. Fraud', etc?

Try to keep the thread on topic and keep the national politics out, please.

No, I won't. What do you think caused the camps being closed? The Chinese coronavirus or our overreaction to the Chinese coronavirus? Did the camps make this decision out of safety or out of our governments overreaction? I would bet my last dollar that if we handled the Chinese coronavirus differently, e.g., allow healthy people to live their lives and run their businesses while protecting elderly and compromised, the camps would be open and thriving. These camps would not have given the Chinese coronavirus a second thought about safety since, as we're finding out, only elderly (average age of 82) and compromised (e.g., morbidly obese) are dying. If you don't like what I have to say then don't read my posts.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Major

No, I won't. What do you think caused the camps being closed? The Chinese coronavirus or our overreaction to the Chinese coronavirus? Did the camps make this decision out of safety or out of our governments overreaction? I would bet my last dollar that if we handled the Chinese coronavirus differently, e.g., allow healthy people to live their lives and run their businesses while protecting elderly and compromised, the camps would be open and thriving. These camps would not have given the Chinese coronavirus a second thought about safety since, as we're finding out, only elderly (average age of 82) and compromised (e.g., morbidly obese) are dying. If you don't like what I have to say then don't read my posts.

Don’t stop Major. Typical tactic with someone trying to silence the opposition. They can’t handle the truth.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Major

No, I won't. What do you think caused the camps being closed? The Chinese coronavirus or our overreaction to the Chinese coronavirus? Did the camps make this decision out of safety or out of our governments overreaction? I would bet my last dollar that if we handled the Chinese coronavirus differently, e.g., allow healthy people to live their lives and run their businesses while protecting elderly and compromised, the camps would be open and thriving. These camps would not have given the Chinese coronavirus a second thought about safety since, as we're finding out, only elderly (average age of 82) and compromised (e.g., morbidly obese) are dying. If you don't like what I have to say then don't read my posts.

Amazing that you cling to this even as Republicans all over the country have increased social distancing this past week--governors of Florida, Texas, Arizona on bars and/or restaurants; VP Pence, Sen McConnell, VP Cheney and others on masks.

It's pretty much just you, SP, and Trump who would open the camps...

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Amazing that you cling to this even as Republicans all over the country have increased social distancing this past week--governors of Florida, Texas, Arizona on bars and/or restaurants; VP Pence, Sen McConnell, VP Cheney and others on masks.

It's pretty much just you, SP, and Trump who would open the camps...

Absolutely!

[SailinAway]

I'm confused. (1) Why do so many here applaud a member who continually refers to the "so-called pandemic" as if it weren't real, when there have been 10.5 million cases worldwide and more than 500,000 deaths, with the US leading the pack with 130,000 deaths? That (US deaths) is 43 times more than the number of people who died on 9/11. It's twice as many deaths as US soldiers killed in Vietnam---with the difference that US involvement in the Vietnam War lasted 8 years (= 7250 US casualties per year) while US COVID-19 victims have died in only 5 months (= 312,000 per year)! Obviously this pandemic is far more lethal than some wars. Do you not think that denying the existence of a pandemic is a bit dangerous for society and your own survival?

(2) Is there no forum policy that would prevent someone from posting dangerous misinformation claiming that the pandemic isn't real? Isn't that sort of like claiming that cancer isn't real?

As I always say (though I'm usually not believed), I am NOT making a political statement because the virus itself is a matter of science and medicine, not politics. (The response to it is political, but the virus itself is not.) My questions are serious, not trolling. I'm baffled.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Amazing that you cling to this even as Republicans all over the country have increased social distancing this past week--governors of Florida, Texas, Arizona on bars and/or restaurants; VP Pence, Sen McConnell, VP Cheney and others on masks.

It's pretty much just you, SP, and Trump who would open the camps...

They’re not doing enough in FL...over 10k positive cases reported today. About 20% of the nation’s total. Disney to open in less than 2 weeks. Waiting to see what happens to the numbers after that. I’ve noticed an increase in mask wearing locally when I go out for essentials. I’ve been quarantining since Saturday in case I decide to head to NH. And, yes Major, you need to dial it back. You’re part of a greater society. Stop thinking just of yourself. This is exactly why Europe has banned Americans. It’s embarrassing.


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[tbonies]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

I'm confused. (1) Why do so many here applaud a member who continually refers to the "so-called pandemic" as if it weren't real, when there have been 10.5 million cases worldwide and more than 500,000 deaths, with the US leading the pack with 130,000 deaths? That (US deaths) is 43 times more than the number of people who died on 9/11. It's twice as many deaths as US soldiers killed in Vietnam---with the difference that US involvement in the Vietnam War lasted 8 years (= 7250 US casualties per year) while US COVID-19 victims have died in only 5 months (= 312,000 per year)! Obviously this pandemic is far more lethal than some wars. Do you not think that denying the existence of a pandemic is a bit dangerous for society and your own survival?

(2) Is there no forum policy that would prevent someone from posting dangerous misinformation claiming that the pandemic isn't real? Isn't that sort of like claiming that cancer isn't real?

As I always say (though I'm usually not believed), I am NOT making a political statement because the virus itself is a matter of science and medicine, not politics. (The response to it is political, but the virus itself is not.) My questions are serious, not trolling. I'm baffled.

Because you can’t teach stupid.


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[tis]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

They’re not doing enough in FL...over 10k positive cases reported today. About 20% of the nation’s total. Disney to open in less than 2 weeks. Waiting to see what happens to the numbers after that. I’ve noticed an increase in mask wearing locally when I go out for essentials. I’ve been quarantining since Saturday in case I decide to head to NH. And, yes Major, you need to dial it back. You’re part of a greater society. Stop thinking just of yourself. This is exactly why Europe has banned Americans. It’s embarrassing.

Well, gilly girl, the gov. suspended the 2 week quarantine so you can come to NH now. Sorry I just read that is only from other NE states. And they are still supposed to quarantine here for two weeks.

[webmaster]

This thread was supposed to be about summer camps.