NH Mask Mandates

ApS · 06-03-2021, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jbolty

There is not a hint of any science showing that mask wearing among the general population does anything at all to limit covid transmission, actually the opposite and causes other problems. Early on even Saint Fauci stated in an accidentaly moment of honesty that masks could do more harm than good becasue people constantly fidgit with them, touch their face a lot, wear them wrong and reuse them too much. This makes logical common sense and there is science to back it up. I challenge anyone to come up with an actual scientific study showing masks do any good in public. "it can't hurt" is not science.

A Stanford/National institute of health study details the actual facts. This will not get wide publication because the power structure wants masks to be an object of control as well as a handy thing to blame any surge in cases on. Never mind that the southern border is wide open with untested thousands flooding over and then being let loose or transported around the country. No, cases are up because people are not wearing masks. Of course the truthfulness of the actual numbers is another topic for a different discussion.

read the whole thing here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/

summary

The study concludes

It appears Dr. Fauci will lose his $417,608/year government job soon.

But you'd have to read Australian press to find that out!

gillygirl · 06-03-2021, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ApS

It appears Dr. Fauci will lose his $417,608/year government job soon.

But you'd have to read Australian press to find that out!

Link please.

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ApS · 06-03-2021, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by gillygirl

Link please.

Nope.

It's "out there" to be found.

gillygirl · 06-03-2021, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ApS

Nope.

It's "out there" to be found.

I did look. Lots of articles on the emails, nothing about him losing his job.

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thinkxingu · 06-03-2021, 03:06 PM

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I did look. Lots of articles on the emails, nothing about him losing his job.

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Hahahaha! Silly gilly, don't you know ApS has ALL the inside knowledge that's fit to...find in Australia?!

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gillygirl · 06-03-2021, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Hahahaha! Silly gilly, don't you know ApS has ALL the inside knowledge that's fit to...find in Australia?!

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Silly gilly…I like that!

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FlyingScot · 06-03-2021, 07:26 PM

Jbolty and ApS--thank you for using a citation on the mask point. I just read the link and noticed two things right away. First, the article was titled "Hypothesis" (as opposed to "study" or "trial" or similar). So the author was not asserting that masks were not helpful, only that more study was needed. Second, the article has since been retracted. So the journal has concluded that it is no longer a relevant hypothesis (because masks have been proven effective) or that the original hypothesis had fundamental flaws that were not understood prior to publication.

Personally, I'm glad I've gotten to ditch the face masks I wore for a year, and even gladder than none of my family ended up with covid.

ApS · 06-04-2021, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Hahahaha! Silly gilly, don't you know ApS has ALL the inside knowledge that's fit to...find in Australia?!

Here in the USA:

March 2020. After receiving an email about the experiments at the Wuhan lab, Fauci emails his deputy, Dr. Hugh Auchincloss:

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"It is essential that we speak this AM. Keep your cell phone on … Read this paper as well as the email that I will forward to you now. You will have tasks today that must be done.”

As Auchincloss replies, “Will try to determine if we have any distant ties to this work abroad.”

Hmmm...Paper?

Dr. Fauci's scientific paper from 2012? Referencing "Gain of Function"? Referencing a "Risk of Pandemic" from artificially accelerating the potency of a virus? Laboratory work that can't be done--by law--in the USA? Grant millions of US taxpayer-dollars to a burgeoning Communist regime?

There are many emails just disclosed by FOIA lawsuit. (Freedom of Information Act).

These must be damaging, as the NYTs and "Pravda on the Potomac" news-sources are silent (so far).

Newbiesaukee · 06-04-2021, 11:25 AM

If anyone really wants to see all of the emails here is a link to Reuters which contains links to the thousands of emails. Then choose the ones which best fit your belief system.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2NM1JC

CooperS7777 · 06-04-2021, 08:33 PM

Quite an interesting read on the efficacy of masks conducted by the University of Louisville. So far as I've been able to find, its one of the only full case studies on this issue alone.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....18.21257385v1

Newbiesaukee · 06-05-2021, 11:21 AM

This was just posted in the Journal of the American Medical Association. It deals with efficacy of masks and all the stuff we are politely discussing.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...m_medium=email

The link seems to work.

Newbiesaukee · 06-05-2021, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CooperS7777

Quite an interesting read on the efficacy of masks conducted by the University of Louisville. So far as I've been able to find, its one of the only full case studies on this issue alone.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....18.21257385v1

This is a preprint and has no peer review and states that it should not be used as a guide to clinical practice. This is not to say not to read it, but don’t bet the farm on it.

trfour · 07-08-2021, 02:24 PM

News about Mask wearing, https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...weigh-n1272890

gravy boat · 07-08-2021, 04:57 PM

It's click bait. And the usual MSM outlets are trying to scare people.

No reason to wear a mask if you're vaccinated.

However, if you are NOT vaccinated, have health issues or still are quite fearful then you can wear a mask if it makes you feel better.

fatlazyless · 07-08-2021, 05:24 PM

Marked down, high quality, black masks for sale: Plymouth Walmart has marked down two-paks of very well made black face masks from two masks/$3.97 down to the low, low price of two masks/$0.25.

This is a seriously good deal, and I loaded up by buying eight masks for $1.00.

Such a deal, and I'm starting to feel a little out of place now by wearing a mask in the Market Basket or in the Walmart, except at this low price, it was too good of a deal to not be wearing a mask since I bought them ..

:

..............WEAR A MASK.................
..............OR GO TO JAIL ................ 1918 Flu Pandemic warning posted in public locations to spread this message!

John Mercier · 07-08-2021, 07:25 PM

I guess it will all depend on what vaccine you got, what the protection rate is against the most dominate variant at the time, and how prolific that variant is in your area.

If it is 93% protection against hospitalization and death... 1 in 14 vaccinated would be the hospitalization rate in a severe outbreak.

Of course, being forced to sit at home for a couple weeks with no pay... that could hurt some. And of course, having too many employees that are either hospitalized or quarantined would be rough on businesses already short on staff.

FlyingScot · 07-08-2021, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

I guess it will all depend on what vaccine you got, what the protection rate is against the most dominate variant at the time, and how prolific that variant is in your area.

If it is 93% protection against hospitalization and death... 1 in 14 vaccinated would be the hospitalization rate in a severe outbreak.

Of course, being forced to sit at home for a couple weeks with no pay... that could hurt some. And of course, having too many employees that are either hospitalized or quarantined would be rough on businesses already short on staff.

That's not quite right on the numbers--93% efficacy in this context means that your likelihood of hospitalization is only 7% of the likelihood that an unvaxxed person has. So if an unvaxxed person has a 1 in 10 chance of hospitalization (just for example), then a vaxxed person would have only a 1 in 140 chance. Alternatively--if half of the population is vaccinated, then 13 out of every 14 people in the hospital would be unvaxxed. Get vaxxed!

John Mercier · 07-08-2021, 11:45 PM

Makes sense.

Israel is reporting lots of breakthroughs with Delta and a new Delta Plus strain.

trfour · 08-08-2021, 08:26 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr...edgdhp&pc=U531

SailinAway · 08-09-2021, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by trfour

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr...edgdhp&pc=U531

Constant links with no messages. As a public service, how about you read those articles and tell us what they say?

06-04-2021, 11:25 AM	#9
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06-05-2021, 11:21 AM	#11
Newbiesaukee Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Coral Gables, winter; Long Island, summer Posts: 1,363 Thanks: 960 Thanked 575 Times in 300 Posts	This was just posted in the Journal of the American Medical Association. It deals with efficacy of masks and all the stuff we are politely discussing. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...m_medium=email The link seems to work. __________________ "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever."

07-08-2021, 02:24 PM	#13
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fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,856 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 303 Thanked 1,039 Times in 758 Posts	...... such a super, two-pak/25-cents mask deal! Marked down, high quality, black masks for sale: Plymouth Walmart has marked down two-paks of very well made black face masks from two masks/$3.97 down to the low, low price of two masks/$0.25. This is a seriously good deal, and I loaded up by buying eight masks for $1.00. Such a deal, and I'm starting to feel a little out of place now by wearing a mask in the Market Basket or in the Walmart, except at this low price, it was too good of a deal to not be wearing a mask since I bought them .. : : ..............WEAR A MASK................. ..............OR GO TO JAIL ................ 1918 Flu Pandemic warning posted in public locations to spread this message! Last edited by fatlazyless; 07-09-2021 at 08:56 PM.

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FlyingScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Tuftonboro and Sudbury, MA Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 1,347 Thanked 1,047 Times in 651 Posts	Jbolty and ApS--thank you for using a citation on the mask point. I just read the link and noticed two things right away. First, the article was titled "Hypothesis" (as opposed to "study" or "trial" or similar). So the author was not asserting that masks were not helpful, only that more study was needed. Second, the article has since been retracted. So the journal has concluded that it is no longer a relevant hypothesis (because masks have been proven effective) or that the original hypothesis had fundamental flaws that were not understood prior to publication. Personally, I'm glad I've gotten to ditch the face masks I wore for a year, and even gladder than none of my family ended up with covid.

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CooperS7777 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 69 Thanks: 103 Thanked 20 Times in 16 Posts	Quite an interesting read on the efficacy of masks conducted by the University of Louisville. So far as I've been able to find, its one of the only full case studies on this issue alone. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....18.21257385v1

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07-08-2021, 04:57 PM	#14
gravy boat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Gilford year round, West Alton summers Posts: 596 Thanks: 601 Thanked 203 Times in 102 Posts	It's click bait. And the usual MSM outlets are trying to scare people. No reason to wear a mask if you're vaccinated. However, if you are NOT vaccinated, have health issues or still are quite fearful then you can wear a mask if it makes you feel better.

07-08-2021, 07:25 PM	#16
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,530 Thanks: 3 Thanked 629 Times in 518 Posts	I guess it will all depend on what vaccine you got, what the protection rate is against the most dominate variant at the time, and how prolific that variant is in your area. If it is 93% protection against hospitalization and death... 1 in 14 vaccinated would be the hospitalization rate in a severe outbreak. Of course, being forced to sit at home for a couple weeks with no pay... that could hurt some. And of course, having too many employees that are either hospitalized or quarantined would be rough on businesses already short on staff.

07-08-2021, 11:45 PM	#18
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,530 Thanks: 3 Thanked 629 Times in 518 Posts	Makes sense. Israel is reporting lots of breakthroughs with Delta and a new Delta Plus strain.

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