Seaplane Base and runway 19 Mile Bay Proposed

[Sundancer320]

Demo today. Standing at our dock on Chase we recorded 84 decibel peak and constant 80 decibels during the takeoff run.

[Charlie T]

Originally Posted by Sundancer320

Demo today. Standing at our dock on Chase we recorded 84 decibel peak and constant 80 decibels during the takeoff run.

What were you using for a meter to obtain these readings? What Weighting scale?

A cell phone app is the next best thing to worthless. A professional meter that is calibrated on site with a calibrator, just prior to taking the readings, is the only accurate way to take a meaningful measurement. In my work, I take acoustic sound level measurements on a regular basis to evaluate the effect of professional sound systems in residential neighborhoods. Neighbors seem to all have $20.00 amazon meters or cell phone apps which vary widely and can easily be manipulated to read what suits ones purpose either high or low.

I"m not trying to give you a hard time but simply to bring up the fact that an arbitrary reading has little meaning.

[chaseisland]

Today's test was a waste of time. No boats in the bay during the landing. Ambient weekend conditions demands numerous boats in the bay area creating numerous wakes at various angles to each other and several Captain boneheads thrown within the mix.

[Epic Seaplane Adventures]

Originally Posted by Sundancer320

Demo today. Standing at our dock on Chase we recorded 84 decibel peak and constant 80 decibels during the takeoff run.

This is good data! Thank you for posting!

[Sundancer320]

Don’t get too excited Epic... this is a reading from a couple hundred yards away with non official acoustic gear. My experience says the decibel reading would be quite a bit higher. Comparing yourself to the diesel truck in your chart doesn’t help your case.

[Epic Seaplane Adventures]

Originally Posted by Sundancer320

Don’t get too excited Epic... this is a reading from a couple hundred yards away with non official acoustic gear. My experience says the decibel reading would be quite a bit higher. Comparing yourself to the diesel truck in your chart doesn’t help your case.

Offering up that you don't live very close to where I took off from and that it was quieter than a lawnmower isn't helping your case.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Epic Seaplane Adventures

Offering up that you don't live very close to where I took off from and that it was quieter than a lawnmower isn't helping your case.

From facebook a short time ago, name withheld by me, "as a neighbor on Mirror Lake I can verify that the noise generated during take-off and landing would wake the dead. It’s loud!"

[knowit]

Epic’s arrogance at the impromptu question and answer session was way louder than 84 decibels. Speaks volumes for his character. You are not fooling anyone.

[Epic Seaplane Adventures]

Originally Posted by knowit

Epic’s arrogance at the impromptu question and answer session was way louder than 84 decibels. Speaks volumes for his character. You are not fooling anyone.

Please don't confuse confidence with arrogance. Attempting to accomplish something of worth or value is done by confident people. Attempting to prevent or inhibit is done by arrogant people. You may have enjoyed asking the question, you just did not enjoy listening. Again, im confident that if you call me up and have a conversation that you would still be unhappy with the answers. No changing people's minds that just want "plane be gone". Have a great day. And besides, it wasn't an impromptu question session, it was specifically a Seaplane demonstration for the town selectman to consider having the dock posts lowered. I think the few agitators there heard the Chairman say that loud and clear.

[CowTimes]

Characterizing all those opposed to your attempt to run a seaplane business from town property as “agitators” is the definition of arrogance. There are lots of legitimate reasons why this is a horrible idea for 19 mile bay, including safety, noise, zoning, improper use of public property, among many others. You are living in your own universe—indeed, you are the only one that is affirmatively advocating for your proposal, which is unsurprising since it is a thinly veiled attempt for you to run a business from town property without addressing zoning, licensing, or substantial liability issues for the town. This is not about just lowering dock posts. The only reason you want to lower dock posts and went to get runway approval was because you need that to run paying customers from Union Wharf. The board of selectmen clearly understands what is going on here. They have repeatedly said—including at this year’s Islander’s Association meeting—that this “proposal” is going nowhere anytime soon, and there will be public hearings before anything like this is even considered, and all that will not happen until after Union Wharf is rebuilt in a year a two. Good luck pushing your own personal, pecuniary agenda at public hearings where you characterize everyone with legitimate opposition as agitators that should just be dismissed out of hand. The board of selectmen see the overwhelming opposition from their constituents and have no reason to defy the clear will of the community for you.

[Sundancer320]

Originally Posted by Epic Seaplane Adventures

Offering up that you don't live very close to where I took off from and that it was quieter than a lawnmower isn't helping your case.

Lawnmower? You’ve reached another level of arrogance.

[Epic Seaplane Adventures]

Originally Posted by Sundancer320

Lawnmower? You’ve reached another level of arrogance.

I am not the one who posted the decibel levels. Now you are trying to unwind your post...

[LIforrelaxin]

So all this discussion about noise... Makes me think about the boat noise debate.... some fun information on this subject...

1. When sound is at 85 decibels for a duration of a work shift (8 hours) OHSA requires hearing protection
2. how loud is your average construction site -- around 100 decibels
3. how load is a conversation between two individuals sitting at a table --- around 60 decibels...

With this said, those who argue over noise pollution, as a reason not to allow a personal sea plane to go in and out of the town dock... better not be yelling, or having any work done....

Over all people tend to be too worked up over this.... I understand both sides, I have talked with EPIC.... I see where he stands and honestly he is well within his rights. Now if you want to argue over other elements of getting the seaplane base designation, you really need to be talking to the Pier 19 store owner, is is far more able or likely to actually do something with the approval if it happens.

[John Mercier]

Stationary dB testing with calibrated equipment set to an A-Weighting at 20 inches from the exhaust really isn't comparable to a moving object at unknown distance.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

.... I understand both sides, I have talked with EPIC.... I see where he stands and honestly he is well within his rights. Now if you want to argue over other elements of getting the seaplane base designation, you really need to be talking to the Pier 19 store owner, is is far more able or likely to actually do something with the approval if it happens.

Nobody is trying to infringe upon Epic's rights--he is free to fly his plane. He has asked for things, such as dock modifications, that the town may grant. But he does not have a right to those things.

All people have a right to express their opinion. Epic has criticized people vehemently for exercising those rights.

So I think you have the rights thing backwards.

[TheTimeTraveler]

I wonder if 19 Mile Bay is actually a smokescreen? Maybe the Town will tell him to pay for and build a dock at 20 Mile Bay instead. This way no one can complain about altering or using the existing dock.

Plenty of parking available on the north bound side of Route 109.

I wonder if this could be the perfect solution?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler

I wonder if 19 Mile Bay is actually a smokescreen? Maybe the Town will tell him to pay for and build a dock at 20 Mile Bay instead. This way no one can complain about altering or using the existing dock.

Plenty of parking available on the north bound side of Route 109.

I wonder if this could be the perfect solution?

Same issue--just different people involved. 20 Mile Bay is a public beach. Giving away a public beach to a business is no different than giving away dock space.

[Seaplane Pilot]

New seaplane service just announced between Boston and New York. No problem with seaplanes in either of these locations, but of course 19 Mike Bay in Tuftonboro, NH is a lot busier than Boston Harbor and New York’s East River….

https://onemileatatime.com/news/tail...ts-boston-nyc/

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

New seaplane service just announced between Boston and New York. No problem with seaplanes in either of these locations, but of course 19 Mike Bay in Tuftonboro, NH is a lot busier than Boston Harbor and New York’s East River….

https://onemileatatime.com/news/tail...ts-boston-nyc/

You are correct--19 Mile Bay is a lot busier than either--on the weekend there are many more boats and people per acre of water surface. If you doubt this, take a flight to visit all three this Saturday, and let us know which location is easiest to find open water for your landing

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

You are correct--19 Mile Bay is a lot busier than either--on the weekend there are many more boats and people per acre of water surface. If you doubt this, take a flight to visit all three this Saturday, and let us know which location is easiest to find open water for your landing

Want to come with me? I can assure you that 19 Mile is not a problem even on the busiest days. As I've said before, Lakes Region Seaplane Tours operated out of Paugus Bay for several years (as did their predecessors), and again there was never a problem. Just another case of NIMBY against some guy trying to make an effort to open a business on State / Public waters.

[BrunoSR]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Want to come with me? I can assure you that 19 Mile is not a problem even on the busiest days. As I've said before, Lakes Region Seaplane Tours operated out of Paugus Bay for several years (as did their predecessors), and again there was never a problem. Just another case of NIMBY against some guy trying to make an effort to open a business on State / Public waters.

Just a question, did Lakes Region Sea Plane Tours use public or private docks to pick up and drop off their customers?

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by BrunoSR

Just a question, did Lakes Region Sea Plane Tours use public or private docks to pick up and drop off their customers?

Private, as far as I know. I have no dog in the fight, and have no interest in the dock usage at 19 mile. My interest is in the (bogus) argument that 19 mile bay is too busy for seaplane ops.

[marinewife]

There was constant noise almost every half hour recently at dinner time from a seaplane taking off/landing this past week in the Mirror Lake community- if that's what will happen at 19 Mile Bay, people will be mighty upset.

If people wanted to live near an airport, it probably wouldn't bother them- otherwise, I imagine there will be some pushback.

To my recollection, the original premise from the owner was to build his business up because of Covid concerns in case his main job dissolved. We haven't heard whether his original concerns have vanished, but I have seen a common thread/response by him to anyone who opposes his plans.

If the Forum Admin was able to research the sign-in names of several that are 'pro-Epic', it appears that the same person is behind them.

I believe that Tuftonboro residents are willing to go to bat against the proposal.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by marinewife

There was constant noise almost every half hour recently at dinner time from a seaplane taking off/landing this past week in the Mirror Lake community- if that's what will happen at 19 Mile Bay, people will be mighty upset.

If people wanted to live near an airport, it probably wouldn't bother them- otherwise, I imagine there will be some pushback.

To my recollection, the original premise from the owner was to build his business up because of Covid concerns in case his main job dissolved. We haven't heard whether his original concerns have vanished, but I have seen a common thread/response by him to anyone who opposes his plans.

If the Forum Admin was able to research the sign-in names of several that are 'pro-Epic', it appears that the same person is behind them.

I believe that Tuftonboro residents are willing to go to bat against the proposal.

I can't speak for any others that are "pro-Epic", but I can tell you for sure, that I have one sign-in name only. I don't know Epic, but what gets me upset is the NIMBY crowd trying to stop appropriate use of State waters. I don't care about the dock issue - that's Epic's problem. As far as the noise is concerned, where's the outrage over all the wake boats blasting hideous music at all hours of the day?

[BrunoSR]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Private, as far as I know. I have no dog in the fight, and have no interest in the dock usage at 19 mile. My interest is in the (bogus) argument that 19 mile bay is too busy for seaplane ops.

I have no dog in the fight either. I rent a dock on the other side of the lake, though we do drop a hook in both 19 and 20 mile bays for lunch.

I don't believe the people that are against it, think there isn't enough space for both boat and plane out on the water. It's at the dock that is an issue. Of course I could be totally wrong.

Maybe he should buy or rent a slip and run a launch between dock and boat.... just an idea.