Current Covid situation in New Hampshire

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

You seem to be insisting on analytical perfection where none is possible, and simultaneously ignoring a huge amount of data that all point in the same direction. Here's a similar article with more cuts at at it. The most powerful things are that it also shows at the county level, it's ramping up over time, and it's entirely consistent with behavior and politics we all acknowledge. In this one, even Breitbart is recognizing the trend

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/b...cinations.html

Then it is simply a guess.
I did not get a vaccine because how I voted. I got one because the analysis was that the risk of the vaccine was far less than the risk of covid, and the financial impact was zero versus possible disaster.

I think the analysis is largely worthless. It seems that death is more likely to occur when a rise in infection occurs, and that is most likely to happen people are cattled together.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Then it is simply a guess.

I did not get a vaccine because how I voted. I got one because the analysis was that the risk of the vaccine was far less than the risk of covid, and the financial impact was zero versus possible disaster.

I think the analysis is largely worthless. It seems that death is more likely to occur when a rise in infection occurs, and that is most likely to happen people are cattled together.

Hogwash.

"Red" states are red because the majority of the residents share similar philosophies, among them the principals of freedom, government distrust/limits, and a hesitance to choose science over religion/traditional beliefs—all predictors of behavior revolving around Covid masking, vaccination, and physical distancing.

There's absolutely nothing surprising, then, that people in red states have a higher likelihood of getting harmed/dying from Covid...for the short term.

There is evidence, that follows the same principals as above, to show that natural immunity is increasing and the gap between red and blue will decrease to whatever the difference is between antibody and vaccine protection.

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[fatlazyless]

The excitement of shopping at the Walmart in Plymouth has recently been enhanced with loud speaker announcements that welcome their customers to get Covid vaccinations at the Walmart Pharmacy.

Save money. Live better. Shop at Walmart and NOW get vaccinated at the Walmart in Plymouth, NH. .... ..... HOO-YAH!

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"I will not reveal my status whether I have been vaccinated or not." ...... Novak Djokovic , #1 tennis player and worth about 220-million dollars, talking to a Serbian newspaper interview ..... Oct 20, 2021

Something tells me he really has been vaccinated but does not want to offend those in Serbia who chose not to be vaccinated.


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[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

The excitement of shopping at the Walmart in Plymouth has recently been enhanced with loud speaker announcements that welcome their customers to get Covid vaccinations at the Walmart Pharmacy.

Save money. Live better. Shop at Walmart and NOW get vaccinated at the Walmart in Plymouth, NH. .... ..... HOO-YAH!

.............

"I will not reveal my status whether I have been vaccinated or not." ...... Novak Djokovic , #1 tennis player and worth about 220-million dollars, talking to a Serbian newspaper interview ..... Oct 20, 2021

Something tells me he really has been vaccinated but does not want to offend those in Serbia who chose not to be vaccinated.


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No Worries! just wait by Customer Service and they call the Store Greeter over to give you the jab.

What could possibly go wrong?

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Hogwash.

"Red" states are red because the majority of the residents share similar philosophies, among them the principals of freedom, government distrust/limits, and a hesitance to choose science over religion/traditional beliefs—all predictors of behavior revolving around Covid masking, vaccination, and physical distancing.

There's absolutely nothing surprising, then, that people in red states have a higher likelihood of getting harmed/dying from Covid...for the short term.

There is evidence, that follows the same principals as above, to show that natural immunity is increasing and the gap between red and blue will decrease to whatever the difference is between antibody and vaccine protection.

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But not everyone in a ''red'' State is Republican.

Take the recent local elections for example.
Laconia has an all Republican delegation to the Legislature... local chosen.
But Dawn Johnson, one of those legislators, was soundly beaten by Andrew Hosmer.
In most States and regions, the parties are winning by narrow margins. So ''red'' or ''blue'' sometimes represents on very small number of voters compared to the total... and that does not even take into account the rather large number of qualified voters that do not vote.

Without firm statistics, we are just guessing. The next wave could hit New England very hard... and New England... except for one Senate seat is ''blue''.

We also know that cities tend to be more Democrat supportive than rural areas... we see that in every election.

So even though more people in the cities might be vaccinated, if they herd together they increase the chances of breakthroughs. Where a very rural person might never come into contact with the virus.

Very hard to paint a whole population with a brush without definitive data.

[trfour]

Ouch; https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...detox-rcna4859

[mswlogo]

Oh deer. This news is also 3 months ago.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/04/covid-...opulation/amp/

[Newbiesaukee]

Originally Posted by trfour

Ouch; https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...detox-rcna4859

A truly unbelievable low in stupidity and ignorance. It’s harmless but that’s really beside the point.

[trfour]

Originally Posted by Newbiesaukee

A truly unbelievable low in stupidity and ignorance. It’s harmless but that’s really beside the point.

Hi Newbiesaukee, this is why we are still in the Covid-19 Pandemic. NO guessing!

NOT the world most of us were brought Up in.
Stay well, my friend.
Love,
Terry

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by trfour

This is why we are still in the Covid-19 Pandemic. NO guessing! NOT the world most of us were brought Up in.

Trfour, I understand what you're saying about the world we were brought up in and obviously you're right. But in the world we were brought up in, the seeds of today's crises had already been planted. We just didn't realize it at the time. For baby boomers, everything seemed wonderful in the 1950s postwar economic boom. Our parents had jobs and could afford to own a house. People seemed to act rationally. There was far less antisocial behavior. Neighbors didn't come to blows about politics. We had respect for one another. Government mandates were reasonable and we followed them willingly.

What we didn't realize at the time:

1. The economic boom that made our lives so much better depended on overexploition of the earth's resources that would lead to pollution, deforestation, carbon in the atmostphere, global warming, etc.
2. Economic progress created a new class of super wealthy people at the expense of the other classes. That division would eventually mean that things like home ownership would one day be out of reach for many.
3. We had in no way solved the racial injustice that this country was founded on, that would later lead to almost irreparable divisions.
4. We were failing to train children and adolescents to live in a society with others. We got rid of religion in schools but didn't replace it with any other kind training in self-control and moral conduct.
5. We were not doing anything to correct the U.S.'s reliance on war as our main foreign policy strategy.

The perception that things were safe and good in the 1950s held true only if you belonged to specific groups who had access to the benefits of the economic boom and democracy. Millions of people did not and they would soon start raising their voices.

All of those unaddressed conditions were intensifying in the 1950s and they led up to the stunning crises of 2020: refusal to adopt rational behaviors during the Covid crisis, the economic crisis, race riots, the unfathomable near-collapse of our democracy, lawlessness and the climate crisis. Had we been studying events since the 1950s and projecting their logical outcomes, we might not have been so surprised. What is the logical outcome of the fact that today, 60% of the world's population (41% in the U.S.) is unvaccinated and the virus has ways of outsmarting us?

The explanation for this state of affairs is simple: our systems of government, the economy, education, and social organization as designed and practiced are insufficient to bring about the things we say we want (life, liberty, happiness, prosperity etc.), but we are either unwilling or unable to envision and enact systems that would work better for us. We cling to things we hold sacred even when 250 years of history reveals them to be inadequate. The world changes as a result of our actions in it, but we fail to evolve in our thinking and ways of being. That's irrational, and humans at bottom are not programmed for the complexities of modern rationality.

[John Mercier]

#2 and #4 are BS.
Real life experience tells us that.

People are seeking larger and more expensive homes than in the 1950's... even with smaller families; and more money is spent on ''toys'' leaving less money and time for the basics like a small, well built, and cared for home.

Religion can still be found in religiously-based private schools, and the ''citizens'' that they are turning out are no better than what the non-religious public schools are.

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

#2 and #4 are BS. Real life experience tells us that.

Here's my real-life experience about #2, regarding the possibility of home ownership. In 1957 my father earned about $6000 a year as an electrician and he bought a house costing $11,000, meaning less than twice his yearly salary. I bought my current house in 1994. Today I would never be able to afford to buy my current house (a very modest house built in the 1920s), because it would cost at least 6 times my annual salary---an example of loss of prosperity between generations over the last 60 years. My father retired with an adequate pension. Today 60% of Americans have NO pension.

You put your finger on the problem: there are no "small, well built, and cared for homes" on the market due to the greed of home builders, especially here in the Lake's Region, and society's failure to understand that adequate housing is a public need, not a privilege of the wealthy.

Investopedia: "The middle class is shrinking due to an increase in population at the extreme bottom and top of the economic spectrum." This is a well-studied fact.

Regarding #4, training children and adolescents to live in a society with others, I didn't mean that we should bring religion back into schools or that religion could solve our social problems. I meant that schools are overly focused on knowledge and not focused at all on social skills. Knowledge doesn't help when you're turning out angry, selfish kids with no self-control who feel no obligation to anyone but themselves. At bottom, refusing to get vaccinated, wear a mask, and practice social distancing are antisocial actions symptomatic of a society that cares little about its own members.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

But not everyone in a ''red'' State is Republican.

Take the recent local elections for example.
Laconia has an all Republican delegation to the Legislature... local chosen.
But Dawn Johnson, one of those legislators, was soundly beaten by Andrew Hosmer.
In most States and regions, the parties are winning by narrow margins. So ''red'' or ''blue'' sometimes represents on very small number of voters compared to the total... and that does not even take into account the rather large number of qualified voters that do not vote.

Without firm statistics, we are just guessing. The next wave could hit New England very hard... and New England... except for one Senate seat is ''blue''.

We also know that cities tend to be more Democrat supportive than rural areas... we see that in every election.

So even though more people in the cities might be vaccinated, if they herd together they increase the chances of breakthroughs. Where a very rural person might never come into contact with the virus.

Very hard to paint a whole population with a brush without definitive data.

These are great points, but I think you may have missed the last link I posted--it shows that the variance extends to the county level (so the urban vs rural point is addressed) and that "redder" areas are harder hit than less red areas (so the small margin point is addressed). Your point about the cities is also on target, but of course that would tend to increase infections among Democrats (so the trends towrd more Republican infections are even more significant)