Nonsense

[Crusty]

I've been following this thread, and I'm sure that Smith Point Boater is concerned that the topic has wandered off subject.

My personal concern with secession is that, if NH skiing were to require international travel, frequent ski weekends would become impossible.

Fortunately today, I saw a video that simplifies considerations of where to ski. With my problem solved, you secessionists may proceed with my blessing.

https://www.facebook.com/donnie.phil...59747377377030

[John Mercier]

It never wandered very far off topic.
The discussion is about the history of secession to determine whether it was plausible. For NH, it simply isn't.

The mechanism for peaceful secession was followed... but the promoters forgot to prepare a pathway forward.

That is not unusual in NH.

A growing concern underlying most of what occurs is political in nature... but both sides have gleamed it. It is largely scapegoating the federal government for the failure to act at the State, county, local, and individual levels. Something that the general population is not really willing to do.

[smith point boater]

It may not have fully wandered off topic but definitely took a stroll thru history and areas of the constitution. My only concern is that this secession foolishness stops and we can get back to discussing topics regarding the lake, boating jet skiing etc

[John Mercier]

I doubt that it will end... but at least be set aside for the time being.

[Descant]

In my mind a plan better than secession would be for the six New England states to have a more united front. With 12 Senators, and
the large number of Reps from all six, we could carry some weight against the big states of NY and California. Unfortunately, secession is perhaps the simpler task, and we know that won't work. In the current Congress, we should be doing a better job of aligning states with like priorities instead of political party alignments.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Descant

In my mind a plan better than secession would be for the six New England states to have a more united front. With 12 Senators, and
the large number of Reps from all six, we could carry some weight against the big states of NY and California. Unfortunately, secession is perhaps the simpler task, and we know that won't work. In the current Congress, we should be doing a better job of aligning states with like priorities instead of political party alignments.

To their credit--Governors Baker and Sununu, and Senators Hassan and Shaheen, all have this kind of mindset, even if they don't agree on everything. More focused on governing and what's best for the broad middle, less focused on ridiculous fringe political agendas

[John Mercier]

New England does carry weight; and has a somewhat united front.
Just not in the direction that Sylvia and the others want.

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The way I see it at least it sends a message to our government.

[John Mercier]

That we are ignorant?

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BTW- this secession thing is not of the likes of the Civil War. It is more like a peaceful Brexit.

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

That we are ignorant?

Speak for yourself.

[John Mercier]

So you didn't pay attention to anything in the post?

Resident on Medicare are not going to vote for secession.
Homeowners that have federal insured mortgages are not going to vote for secession.

So on, and so on.

We haven't even gotten to the question of how much debt NH would have to take with it... and what the import/export tariffs would be... and how many private businesses with govt contracts would need to shutter plants in the State.

Then you could have the secession of municipalities back into the US and so on... a complete disaster... based solely on ignorance.

[LakeDad]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

So you didn't pay attention to anything in the post?

Resident on Medicare are not going to vote for secession.
Homeowners that have federal insured mortgages are not going to vote for secession.

So on, and so on.

We haven't even gotten to the question of how much debt NH would have to take with it... and what the import/export tariffs would be... and how many private businesses with govt contracts would need to shutter plants in the State.

Then you could have the secession of municipalities back into the US and so on... a complete disaster... based solely on ignorance.

People talk secession, but almost never understand what it really means and certainly don’t have the gaul to take the consequences that come with it.

Most can’t see past the most basic contradictions and logical fallacies in their views and they only support the side of freedom that supports THEIR view, even if their view on a separate topic is conflicting.

It’s just a torch party.


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[winniwannabe]

Has anything come of NH seceding? I haven't seen anything about it and
didn't know where the bill ended up.

[Merrymeeting]

It was overwhelmingly voted down last week

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics...-united-states

[winniwannabe]

Sounds like they got it right.

[John Mercier]

It took Quebec decades to put itself in a position that it might have been able to separate from Canada... and then it decided not to.

NH can't even feed itself at this time. Most of our energy is shipped in.
I think it would take us decades if not longer to shift the balance of the basics back to domestic (in-state) production... so in either case we would be heavily dependent on the Union.

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Originally Posted by winniwannabe

Has anything come of NH seceding? I haven't seen anything about it and
didn't know where the bill ended up.

It was to give people the opportunity to vote on it- to get it on the ballot.

Anyway, as expected the bill was defeated.

[smith point boater]

As the OP just wanted to thank everyone for their thoughts and opinions. As others have said I'm glad this bill was scrubbed.

That being said while I surely believe in everyones right to free speech and their opinions I don't appreciate an elected group of officials wasting OUR time and money (they work for us) on an issue that is a personal idea ( and as originally noted is utter nonsense) and not something that their constituents asked for. They are supposed to represent us.

I do not generally get involved in politics but I will be working to support the opposing candidates for this group of officials when their terms come up for reelection

[John Mercier]

For Belmont, it is just a matter of finding someone that wants the seat.
The Democrats always run people that are zanier than even Sylvia.