Ethanol Free Gasoline

[SAB1]

I believe the ethanol creates varnish and gums the carb up. That’s why the carbs off small outboards are put in a bath over nite to try to dissolve the varnish.

[John Mercier]

We had varnish build up on carbs prior to ethanol being added to gasoline.
Ethanol is a solvent; so it is actually used to breakdown varnish.

[LakeDad]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

We had varnish build up on carbs prior to ethanol being added to gasoline.
Ethanol is a solvent; so it is actually used to breakdown varnish.

Ethanol is used as a cheap way to raise octane and to sell pigs corn. E85/E90/E100 is a useful race fuel (cheap and high octane), but has some major drawbacks (low stoich, more fuel consumption, short storage life, hard starts).

E10/E15 attains it’s octane from a lower base octane fuel, which isn’t necessarily a problem, until you’re dealing with a vented fuel system: Now it’s a water sponge.
Put straight gas in a jar (lid open) and do the same with E10/E15. You’ll see water forming atop the E blend within hours.

Ethanol is an oxygenate, which can be useful for making power, but there are a few companies substituting Isobutenol for Ethanol: All of the benefits of Ethanol, minus the water absorption.

Gulf Marine 100 is an example. It’s not cheap!

[Lake Fan]

I was by Pier 19 a couple of weeks ago and they had a sign on their gas pumps that said "Ethanol Free". Didn't notice the price though.

[SAB1]

https://ridermagazine.com/2020/03/26...%20carburetors.

[fatlazyless]

Good thing I purchased my one single gallon of $4.09 pure gasoline for the snowblower/lawnmower/weed wacker last Sunday, at 603-Fuel, because it probably cost $5.09 by today, just one week later. The price for gasoline has shot way up in the last week.

J-1, jet aviation fuel which I suspect is ethanol free, must have seen a big price increase, too?

Vermont ..... www.158fw.ang.af.mil ..... has F-35's that should go to Ukraine ..... send Putin straight to Hell ..... the F in F-35 stands for Fighter ...... and return the price of non-ethanol gas at https://603oil.com back down to under $4/gal ..... all at the same time! ... ... hoo-yah!

[John Mercier]

I don't think ethanol has anything to do with Putin.

RBOB ''raw blend'' has ethanol as one of the possible additives.
So the non-ethanol, which doesn't included the added price of ethanol, is more likely about transport and storage.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

...... I don't think ethanol has anything to do with Putin.

Have you filled up the tank in the last two days ..... www.603oil.com on Rt 25 in Moultonborough ...... "ALERT: Due to war-time, we can no longer guarantee holding prices when orders are placed."

Reg gasoline w/ 10% ethanol is at about $4/gal. On tv, it was said to be, this is highest price since 2008.

[John Mercier]

Yes. I filled up at the Irving here in Belmont for 399.9 cents

I also invest in and watch everything from oil/natural gas drillers all the way down the supply chain. Investing in the S&P500 does that for you.

The price will keep going up until the demand drops. Same thing happened in 2008, price kept going up all summer... and people kept buying.

I think we are in the same cycle... we never learned from the last cycle.
We were in it even prior to the war...

But that would still be crude... and RBOB... but not ethanol. Ethanol is not mixed with the blend in the pipeline, it comes in separately.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Yes. I filled up at the Irving here in Belmont for 399.9 cents

I also invest in and watch everything from oil/natural gas drillers all the way down the supply chain. Investing in the S&P500 does that for you.

The price will keep going up until the demand drops. Same thing happened in 2008, price kept going up all summer... and people kept buying.

I think we are in the same cycle... we never learned from the last cycle.
We were in it even prior to the war...

But that would still be crude... and RBOB... but not ethanol. Ethanol is not mixed with the blend in the pipeline, it comes in separately.

Wow 399.9 is a little high don’t you think? . Do you expect people to stay home and cancel vacations and not use boats pwc’s ect just to reduce summer demand ? I think not.


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[John Mercier]

I don't expect them to. They didn't in 2008.

When I was talking to people in 2008... they knew that I and others were heavily investing in all aspects of the oil industry from drilling to gas stations/etc.

They told me that to handle the cost, rather than not consume, they withdrew retirement funds, delayed paying their mortgage, delayed paying taxes, cancelled insurance... lots of things, but never stopped consuming.

As an investor... I am expecting that same behavior pattern.

We're seeing huge jumps in construction materials and labor... haven't seen a slowdown their either.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Wow 399.9 is a little high don’t you think? . Do you expect people to stay home and cancel vacations and not use boats pwc’s ect just to reduce summer demand ? I think not.


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Most cars and small suv's have a gas tank capacity of about 12-gallons/$48, while full size pickup trucks have a gas tank capacity of about 25-gallons/$100 with a $4/gal price, today on March 7, 2022.

One hundred dollars to fill up the tank on your F-150 ....... ouchy-ouch-ouch-ouch! ...... how high will it go? ...... does anybody even know? ..... helloooo gasoline price, pay-at-the-pump price hike shock.

Diesel ..... for big trucks ..... what's the latest price for diesel in New Hampshire ..... yikes?

[tis]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Most cars and small suv's have a gas tank capacity of about 12-gallons/$48, while full size pickup trucks have a gas tank capacity of about 25-gallons/$100 with a $4/gal price, today on March 7, 2022.

One hundred dollars to fill up the tank on your F-150 ....... ouchy-ouch-ouch-ouch! ...... how high will it go? ...... does anybody even know? ..... helloooo gasoline price, pay-at-the-pump price hike shock.

Diesel ..... for big trucks ..... what's the latest price for diesel in New Hampshire ..... yikes?

And some stations cut you off at $75.00

[SAB1]

Originally Posted by tis

And some stations cut you off at $75.00

and that is frustrating…..

[tis]

Originally Posted by SAB1

and that is frustrating…..

Sab, do you know why they do that? To save on their inventory or does their cc company require them to do it? Or something else?

[SAB1]

I don’t know the answer but I don’t think it’s the cc company as some stations I’ve had shut off at 100. Yesterday I was in Augusta and it shut off at 75

[SAB1]

Come to think of I filled up in Orono Thursday and the pump didn’t stop till full and that was $108.

[FlyingScot]

In the 70s, when OPEC shocked the world, demand was inelastic in the short term--people had to keep buying gas. But demand was very elastic in the longer term as efficiency measures kicked in.

Impossible to know how long this price jump will last, but the real solution to being at the whim of Russia, OPEC, etc to to get off of fossil fuels in ways that are relatively easy. Insulation, solar panels, electric cars--for many people, these are easy to do and give a great financial return

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

J-1, jet aviation fuel which I suspect is ethanol free, must have seen a big price increase, too?

Vermont ..... www.158fw.ang.af.mil ..... has F-35's that should go to Ukraine ..... send Putin straight to Hell ..... the F in F-35 stands for Fighter ...... and return the price of non-ethanol gas at https://603oil.com back down to under $4/gal ..... all at the same time! ... ... hoo-yah!

April 29, 2022 .... https://www.158fw.ang.af.mil/NEWS/Ar...oys-to-europe/

Hooray for the Vermont Air National Guard! ...... get in there and send those no-good, murdering, lying, dirty Russian's, all the way back to the icy cold, north pole! ...... ...... https://www.vpr.org/podcast/brave-li...sed-in-vermont ......

When there's a real horrible war happening over there in Ukraine, the big bad sound of F-35's overhead, probably sounds a lot better, above South Burlington, Vermont, right here in the U.S.A.

[John Mercier]

Ethanol gets added at the depot.
It is one of a dozen of various additives available to be blended based on proprietary licensing.

Refiners in North America are at maximum safety guidelines according to their industry experts... so if they were to gear up to make more jet fuel, it would mean less gasoline.

The US lost an estimated one million barrels per day of refining capacity in 2019/2020, so pretty much any distillate price is higher than it was prior to 2019.

[SAB1]

Originally Posted by Lake Fan

I was by Pier 19 a couple of weeks ago and they had a sign on their gas pumps that said "Ethanol Free". Didn't notice the price though.

The ethanol free sign has been removed at pier 19 this weekend. Maybe they had that for snowmobiles ?