Food Cost

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

And yet...things weren't ALWAYS this way. Growing up as a boomer i don't recall my folks complaining the way people do now: what changed?

Two things are striking - health care and housing costs. Both, for whatever reason, take up a significantly larger percent of my salary than my parents' salary. And, over the past 30 years or so, both property tax and health care costs have grown at a higher rate than my salary. Same is true of cars. My first good, dependable used car back in the mid 80's cost less of a percentage of my part time job than what my kids are looking at today.

That said, health care covers more, cars have more safety features and computerized components, and houses have grown in size.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Garcia

Two things are striking - health care and housing costs. Both, for whatever reason, take up a significantly larger percent of my salary than my parents' salary. And, over the past 30 years or so, both property tax and health care costs have grown at a higher rate than my salary. Same is true of cars. My first good, dependable used car back in the mid 80's cost less of a percentage of my part time job than what my kids are looking at today.

That said, health care covers more, cars have more safety features and computerized components, and houses have grown in size.

I disagree on the health care, I think they cover less.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I disagree on the health care, I think they cover less.

We need to remember that many of the most expensive treatments today did not exist decades ago. Cancer, heart disease, etc, have plenty of super expensive life-extending treatments today that were not part of the equation before--people just died. Then toss in more obesity, stress, etc, and insurance costs are up again.

Not saying the insurers are good guys--they're often heartless bastards--only that they are spending more per person due to medical advances and lifestyle declines

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

We need to remember that many of the most expensive treatments today did not exist decades ago. Cancer, heart disease, etc, have plenty of super expensive life-extending treatments today that were not part of the equation before--people just died. Then toss in more obesity, stress, etc, and insurance costs are up again.

Not saying the insurers are good guys--they're often heartless bastards--only that they are spending more per person due to medical advances and lifestyle declines

A very good friend of mine just had a triple bypass 6 months ago, he also has diabetes and Parkinsons and his wife has health issues also. They told us at dinner a few weeks ago that they spend $2800 a month on drugs, He turns 72 tomorrow and his wife just turned 68. Their Medicare supplement costs them $286 per month.

[retired]

We had a fantastic shrimp scampi dinner for two the other night for about $10. Even had leftovers for lunch. Cooked it myself at home. Why go out to eat and pay those ridiculous prices when you can eat much better, cheaper and healthier at home?

[Tofu]

Originally Posted by retired

We had a fantastic shrimp scampi dinner for two the other night for about $10. Even had leftovers for lunch. Cooked it myself at home. Why go out to eat and pay those ridiculous prices when you can eat much better, cheaper and healthier at home?

Because of Laziness and Convenience of TODAY'S SOCIETY. What is this saying about the future of our children ??

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by Tofu

Because of Laziness and Convenience of TODAY'S SOCIETY. What is this saying about the future of our children ??

They are the ones that started the cooking at home trend.

I had several as customers over the years.
White vinyl windows with a focus on the energy efficiency and warranty.

They would literally order all the windows the same size double hung egress, and a few for the kitchen and bath of a different size.

Colonial six panel doors with rot-proof frames and ball bearing hinges, same for the back but in a nine lite version.

They spend a lot of time taking basic ingredients, basic building material, heck anything off-the-shelf and then just sprucing it up.

[Tofu]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

They are the ones that started the cooking at home trend.

I had several as customers over the years.
White vinyl windows with a focus on the energy efficiency and warranty.

They would literally order all the windows the same size double hung egress, and a few for the kitchen and bath of a different size.

Colonial six panel doors with rot-proof frames and ball bearing hinges, same for the back but in a nine lite version.

They spend a lot of time taking basic ingredients, basic building material, heck anything off-the-shelf and then just sprucing it up.

I'm sure their cardboard counter tops where delicious yet a little tough swallowing. This new age is all about doordash, grubhub, and any other easy fix for them without the thought of the cost. I'm talking the REAL WORLD not just little Laconia. Home Cooking started with parents who COULD NOT AFFORD to take their 3 kids out to dinner. Now Credit Cards pay for the CONVIENCE. Maybe coming down a couple of notches to actual reality (the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them ) might see the forest thru the trees.

[John Mercier]

They're going for happiness.

According to the financials, DoorDash is not profitable and GrubHub is seeing a revenue decline... so the change is probably going every where.

[Tofu]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

They're going for happiness.

According to the financials, DoorDash is not profitable and GrubHub is seeing a revenue decline... so the change is probably going every where.

Unprovable. ( unable to be demonstrated by evidence or argument as true or existing. )

[John Mercier]

So you think they are shooting for being unhappy?

Interesting concept.

[Tofu]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

So you think they are shooting for being unhappy?

Interesting concept.

There is only one person on here that would say that. Just Unbelievable.

[John Mercier]

It is a logical outcome from your response.

DoorDash is unprofitable. That is provable. GrubHub is seeing a revenue decline that is provable.

So the only part of the statement is that is in question would be that they are going for happiness.

Since you refute that as unprovable... then the opposite must be what you are suggesting.

[Tofu]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

It is a logical outcome from your response.

DoorDash is unprofitable. That is provable. GrubHub is seeing a revenue decline that is provable.

So the only part of the statement is that is in question would be that they are going for happiness.

Since you refute that as unprovable... then the opposite must be what you are suggesting.

You ASSUME quiet a bit on here quite often..... Who will GTLW ?

[John Mercier]

No assumption.
It is a dichotomy.

If not one, then the other.

[TomC]

I wonder how my bookmark got changed from winnipesaukee.com/forums/ to whatthehellaretheyarguingabout.com/forums?

[Descant]

Originally Posted by TomC

I wonder how my bookmark got changed from winnipesaukee.com/forums/ to whatthehellaretheyarguingabout.com/forums?

You must have missed post #58. GTLW

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by TomC

I wonder how my bookmark got changed from winnipesaukee.com/forums/ to whatthehellaretheyarguingabout.com/forums?

You can easily block him if his posts annoy you that much. I've blocked a few!
It can keep you from getting into the back and forth, pissing match.

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by Tofu

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You ASSUME quiet a bit on here quite often..... Who will GTLW ?

JM will get the last word, that is his MO.

[garysanfran]

In the past, when comparing food prices here to San Francisco, there has been a substantial difference. With the exception of 2lb+ lobsters, ($25.95lb. in SF; $13.95 lb. at Sal's), the general prices, although still less here, have surprised me as to the increases.

[bigdog]

Originally Posted by Biggd

A very good friend of mine just had a triple bypass 6 months ago, he also has diabetes and Parkinsons and his wife has health issues also. They told us at dinner a few weeks ago that they spend $2800 a month on drugs, He turns 72 tomorrow and his wife just turned 68. Their Medicare supplement costs them $286 per month.

I had a quadruple bypass 2 yrs ago, in hospital 1 week. Total bill was $425k.
Insurance company (Harvard Pilgrim), paid all but $1,000, I couldn't write my check out fast enough ! Now on 1 lifetime high colesterol med, just to keep that in check, but with my new insurance company (United Heath Care), I pay zero for that prescription. Blessed beyond my expectations!
Sorry, I hijacked thread but wanted to share medical costs etc....

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by bigdog

I had a quadruple bypass 2 yrs ago, in hospital 1 week. Total bill was $425k.
Insurance company (Harvard Pilgrim), paid all but $1,000, I couldn't write my check out fast enough ! Now on 1 lifetime high colesterol med, just to keep that in check, but with my new insurance company (United Heath Care), I pay zero for that prescription. Blessed beyond my expectations!
Sorry, I hijacked thread but wanted to share medical costs etc....

Consider it, "food for thought".

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Garcia

Two things are striking - health care and housing costs. Both, for whatever reason, take up a significantly larger percent of my salary than my parents' salary. And, over the past 30 years or so, both property tax and health care costs have grown at a higher rate than my salary. Same is true of cars. My first good, dependable used car back in the mid 80's cost less of a percentage of my part time job than what my kids are looking at today.

That said, health care covers more, cars have more safety features and computerized components, and houses have grown in size.

Housing is a killer for those in their 20s/30s today, and it's a great illustration of how "a rising tide does not lift all boats". We have bid up the cost of a very limited resource--the most attractive land--based on what we can afford. Too bad for our kids...